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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:25 pm Post subject: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA

Are any Kitfoxers going to Virginia this weekend? I hesitate to say  

I'm going, because it seems like every time I plan to go south, the  

weather gets in the way. I'll just say I'm leaving here Thursday  

morning, with no particular destination in mind, and maybe Mother  

Nature won't guess where to throw the screwed up weather.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster

Jabiru 2200

Status: flying w/528 hrs

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Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

Sbennett3(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 4:42 pm Post subject: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA

Lynn, I was looking for a place to go this weekend. Thanks for  the suggestion. Are you just flying in for the day or staying the weekend? Not  as far for me, It's only 134 miles for me.

 Virginia Regional Festival  Of Flight   Steve Bennett   Durham NC.  Classic 4-1200 912ul.



Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008.

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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:27 pm Post subject: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA

I'm planning on the weekend at Suffolk, then the Wright Bros  

Memorial, then a visit to Fayetteville, NC, then home...almost a  

duplicate of what you guys did last year that I got screwed out of  

because of the flu or something. I was also thinking of Campbell  

Field, too, but not sure if that will fit in, except for a quick hop  

over and back. I've been watching the Weather Channel, and it doesn't  

look great, but it might work out.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster

Jabiru 2200

Status: flying w/528 hrs





On Jun 10, 2008, at 8:41 PM, Sbennett3(at)aol.com wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Lynn, I was looking for a place to go this weekend. Thanks for the  

 suggestion. Are you just flying in for the day or staying the  

 weekend? Not as far for me, It's only 134 miles for me.

 Virginia Regional Festival Of Flight   Steve Bennett   Durham NC.  

 Classic 4-1200 912ul.



 Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008.

 www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _- 

 www.matronics.com/contribution _- 

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Lynn
Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

l.morris(at)tx.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:55 am Post subject: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA

I find the weather channel to be wrong about 90% of the time,at least here in TX   Leon Morris/classic 4/65%/ Flower Mound,TX

---- Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net> wrote: 

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 I'm planning on the weekend at Suffolk, then the Wright Bros  

 Memorial, then a visit to Fayetteville, NC, then home...almost a  

 duplicate of what you guys did last year that I got screwed out of  

 because of the flu or something. I was also thinking of Campbell  

 Field, too, but not sure if that will fit in, except for a quick hop  

 over and back. I've been watching the Weather Channel, and it doesn't  

 look great, but it might work out.

 

 Lynn Matteson

 Kitfox IV Speedster

 Jabiru 2200

 Status: flying w/528 hrs

 

 

 

 

 On Jun 10, 2008, at 8:41 PM, Sbennett3(at)aol.com wrote:

 

 > Lynn, I was looking for a place to go this weekend. Thanks for the  

 > suggestion. Are you just flying in for the day or staying the  

 > weekend? Not as far for me, It's only 134 miles for me.

 > Virginia Regional Festival Of Flight   Steve Bennett   Durham NC.  

 > Classic 4-1200 912ul.

 >

 >

 >

 > Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008.

 > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _- 

 > www.matronics.com/contribution _- 

 > ============================================================

Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:42 pm Post subject: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA

Well, it wasn't weather this time or getting the flu that is going to  

keep me from heading south, but a "stupid pet trick." I was doing a  

compression/leak-down test today, and my buddy was holding the prop,  

and I told him to let it go, but get his body and hands out of the  

way, and he got all but one hand out of the way, and it bit him when  

the other blade came around. The two of us both made a mistake....me  

for wanting him to see how the blade would snap around when released,  

and him for not being aware of the other blade coming around. It cut  

his hand for about a 1-1/2" gash, and stung pretty good, and put a  

dent and crack in my prop. So once again, fate has put the damper on  

another trip for me, and for him, unless he decides to go anyway. I  

feel real bad for him, because he's wanted to get away from here for  

so long, and now he may not go after all. The injury wouldn't keep  

him here, but just having this happen is such a bummer. The dumb part  

of it is I had the leak-down test all done, but when he drove up, I  

wanted him to see how the test is done, so I had him hold the prop to  

see how much effort it took to do so....bad decision on my part.

