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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:28 pm    Post subject: OT - Explain This Reply with quote

Can anybody explain why I can put diesel in my truck at the gas station for $4.80/gal and can put JetA in my plane (assuming I have a turbine) for $4.57?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:44 pm    Post subject: OT - Explain This Reply with quote

I wish fuel for either was that cheap here, mind you would not want to live in the UK with there prices double what ours are here in Aus

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:02 pm    Post subject: OT - Explain This Reply with quote

Simple....taxes!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:29 pm    Post subject: OT - Explain This Reply with quote

Road use tax. Just about the difference between the two. I just put
diesel in my VW at the nearest truck stop...$4.59. However, just drove
from NJ to AZ, and saw some places with diesel over $5. It has to be
killing both the truckers and the airlines, with prices about double
what they paid 12 months ago.

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Can anybody explain why I can put diesel in my truck at the gas station for
$4.80/gal and can put JetA in my plane (assuming I have a turbine) for
$4.57?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:56 pm    Post subject: OT - Explain This Reply with quote

MOre importantly, the airlines are paying $3.47 a gallon for jet A. Yah, Yah, bulk volume discounts. What else????

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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 18:22:38 -0400

Can anybody explain why I can put diesel in my truck at the gas station for $4.80/gal and can put JetA in my plane (assuming I have a turbine) for $4.57?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:22 pm    Post subject: OT - Explain This Reply with quote

Well Jesse, I might be able to explane. The gas stations pump a lot of Gas, and have limited storage. The price should only change, when the tanks are filled. The tankers can only carry 8,000 gallons a load. With todays frequent fluctuation's, and high volume sales, that means every few days, and in some cases every day, they receive a tanker load, and are subject to price change, up or down.
Now, back to airports, they sometimes have as much as half a million gallon storage tanks, filled by barge, rail car, or pipeline. They fill their tanks less frequently, so prices can be slower to change.
When you buy a load of fuel, as a dealer, you pay before the driver drops his load in your tanks. Sometimes, an FBO will raise his price, before his next load, just because he can.
It's a free market system, you can charge whatever you want.
I hope I didn't ramble to much, does this makes sense?
Former FBO
Sam Marlow
RV10/ #40157

Jesse Saint wrote: [quote]Can anybody explain why I can put diesel in my truck at the gas station for $4.80/gal and can put JetA in my plane (assuming I have a turbine) for $4.57?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:50 pm    Post subject: OT - Explain This Reply with quote

The corner gas station situation is more complicated than limited storage. In most brand name locations (I have very close ties to two Shell stations) the station owners have zero say in fuel deliveries. All the handling, receipt of payments, taxes, delivery schedules are handled by Shell. If the owner thinks fuel is going to go up they cannot request additional fuel. The Shell truck shows up when Shell decides to fuel them. Corporate is tied electronically into the individual storage tanks and often the fueling truck shows up with less than a 2 hour supply left in the tanks. Then they fill up the tanks � of capacity. >From my point of view the station owner gets the short end of the stick at every turn. Recently they had back to back $0.10 increases, up $0.20 in 2 days followed by a $0.27 increase in diesel in one day. Diesel is well into the mid $5.00’s in CA.
The rule of thumb in gas station/convenience store ownership is you sell the gas at no profit to entice the motorist into buy the cigarettes. You sell the cigarettes at cost to drive beer sales. And you sell beer as a loss leader to get people in to buy fuel.
Expect many gas stations to close in the next 5 years.
I also have a connection with a 400+ station owner consortium that is involved in a class action suit claiming unfair business practices. Example the fuel distributor also owns many of the stations in the area. Guess who gets the lowest price fuel first and has advanced notice of fuel price changes?

Robin
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 5:18 PM
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Well Jesse, I might be able to explane. The gas stations pump a lot of Gas, and have limited storage. The price should only change, when the tanks are filled. The tankers can only carry 8,000 gallons a load. With todays frequent fluctuation's, and high volume sales, that means every few days, and in some cases every day, they receive a tanker load, and are subject to price change, up or down.
Now, back to airports, they sometimes have as much as half a million gallon storage tanks, filled by barge, rail car, or pipeline. They fill their tanks less frequently, so prices can be slower to change.
When you buy a load of fuel, as a dealer, you pay before the driver drops his load in your tanks. Sometimes, an FBO will raise his price, before his next load, just because he can.
It's a free market system, you can charge whatever you want.
I hope I didn't ramble to much, does this makes sense?
Former FBO
Sam Marlow
RV10/ #40157

Jesse Saint wrote:
Can anybody explain why I can put diesel in my truck at the gas station for $4.80/gal and can put JetA in my plane (assuming I have a turbine) for $4.57?


