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rlowe(at)speedway.ca
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 8:11 am Post subject: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty

Everyone,



Has anyone been able to source Araldite 420 and Araldite 2102 (rapid epoxy) in the US or Canada? If you have, can you forward me their contact information. 



The stuff from my partially completed kit that I have purchased has expired. The stuff I believe is classified as hazardous material for shipping and I'm in Canada so I'll need to find out if the vendor can ship it here too.



OR



Is there an "approved" alternative that can be used that is readily available in US or Canada?



Thanks,



Roger Lowe

A252

Visit -  www.EuropaOwners.org

budyerly(at)msn.com
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 10:18 am Post subject: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->   Roger, and other Europa Builders in need of Redux also known as Araldite  420 or Epibond 420 A/B.  

  

 I order Redux in cases direct through my long time distributor  TAPE.  As there is no other acceptable substitute for Redux, for the  Europa and as a result I am still buying it in bulk and shipping  it.  I have looked for substitutes, and many epoxies are as strong, but  none as ductile or willing to be used in aircraft.

  

 I have been informed by my US distributor of Epibond 420 A/B (Redux) that  the manufacturer, Huntsman Products in California, has restructured their  pricing and packaging.   I have been in contact with my distributor  and Huntsman over the last four months trying to resolve the issue.   Gladly, Huntsman has at least changed their policy and have agreed to  distribute Epibond 420 in 6 quart cases again.  Unfortunately,  Huntsman has nearly doubled the price per case with no  significant bulk discounts available for multiple  cases.    I've researched importing fresh Redux from  overseas and it is slightly more costly due to the weak dollar and high  shipping/hazardous fees.

  

 If I order soon, and I can still combine with other  distributors I can get 6 quarts for about $280 a quart plus shipping  to you (typically $20).  Yes, I know that is $120 more than last  year.  Airbus is the primary user so if anyone knows someone at Airbus that  can steal you some and smuggle it into the states, we are stuck with some pretty  ugly prices.  

  

 Delivery is 30-45 days to me so it will all be a fresh batch.  Shelf  life is a year opened or unopened but usually good for at least two if  unopened.

  

 I have tentative orders for 2-3 quarts so far.  I need three  others.

  

 Bud Yerly

 Custom Flight Creations

 Europa Distributor 

 Cell 813-244-8354



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craigb(at)onthenet.com.au
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 12:58 pm Post subject: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty

I dont know about your expiry times Bud, Are  you sure they are sending you new batches.

 Like you I am forced to buy the  six quart cases and the last one I got, 

 new from the australian distributor in september 07 and it is  quoting an expiry of june 2010

 price was much the same $1280 a case of  6

  

 craig

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budyerly(at)msn.com
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 3:22 pm Post subject: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  Craig...

 Once open a year.  The Huntsman product paperwork I have says 1 year,  but I use it up to 3 if closed and stored properly.  The problem is with  the hardener.  It makes a slime top if not properly stored, even  unopened.

 We are held hostage by Huntsman over here.

 Woe are we.

  

 Bud

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hagargs(at)earthlink.net
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 4:25 pm Post subject: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty

I and others have mentioned this before on this site about expiration dates on the Redux.  Alot of  that is due to how long they want to keep records and liability.  If you are concerned about the suitability of the material concerning its expriation date make a test coupon.  Make a lap sample of the thickness or number of plies of fiberglass etc that you are  anticipating to bond in service and do a destructive test.  If the fibereglass breaks or tears before the  bond separates you can reasonably be assured your material is still good.

  

 Steve Hagar

 A143

 Mesa AZ

  

 

  

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craigb(at)onthenet.com.au
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 5:39 pm Post subject: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty

Yes i did that with mine, but the joints i  did all came apart by hand. Dont know but i think that qualifies as a FAIL  

 I just use it for fixing bits around the  house now, plenty for that

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topglock(at)cox.net
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Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 8:14 am Post subject: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty

That's exactly what I did, Steve, and the material gave way, before the 

Redux did.  My Redux was about 5 years old, when tested.  Baby Blue 

shows no signs of weak joints in 400 hours and she was built with this 

glue...



Jeff



Steve Hagar wrote:

[quote] I and others have mentioned this before on this site about expiration 

 dates on the Redux.  Alot of  that is due to how long they want to keep 

 records and liability.  If you are concerned about the suitability of 

 the material concerning its expriation date make a test coupon.  Make a 

 lap sample of the thickness or number of plies of fiberglass etc that 

 you are  anticipating to bond in service and do a destructive test.  If 

 the fibereglass breaks or tears before the  bond separates you can 

 reasonably be assured your material is still good.

  

 Steve Hagar

 A143

 Mesa AZ

  

  

 

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rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.n
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Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 1:12 pm Post subject: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty

Hi Jeff



"> That's exactly what I did, Steve, and the material gave way, before the



 	  Quote: 	
		   Redux did.  My Redux was about 5 years old, when tested.  Baby Blue 

 shows no signs of weak joints in 400 hours and she was built with this 

 glue..."


	


I could be wrong, but did you not speak of using another type of adhesive

to stick together your Europa? Perhaps it was only the wing panels or fuse

halves? I think you also mentioned that you reinforced either the wing

panels and or fuse seams with perhaps 2 BID?