I gotta tell ya, this is the 4th planned trip that has been plagued  

by either weather or my health, or stupidity.

By the way, is anybody running a Prince P-tip prop?  Sensenich said  

they are 10 weeks away from being able to supply me with a  

replacement, and I've got a call into Prince. Don't bother suggesting  

Ivo, Warp, or anything but a two-bladed wood prop, as Jabiru is fussy  

about what is hung out there. If you're running a Prince two-bladed  

prop, wood or wood/composite, I'd like to hear about it...thanks.

Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster

Jabiru 2200

Status: flying w/528 hrs

On Jun 10, 2008, at 10:24 PM, Lynn Matteson wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 I'm planning on the weekend at Suffolk, then the Wright Bros  

 Memorial, then a visit to Fayetteville, NC, then home...almost a  

 duplicate of what you guys did last year that I got screwed out of  

 because of the flu or something. I was also thinking of Campbell  

 Field, too, but not sure if that will fit in, except for a quick  

 hop over and back. I've been watching the Weather Channel, and it  

 doesn't look great, but it might work out.

 Lynn Matteson

 Kitfox IV Speedster

 Jabiru 2200

 Status: flying w/528 hrs

 On Jun 10, 2008, at 8:41 PM, Sbennett3(at)aol.com wrote:

> Lynn, I was looking for a place to go this weekend. Thanks for the  

> suggestion. Are you just flying in for the day or staying the  

> weekend? Not as far for me, It's only 134 miles for me.

> Virginia Regional Festival Of Flight   Steve Bennett   Durham NC.  

> Classic 4-1200 912ul.

>

> Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008.

> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _-www.matronics.com/ 

> contribution _- 

> ============================================================

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Lynn
Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

Michael Logan

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 82

Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:11 pm Post subject: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA

Gordon Campbell is heading up the Festival of Flight at Suffolk so I am not

sure anything will be happening there this weekend.  He might have

everything up and running the following weekend.



Mike 



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Fredericksburg, VA

Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:54 pm Post subject: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA

Huh?

Who is Gordon Campbell, and what does he have to do with Suffolk or ?

Your message is not clear...at least to me, maybe others understand,  

but not me. Does he have something to do with the Wright Bros, or  

with Campbell Field....OH, maybe that's it!



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster

Jabiru 2200

Status: flying w/528 hrs





On Jun 11, 2008, at 9:09 PM, Michael Logan wrote:



[quote] 

 <michael.logan(at)cox.net>



 Gordon Campbell is heading up the Festival of Flight at Suffolk so  

 I am not

 sure anything will be happening there this weekend.  He might have

 everything up and running the following weekend.



 Mike



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Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

Glenn Horne

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 96

Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:14 am Post subject: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA

You can be sure things will be happing there this week in. Its my local 

airport and

I'm helping out, so all come on  down. Will be a good week in.

GLENN HORNE

Kitfox Model II

---

patreilly43(at)hotmail.co
Guest

Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:17 am Post subject: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA

Glenn, I towed the Kitfox to the airport (12 miles ) with the towbar bolted together with 1/4" steel gusset plates each side of the 2 piece towbar., No problem. The towbar will remain a 2 piece breakdown towbar .Thanks again.    Do Not Archive

  

 Pat Reilly

 Mod 3 582 Rebuild

 Rockford, IL



[quote] Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:10:50 -0400

 From: glennflys(at)verizon.net

 Subject: Re: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 

 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys(at)verizon.net>

 

 You can be sure things will be happing there this week in. Its my local 

 airport and

 I'm helping out, so all come on down. Will be a good week in.

 GLENN HORNE

 Kitfox Model II

 ---

Glenn Horne

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 96

Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:39 am Post subject: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA

Dam Pat,

 Glad to hear that. That great.

 You coming to our State fly-in this week in?

 Going to be nice. Pilots from all over the State of  Virginia will be there.

 Wish you could make it.

 Glenn

Kitfox Model II

 [quote]   ---

patreilly43(at)hotmail.co
Guest

Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:54 am Post subject: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA

Glenn, No, I don't have a plane that flys or even a license yet. But, by God I have 2 airplanes.