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:30 pm    Post subject: OT - Explain This Reply with quote

Yes but look at the big picture why is oil going up "Futures" (stock market) some insignificant problem and the futures boys go off. Look at Bloomberg. The Iranian Preident basically said there is no supply problem its the Futures wankers in the States that are driveing the price up.
Yes he might be a wolly and right or wrong Oil has dropped about $6 barrel in the last couple of days.
I dont know a bloke just wants to fly his plane !

Simplistic view I know but the corner petrol station can do nothing about the 100% increase in fuel prices. Maybe a few cents or pennys

regards Chris

Still waiting on Dynon to be returned for first flight ( hoping to give the government more fuel taxes soon)

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 4:03 am    Post subject: OT - Explain This Reply with quote

Explanations abound for the small stuff, loss leaders ,distributors margins, futures markets, etc. The main reason for the price of oil and gasoline is the restrictions on supply created by Congress and the value of the dollar as determined by Congress. When Congress makes laws that encourage lawsuits to prevent nuclear power,oil drilling, pipelines and refineries; supply is restricted. When Congress spends like drunken sailors (my apologies to the responsible ones) the value of the US currency declines. The oil suppliers have just about al the green paper they need; their vaults are already full. When one is at war (economic or otherwise) building weapons is required Talking a good game will get you killed. Congress has been "jawboning" too long. Its about time to release market forces by getting rid of the restrictive laws that produce stalemates on even proposals to build any weapons (economic ). We need to win this economic war but the only place Congress has declared war is on the American consumer..

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Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:25 PM
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Yes but look at the big picture why is oil going up "Futures" (stock market) some insignificant problem and the futures boys go off. Look at Bloomberg. The Iranian Preident basically said there is no supply problem its the Futures wankers in the States that are driveing the price up.
Yes he might be a wolly and right or wrong Oil has dropped about $6 barrel in the last couple of days.
I dont know a bloke just wants to fly his plane !

Simplistic view I know but the corner petrol station can do nothing about the 100% increase in fuel prices. Maybe a few cents or pennys

regards Chris

Still waiting on Dynon to be returned for first flight ( hoping to give the government more fuel taxes soon)

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:09 am    Post subject: OT - Explain This Reply with quote

My simple explanation is a bit dated, 70's experience. I agree, were all
pawns, in a world game!
Now, back to RV10 stuff........did anyone perfect a rudder trim system?

David McNeill wrote:
[quote] Explanations abound for the small stuff, loss leaders ,distributors
margins, futures markets, etc. The main reason for the price of oil
and gasoline is the restrictions on supply created by Congress and the
value of the dollar as determined by Congress. When Congress makes
laws that encourage lawsuits to prevent nuclear power,oil drilling,
pipelines and refineries; supply is restricted. When Congress spends
like drunken sailors (my apologies to the responsible ones) the value
of the US currency declines. The oil suppliers have just about al the
green paper they need; their vaults are already full. When one is at
war (economic or otherwise) building weapons is required Talking a
good game will get you killed. Congress has been "jawboning" too long.
Its about time to release market forces by getting rid of the
restrictive laws that produce stalemates on even proposals to build
any weapons (economic ). We need to win this economic war but the only
place Congress has declared war is on the American consumer..

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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris and
Susie McGough
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:25 PM
*To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* Re: OT - Explain This

Yes but look at the big picture why is oil going up "Futures" (stock
market) some insignificant problem and the futures boys go off. Look
at Bloomberg. The Iranian Preident basically said there is no supply
problem its the Futures wankers in the States that are driveing the
price up.
Yes he might be a wolly and right or wrong Oil has dropped about $6
barrel in the last couple of days.
I dont know a bloke just wants to fly his plane !
Simplistic view I know but the corner petrol station can do nothing
about the 100% increase in fuel prices. Maybe a few cents or pennys
regards Chris
Still waiting on Dynon to be returned for first flight ( hoping to
give the government more fuel taxes soon)

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:53 am    Post subject: OT - Explain This Reply with quote

Sam wrote:
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My simple explanation is a bit dated, 70's experience. I agree, were
all pawns, in a world game!
Now, back to RV10 stuff........did anyone perfect a rudder trim system?
The subject seems to have died, doesn't it??? I'm still working on my

'closed loop' rudder cable system. Well, that's not true. Other
projects have been consuming my time. Once the closed loop system is
complete, I envision a vernier control attached to springs on one of the
rudder cables to bias the rudder. We'll see!!!
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