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 Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 6:16 am Post subject: Zenith-List WHAT A SHAME |
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THE SUBJECTS, FOR THE MOST PART, THAT ARE DISCUSED ON THIS LIST ARE RIDICULOUS. THIS LIST , IN THE PAST USED TO BE A GREAT SOURCE OF INFORMATION. NOW IT IS FOR THE MOST PART A WASTE OF TIME.
ASKING SOME ONE ON THIS LIST A TECHNICAL QUESTION IS LIKE ASKING A 1ST GRADER HOW TO DO CALCULUS. HOW IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU KNOW IF THE ANSWER YOU GOT BACK WAS ACCURATE, OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD GET YOU KILLED.
IF YOU INTEND TO BUILD A SAFE AIRPLANE, THERE ARE ONLY A FEW PLACES YOU SHOULD GO FOR TECHNICAL ANSWERS.
ZENITH
FAA {LOTS OF INFO HERE}
OEM
HINTS ON HOW TO GET A PARTICULAR JOB DONE ARE GREAT. WOULD IT NOT BE GREAT IF THIS LIST BECAME A GOOD SOURCE ON HOW TO BUILD ZENITH AIRCRAFT? IT USED TO BE.
CHARLES
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1. 06:21 AM - Re: Meeting LSA Criteria (601corvair)
2. 06:40 AM - Damper? (Tony Bonsell)
3. 06:49 AM - Re: Re: Hinged VS Hingless ailerons (flutter & accidents)
(Juan Vega)
4. 06:58 AM - Re: Damper? (ashontz)
5. 07:12 AM - Re: Re: Hinged VS Hingless ailerons (flutter & accidents)
(steve)
6. 07:40 AM - Re: Damper? (Al Hays)
7. 08:03 AM - Re: Damper? (ashontz)
8. 08:20 AM - Aileron balance (Jaybannist(at)cs.com)
9. 08:43 AM - Re: Aileron balance (TxDave)
10. 08:52 AM - Re: Damper? (Gig Giacona)
11. 08:58 AM - Re: Damper? (ashontz)
12. 09:20 AM - Re: Aileron balance (William Dominguez)
13. 09:32 AM - Re: Re: Damper? (Al Hays)
14. 09:40 AM - Re: Damper? (ashontz)
15. 09:41 AM - Re: Re: Aileron balance (Jaybannist(at)cs.com)
16. 10:26 AM - Re: Aileron balance (Phil Maxson)
17. 10:34 AM - Re: Re: Aileron balance (Juan Vega)
18. 10:41 AM - Aileron Balance (Roberto Brito)
19. 10:44 AM - Re: Re: Aileron balance (Jay Maynard)
20. 11:09 AM - Re: Aileron balance (ashontz)
21. 11:37 AM - Re: Damper? (Gig Giac ona) < BR>> 22. 11:39 AM - Re: Damper? (ashontz)
23. 11:42 AM - Re: Aileron balance (Gig Giacona)
24. 11:54 AM - Re: Aileron balance (Gig Giacona)
25. 12:01 PM - Re: Aileron balance (William Dominguez)
26. 12:15 PM - Re: Re: Aileron balance (Jaybannist(at)cs.com)
27. 01:03 PM - Re: Aileron balance (William Dominguez)
28. 01:12 PM - Insurance coverage? (LarryMcFarland)
29. 01:46 PM - Re: Re: Aileron balance (Kevin Bonds)
30. 01:58 PM - Re: Insurance coverage? (Gig Giacona)
31. 02:08 PM - Re: Re: Aileron balance (Jaybannist(at)cs.com)
32. 02:37 PM - Re: Insurance coverage? (george may)
33. 03:03 PM - Re: Insurance coverage? (Gig Giacona)
34. 03:57 PM - Re: Re: Aileron balance (Juan Vega)
35. 03:57 PM - Re: Re: Aileron balance (Juan Vega)
36. 04:03 PM - Re: Insurance coverage? (Juan Vega)
37. 04:21 PM - Re: Re: Aileron balance (steve)
38. 04:24 PM - Re: Re: Aileron balance (Jay Maynard)
39. 04:30 PM - Re: Re: Aileron balance (Juan Vega)
40. 04:32 PM - Re: Re: Aileron balance (Jay Maynard)
41. 05:44 PM - food for thought for those overly concerned (Juan Vega)
42. 05:47 PM - to the question what is flutter and Why it is not an issue in
XL when flown properly (Juan Vega)
43. 05:57 PM - Re: Damper? (Ron Lendon)
44. 06:08 PM - Re: Re: Damper? (steve)
45. 06:27 PM - Re: Aileron balance (William Dominguez)
46. 06:29 PM - Re: Re: Damper? (LarryMcFarland)
47. 07:05 PM - Re: Aileron balance (William Dominguez)
48. 09:42 PM - Re: Meeting LSA Criteria (Paul Mulwitz)
________________________________ Message 1
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Time: 06:21:08 AM PST US
From: 601corvair
Subject: RE: Meeting LSA Crit eria < BR>>
I believe what Jay wrote below is correct. It is my understanding that, in
the
USA, any homebuilt aircraft registered after Jan 2008, must be registered an
E-AB. These Aircraft can be modified by the builder with the repair
certificate,
or
anyone and signed off by an A&P, if the proper forms ( I think the 336 form),
are
filed to the FAA. The FAA may requires more testing etc. But, so long as the
noncertificated aircraft conforms to the SP rules, it can be flown under the SP
airman rating. There is lots of leeway to be legal with E-AB aircraft under
the
SP
rule. With factory built certificated light sport aircraft, even if it is
identical
to a kit
built version, which could be rented to the public and/or used in a flight
school
the
rules are tighter and the restrictions on maintenance are great er. Some of
this
confusion arises because some older certificated aircraft meet the SP airmans
restriction and because the FAA wanted to allow some grandfathering of
aircraft.