  

 Pat Reilly

 [quote]  Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:36:03 -0400

From: glennflys(at)verizon.net

Subject: Re: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com



   .ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding-right:0px;padding-left:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-top:0px;} .ExternalClass BODY.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;}   Dam Pat,

 Glad to hear that. That great.

 You coming to our State fly-in this week in?

 Going to be nice. Pilots from all over the State of Virginia will be there.

 Wish you could make it.

 Glenn

Kitfox Model II

 [quote] ---

Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:25 pm Post subject: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA

Well, the trip to VA is off, but I did get my prop glued back  

together and flew it today, so I don't have to wait the 10 or 15  

weeks to get a replacement prop. I'm still thinking of the Prince P- 

Tip, and since they are less than an hour from me, I'll have to bop  

on down there and look the place over and get more info on them.



Sure nice to have the ease of repair that a wooden prop allows, and  

the blessing of the FAA (being the builder of the plane) in being  

able to do these repairs...I feel sorry for the spam can guys who  

would have to do the wait,  worry, and pay, before flying again.

Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster

Jabiru 2200

Status: flying w/528 hrs

_________________
Lynn
Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

ruebd(at)skymail.csus.edu
Guest

Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:02 pm Post subject: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA

Lynners:



What the H. happened to your prop?  Did it come un-glued?  Wow that is big medicine to have to fix a prop!



Duanesky



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Michael Logan

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 82

Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:29 pm Post subject: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA

Lynn,



My wife built a Pulsar with a 912 and we put a GSC ground adjustable prop on

it.  A real good friend built the same plane but with the Prince P-Tip prop.

He and I flew down to Sun-n-Fun about six years ago and he would accelerate

away from me on the runway and also fly faster at top end.  The only

difference was the prop, except that he is about 40 pounds heavier than I am

which should make it work out the other way.  Both planes were within 10

pounds of each other.



Mike Logan

Series 5 



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Fredericksburg, VA

Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:36 am Post subject: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA

Duanesky-



I might as well fess up the whole stupid story, as long as you asked.  

I only sent the details to a "lister" who asked, but here's what I  

did, and maybe others will benefit from it. This is what I wrote  

earlier:



***************************



Well, by golly, after thinking it was going on the wall right next to  

a deer head, it might just make it after all. I began by thinking  

that I didn't want to trust a questionable $600 prop on a $13,000  

engine (today's price), but after hearing 10 weeks for Sensenich and  

15 weeks for a new Prince (and $1500), I decided to see if I could  

fix the crack. The cracked piece is about 3/8" wide and 4 1/2" long,  

but still fastened to the rest of the prop. Well, now it's fastened  

even better. I dribbled Super Glue into the crack and held it  

together, then moved further along and glued some more, etc. By the  

time I got to the end of the crack, I could barely flex the joint  

open enough to get more worked into the crack. There was also a dent  

on the edge of the cracked piece. Recalling my wood-working days, I  

sanded the finish off the dented area, and wet it down with water.  

Then I fired up my model airplane covering iron, and ran it over the  

dented area. Lo and behold, the dent almost came totally back to  

level with the rest of the prop. I sanded the cracked area flush, and  

mixed up some Hysol and applied it into what was left of the dent and  

it is hardening in the sun right now. I really think it's going to be  

ok after all...time will tell.



While the glue was setting up, I talked with Lonnie Prince of Prince  

P-Tip Props, and asked about a new prop. This is when I learned about  

the 15 weeks delivery time. For 50% more money they will crank one  

out in 15 days....thanks, but no thanks. He really sounds like a good  

guy, and he even gave me some pointers on fixing the crack, which I  

would have followed if I hadn't already had it stuck back together. I  

only live about 75 miles from his operation, and he said it'd be ok  

to visit and see how they make the props....but he said "wear your  

work clothes."



His props sound like the best of both worlds, as they flex from a  

climb pitch to a cruise pitch as the load on the prop changes. I'm  

awfully tempted to order one of them. He also said that if the prop  

doesn't satisfy me (or anybody), he will re-pitch it, or build a new  

prop, and cost would be only the shipping involved. That's a pretty  

good guarantee in my book.