Perhaps it was Aeropoxy structural adhesive??



Ron Parigoris

jrgowing(at)bigpond.net.a
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Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 12:16 am Post subject: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty

Craig

I have been using the A420 I got with the kit in about 1966 and believe the conponents are long lasting - but now that you have spoken I will run at test before next use.

JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 NSW in Oz

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gregoryf.flyboy(at)comcas
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Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 2:20 am Post subject: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty

Wow, that was quite awhile ago. It sure WOULD have to be long lasting. I believe that was one year before I was born, or before we landed on the moon. I wouldn’t want to date my age and say its OLD per se, but might be too old for Europa work J     

   

Greg Fuchs (A050)  

   

do not archive  

         

  

From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of JR Gowing

 Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 1:13 AM

 To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty  

  

     

Craig  

    

I have been using the A420 I got with the kit in about 1966 and believe the conponents are long lasting - but now that you have spoken I will run at test before next use.  

    

JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 NSW in Oz  

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carl(at)flyers.freeserve.
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Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 3:30 am Post subject: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty

I have a batch of Redux with an expiry date 1998 (so about  12 yrs old). 

  

 Not sure why I keep it but do test samples from time to  time and apart from the emerald green now being more of a grey green it  sets as hard as ever. The mix goes off just fine with no sticky residue. Using a  hammer to separate the bond always ends up with the components breaking rather  than the Redux. 

  

 Probably OK as a general adhesive but wouldnt risk it  on anything structural.

  

 If you had an out of date batch and only needed a couple  of small jobs needing Redux it might be worth speaking with Europa. On the non  structural bonds (eg: bedding in bolt heads) flox/ resin is often an  acceptable substitute but check with Europa first.

  

 Its a pity the factory cant supply smaller quantities for  repair purposes. Maybe something the Europa club would be willing to look at. It  would be possible to split a 2kg tin into 200 or 500 g batches.

  

 Just a thought.

  

 Carl Pattinson

  

  

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carl(at)flyers.freeserve.
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Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 3:37 am Post subject: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty

I just checked and the packs are 1.4kg, not 2kg as I  believed.

  

 In the UK these are available for £80 including tax and  shipping. Split into 200g batches would work out at £12 each plus  postage.

  

 OK, I know that posting is a no no due to them being  classed as hazardous chemicals but small batches properly packaged shouldnt be a  problem.

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topglock(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 8:15 am Post subject: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty

Ron,

You have an excellent memory.  When my Redux played out, I finished the 

job (wings) with Aeropoxy 6228, mixed with a little flox, then 

reinforced with a couple of layers of bid, as I did on the fuse joint, 

which was a Redux joint.  Absolutely no problems with any of the joints. 

  The point I was getting to was that, in all joints, using out of date 

Redux, there have been no problems.  I believe the expiry, to a point, 

is a lawyer thing... 

Sorry for any confusion...

Jeff - Baby Blue

rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Hi Jeff

 "> That's exactly what I did, Steve, and the material gave way, before the

> Redux did.  My Redux was about 5 years old, when tested.  Baby Blue 

> shows no signs of weak joints in 400 hours and she was built with this 

> glue..."

 I could be wrong, but did you not speak of using another type of adhesive

 to stick together your Europa? Perhaps it was only the wing panels or fuse

 halves? I think you also mentioned that you reinforced either the wing

 panels and or fuse seams with perhaps 2 BID?

 Perhaps it was Aeropoxy structural adhesive??

 Ron Parigoris

craigb(at)onthenet.com.au
Guest

Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 12:53 am Post subject: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty

In most countries a quantity of that size  would probably fall into an exemption packing group

 the same as most hair care products, a lot  of which are corrosive or oxidizing agents also, but arent

 considered hazardous because of the small  amounts involved

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bdanbish(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 7:32 am Post subject: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty

Hi Bud,



If it's not too late, you can put me down for a quart. Let me know where to send payment or call me and we can arrange a credit card, etc. 520-360-9747 is my cell #. Shipment will be to Arizona.



Thanks,



Dan

Visit -  www.EuropaOwners.org

budyerly(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 8:11 am Post subject: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  OK Dan,

 Once I get shipment notification I will get shipping address info.

 Bud

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budyerly(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:42 pm Post subject: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  Craig,

 All my epoxy is freshly made.  Huntsman will not make a shipment  unless it is all fresh.  From the manufacturer supplied product data  sheets, Araldite 420 is three years using the unopened containers  supplied.  Epibond, which is in metal cans, has only been tested to one  year for storage and that is what the data sheet says from Huntsman.  Maybe  your containers are different down under.  Yes the metal cans lasts  longer just like the Araldite, but I have to go by the product data sheet  supplied.  It is the container of the hardener that makes the difference  from what I see.  Once opened, it is hard to get a good seal on the  cans.  I transfer my hardener to a small neck glass bottle with a tight  metal cap and have no problems.  It doesn't even get a scum layer.   The resin is never a problem.

  

 I am working with Europa about a substitute of Hysol 9309.3NA.  Don’t  look for a huge price difference though.

  

 Bud

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