But, that ship has sailed and I believe any homebuilder still building will
end
up
in the E-AB and if it meets SP privileges it can be flown as such. If not, it
could
be modified to meet them, the forms filed, approved, and then flown under the
SP
rating. I could be wrong on this and would like to be enlightened. If I am,
as
Gilda Radner used to say OH, well never mind
Subject: RE: Meeting LSA Criteria
From: Jaybannist(at)cs.com
Date: Tue May 13 - 7:04 PM
Jeff,
A Sport Pilot can only fly an LSA, but the 601XL, registered E-AB, also
qualifies
as an LSA. Theref ore, a Sport Pilot can fly Phase I in an XL.
Jay in Dallas
"Jeff " wrote:
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>There are further considerations for instrument markings, etc., but here
is
>a question for you: May a Sport Pilot fly off Phase I of an AB
Experimental
>?
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>Jeff D.
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Time: 06:40:29 AM PST US
From: Tony Bonsell
Subject: Damper?
Hi guys, I have a stupid question.
Back in the day, I used to ride motorcycles. Anyway, on a
particularily nasty kawi triple, it had a steering damper to minimize
the terrifying speed wobble that would try and kill you from time to
&g t; time. It looked like a tiny shock absorber.
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How come they don't use these to damp out flutter in control surfaces?
________________________________ Message 3
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Time: 06:49:01 AM PST US
From: Juan Vega
Subject: Re: Re: Hinged VS Hingless ailerons (flutter & accidents)
the gap seal will not work on a zenith design due to the gap being 2 inches.
that
gap act as a balance to assist the aileron in movement. a gap seal may woork
on top of the aileron but the speed will be negligable.
JUan
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 6:41 am Post subject: Zenith-List WHAT A SHAME |
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On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 02:13:12PM +0000, cleonard52(at)comcast.net wrote:
| Quote: | HINTS ON HOW TO GET A PARTICULAR JOB DONE ARE GREAT. WOULD IT NOT BE GREAT
IF THIS LIST BECAME A GOOD SOURCE ON HOW TO BUILD ZENITH AIRCRAFT? IT USED
TO BE.
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Please don't shout.
My hope is that this list would be useful to folks in all phases of owning a
Zenith aircraft, be they builders, pilots, or mechanics (or, as usual, some
combination of the three).
However, until we find an answer as to the reason for what everyone agrees
is an unusual rash of fatal accidents, that subject will continue to take up
a lot of list bandwidth - in *whatever* forum the aircraft are discussed.
This is simple human nature: we're all concerned about something that's,
quite frankly, killing Zodiac pilots.
We're not going to stick our collective heads in the sand. We also don't
know everything, and asking questions is quite natural.
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Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)
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William Dominguez
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:36 am Post subject: Re: Zenith-List WHAT A SHAME |
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What is really a shame with this list is that some of its members don't know how to disagree civilly.
William
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THE SUBJECTS, FOR THE MOST PART, THAT ARE DISCUSED ON THIS LIST ARE RIDICULOUS. THIS LIST , IN THE PAST USED TO BE A GREAT SOURCE OF INFORMATION. NOW IT IS FOR THE MOST PART A WASTE OF TIME.
ASKING SOME ONE ON THIS LIST A TECHNICAL QUESTION IS LIKE ASKING A 1ST GRADER HOW TO DO CALCULUS. HOW IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU KNOW IF THE ANSWER YOU GOT BACK WAS ACCURATE, OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD GET YOU KILLED.
IF YOU INTEND TO BUILD A SAFE AIRPLANE, THERE ARE ONLY A FEW PLACES YOU SHOULD GO FOR TECHNICAL ANSWERS.
ZENITH
FAA {LOTS OF INFO HERE}
OEM
HINTS ON HOW TO GET A PARTICULAR JOB DONE ARE GREAT. WOULD IT NOT BE GREAT IF THIS LIST BECAME A GOOD SOURCE ON HOW TO BUILD ZENITH AIRCRAFT? IT USED TO BE.
CHARLES
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