Part of my motivation in fixing the prop was imagining that I was  

stranded in Alaska, or out in the desert, and having this  

happen....I'd damn well fix it under those circumstances, and fly it  

out of there with caution. As Lonnie concurred, fly it carefully,  

with one hand near the mag switch, just in case the piece let go.  

Actually, the piece is probably so thin and light, that it wouldn't  

cause a radical out-of-balance condition, but would allow for a short  

flight to a favorable landing area.



Lynn

p.s. I probably would not want to trust this prop going over the  

mountains into Virginia, but a few flights around here will prove the  

fix one way or the other.

******************************

So there it is, the whole sordid story, which came out a whole lot  

better than I first expected it to. I was looking at a down time of  

at least 10 weeks, but 24 hours later, all seems to be well. After  

the repair, I flew it from my place and landed a few miles away, then  

took a lap around Michigan International Speedway (at 4000' ) then home.



Just to further explain the crack, it was on the trailing edge, as  

the engine was rotated backwards by the air pressure when he let go  

of the prop. (Don't try this at home) This Sensenich prop has a  

plastic (of some sort) leading edge, and the leading edge wraps  

around the tip, and this edge helped hold the cracked piece onto the  

prop. I don't know why I didn't shoot a picture of the damn thing  

before I repaired it, but I'll post a shot of the repair later.

You know me well enough Duane, to know I'd have to give a repair a  

shot....I've got just enough "shade tree mechanic" in me, and lack of  

better sense than to just sit still for a replacement prop to show  

up. : ) Gotta keep rackin' up those hours if I'm gonna catch you!

Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster

Jabiru 2200

Status: flying w/528 hrs





On Jun 12, 2008, at 5:59 PM, Rueb, Duane wrote:



[quote] 

 <ruebd(at)skymail.csus.edu>



 Lynners:



 What the H. happened to your prop?  Did it come un-glued?  Wow that  

 is big medicine to have to fix a prop!



 Duanesky



 --

_________________
Lynn
Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 5:41 am Post subject: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA

Duanesky-



I might as well fess up the whole stupid story, as long as you asked.  

I only sent the details to a "lister" who asked, but here's what I  

did, and maybe others will benefit from it. This is what I wrote  

earlier:



***************************



Well, by golly, after thinking it was going on the wall right next to  

a deer head, it might just make it after all. I began by thinking  

that I didn't want to trust a questionable $600 prop on a $13,000  

engine (today's price), but after hearing 10 weeks for Sensenich and  

15 weeks for a new Prince (and $1500), I decided to see if I could  

fix the crack. The cracked piece is about 3/8" wide and 4 1/2" long,  

but still fastened to the rest of the prop. Well, now it's fastened  

even better. I dribbled Super Glue into the crack and held it  

together, then moved further along and glued some more, etc. By the  

time I got to the end of the crack, I could barely flex the joint  

open enough to get more worked into the crack. There was also a dent  

on the edge of the cracked piece. Recalling my wood-working days, I  

sanded the finish off the dented area, and wet it down with water.  

Then I fired up my model airplane covering iron, and ran it over the  

dented area. Lo and behold, the dent almost came totally back to  

level with the rest of the prop. I sanded the cracked area flush, and  

mixed up some Hysol and applied it into what was left of the dent and  

it is hardening in the sun right now. I really think it's going to be  

ok after all...time will tell.



While the glue was setting up, I talked with Lonnie Prince of Prince  

P-Tip Props, and asked about a new prop. This is when I learned about  

the 15 weeks delivery time. For 50% more money they will crank one  

out in 15 days....thanks, but no thanks. He really sounds like a good  

guy, and he even gave me some pointers on fixing the crack, which I  

would have followed if I hadn't already had it stuck back together. I  

only live about 75 miles from his operation, and he said it'd be ok  

to visit and see how they make the props....but he said "wear your  

work clothes."



His props sound like the best of both worlds, as they flex from a  

climb pitch to a cruise pitch as the load on the prop changes. I'm  

awfully tempted to order one of them. He also said that if the prop  

doesn't satisfy me (or anybody), he will re-pitch it, or build a new  

prop, and cost would be only the shipping involved. That's a pretty  

good guarantee in my book.



Part of my motivation in fixing the prop was imagining that I was  

stranded in Alaska, or out in the desert, and having this  

happen....I'd damn well fix it under those circumstances, and fly it  

out of there with caution. As Lonnie concurred, fly it carefully,  

with one hand near the mag switch, just in case the piece let go.  

Actually, the piece is probably so thin and light, that it wouldn't  

cause a radical out-of-balance condition, but would allow for a short  

flight to a favorable landing area.



Lynn

p.s. I probably would not want to trust this prop going over the  

mountains into Virginia, but a few flights around here will prove the  

fix one way or the other.

******************************

So there it is, the whole sordid story, which came out a whole lot  

better than I first expected it to. I was looking at a down time of  

at least 10 weeks, but 24 hours later, all seems to be well. After  

the repair, I flew it from my place and landed a few miles away, then  

took a lap around Michigan International Speedway (at 4000' ) then home.



Just to further explain the crack, it was on the trailing edge, as  

the engine was rotated backwards by the air pressure when he let go  

of the prop. (Don't try this at home) This Sensenich prop has a  

plastic (of some sort) leading edge, and the leading edge wraps  

around the tip, and this edge helped hold the cracked piece onto the  

prop. I don't know why I didn't shoot a picture of the damn thing  

before I repaired it, but I've posted a shot of the repair below.

You know me well enough Duane, to know I'd have to give a repair a  

shot....I've got just enough "shade tree mechanic" in me, and lack of  

good sense than to just sit still for a replacement prop to show  

up. : ) Gotta keep rackin' up those hours if I'm gonna catch up to you.





Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster

Jabiru 2200

Status: flying w/528 hrs





On Jun 12, 2008, at 5:59 PM, Rueb, Duane wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 <ruebd(at)skymail.csus.edu>



 Lynners:



 What the H. happened to your prop?  Did it come un-glued?  Wow that  

 is big medicine to have to fix a prop!



 Duanesky

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Lynn Matteson

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Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 6:16 am Post subject: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA

To the group-

Sorry about the double posting....when I got back home with the  

pictures, I saw the post that I thought I had sent in my outbox, and  

thinking that I hadn't sent it, sent it again with the picture.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster

Jabiru 2200

Status: flying w/528 hrs

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Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

ruebd(at)skymail.csus.edu
Guest

Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:25 am Post subject: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA

Lynners:



OK, so much for how you repaired, and I do know you well enough to know that you would attempt a repair.  I am enough the same, and only would have opted for some other glue, maybe one of the two part super wood glues, but you no doubt considered all of this.

What I didn't get is the reason for the repair in the first place.  I read something about air turning the prop backwards--?   Was this a practice engine out routine?  Or a hand prop number?



Duanesky



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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 9:58 am Post subject: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA

Duane-

You musta missed this one of June 11:



*****************

I was doing a compression/leak-down test today, and my buddy was  

holding the prop, and I told him to let it go, but get his body and  

hands out of the way, and he got all but one hand out of the way, and  

it bit him when the other blade came around. The two of us both made  

a mistake....me for wanting him to see how the blade would snap  

around when released, and him for not being aware of the other blade  

coming around. It cut his hand for about a 1-1/2" gash, and stung  

pretty good, and put a dent and crack in my prop. So once again, fate  

has put the damper on another trip for me, and for him, unless he  

decides to go anyway. I feel real bad for him, because he's wanted to  

get away from here for so long, and now he may not go after all. The  

injury wouldn't keep him here, but just having this happen is such a  

bummer. The dumb part of it is I had the leak-down test all done, but  

when he drove up, I wanted him to see how the test is done, so I had  

him hold the prop to see how much effort it took to do so....bad  

decision on my part.



****************



Back to the present:



Because I had fixed a couple of minor "with-the-grain" cracks on the  

other end of this prop with SuperGlue, I opted for the same stuff  

this time. If I was to do this fix without prior experience on the  

exact same wood, I would have gone with what Sensenich built it with  

in the first place...recorcinol glue. That stuff is the best. I've  

used to do bent wood laminations. One thing about the recorcinol  

though...it is a powder (at least what I've used), and it has a shelf  

life. When I moved here from California, I went to mix up a batch,  

and it didn't even mix right. When I called the company (can't recall  

which brand) they said it was expired due to the code on the lid. I  

went to the hardware store and tried to buy a can there, and theirs  

was expired too. So a word to the wise on expired glues....even the  

powdered type which I wouldn't think would die in the can.



Back to the question of glues for this repair. Lonnie Prince told me  

that I shouldn't have used the Super Glue because it doesn't hold  

well in the harder woods. But I had already got it stuck back  

together, so that was that...I even tried to break it apart and  

follow his advice (that's coming up), but I couldn't make it part  

company. Had I thought I could get the recorcinol glue locally  

without a trip to a specialized store (Johnson's Workbench in  

Charlotte, Michigan, remember, Duane?), I'd have gone that route.



Now for Lonnie's advice. He told me I should have used Hysol  

Structural Adhesive, and spread the joint apart, working the mixed  

glue into the joint, then tape it together and let it set up and sand  

to shape. That I have, and that I should have done, but it's too late  

to do it now, and besides, I've got that long 5-syllable word in 2"  

letters inside the cabin of my plane that says I can do  

anything...right? Well, more or less. : )



Now I'm not ripping Sensenich for having those cracks that I  

mentioned on the other end of the prop. With the humidity changes in  

Michigan weather, I'm surprised there aren't more. These cracks were  

of the "checking" nature, and I had to really use brute force to  

separate them enough to wick some Super Glue in there. And when set  

up, I could not again get them open. I'm talkin' almost microscopic  

cracks, except for the latest one, and that was gapped open about  

1/8" due to the nature of actually hitting the hand...damn, I wished  

I had shot a picture!



By the way, leak-down revealed 80/72, 80/80, 80/75, and 80/77. That  

80/80 may be a bit suspect, but I might have read the gauge at an angle.



Got another hour of flight in today, and still holding together.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster

Jabiru 2200

Status: flying w/528 hrs

On Jun 13, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Rueb, Duane wrote:



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 Lynners:



 OK, so much for how you repaired, and I do know you well enough to  

 know that you would attempt a repair.  I am enough the same, and  

 only would have opted for some other glue, maybe one of the two  

 part super wood glues, but you no doubt considered all of this.

 What I didn't get is the reason for the repair in the first place.   

 I read something about air turning the prop backwards--?   Was this  

 a practice engine out routine?  Or a hand prop number?



 Duanesky

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Lynn Matteson

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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:38 pm Post subject: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA

A word or two about the picture that I posted earlier on this thread,  

just to answer those who might question my sanity (any further):



The white area at the bottom of the prop is a reflection, as the  

light was coming from behind me, and I didn't feel the subject was  

worthy of me wasting my time to try to rig up a diffuser, or  

reposition the sunlight. : )

The dark area and specks of dark in that reflection area is the  

recorcinol glue used by Sensenich to glue the laminations together.

The grey area on the cracked portion is the Hysol Structural Adhesive  

that I used to build up the area that did not respond to the water- 

soak and heat treatment.

After re-attachment, dent removal procedure, filling and sanding up  

to 600 grit paper, I sprayed the repair with spar varnish as used by  

Sensenich. Oh, yeah, I also sprayed the other end of the prop to try  

to keep the balance as close as possible....shadetree? You betcha,  

but any port in a storm, so to speak.



The joint is secure, and there is not a bit of surface offset or any  

other way to determine that a repair was made other than visual...the  

joint passed the "fingernail test."  If I handed you the prop  

blindfolded, you would not be able to find the repair. You might feel  

the carcasses of dead bugs, however. It may fly off the prop  

tomorrow, but it has lasted the 1.4 hours of testing so far, and I  

suspect it'll last a bit longer.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster

Jabiru 2200

Status: flying w/528 hrs

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