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ernieandjane(at)naxs.net
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:25 am Post subject: Buying? 601HD w/ Subaru EA82

I'm looking at a 601 HD w/Subaru EA82 and belt PSRU  drive-advertised as 750# ew; 1250# gw and GSC 3 blade 68"prop. Any comments  and/or questions that I should ask the seller would be appreciated.The  plane is in and registered in Canada, near Windsor, Ont. If I buy, could we  do all the paperwork there and I fly it to my home (airport) in VA? before US  registration? and new N number? Or do the paperwork there and trailer it (thru  customs) to VA? Does the plane have to have a new AW inspection? And will this  inspection be similar to the final inspection of any newly finished E-AB?   Or could the seller (or his agent) fly it to my VA airport (GDY  or 6V3) and do the paperwork here? This (or the trailer) would  probably be the best option for me if is legal. Any comments will be  appreciated. I know several other engines are being used in the 601's. Is this  Subaru a sensible and practical installation for this plane? It has only the  header fuel tank- 15 or 16 gals so might be nose heavy?(Larry McFarland,  what say you???) The plane and engine have been together since "day one" year  2000.I had not thought about this before,but---Would most of you be comfortable  flying(over the Appalachians) with single ignition? (Maybe there are some  attitude adjustment pills for that single ignition problem??) BTW, I have flown  a 601 HD with Rotax 912 about 30+ hours including first flight and it is about  the best compromise for Sport Pilot compliant, looks, speed, economy,  flying qualities, (must be tri-gear) 2 seats, cross-country, and local just  "plane" fun flying and I hate to let this one get away,  trying to  avoid as many problems as possible and will be grateful for any help. Thanks in  advance. Reply to the list or e-mail me---your choice.

  

 Ernest Deel (aka Ernie)

 ernieandjane(at)naxs.net (ernieandjane(at)naxs.net) 

  

  

  

  

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larry(at)macsmachine.com
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:15 pm Post subject: Buying? 601HD w/ Subaru EA82

Hi Ernie,



The EA82 is an overhead cam driven engine that has less similarity with 

the push rod type EA81 engine. The EA82 was a total redesign valve train 

is probably belt-driven like the EJ22. The parts may not have much 

shared or in common with the EA81. I don’t have any issues with a good 

working single ignition system, but the Nippondenso ignition is 

expensive and frail. It’s easily replaced with a heavier and more 

bulletproof set of components that cost lots less. Dual ignition is 

easily added. The 601 can take an EA81, but not the heavier EJ22, so I’d 

be curious what the EA82 does weigh. You might try this link to get some 

comparisons to the models.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_EA_engine#EA-82



The re-drive would be of interest, because some I’ve seen are a shade 

less than satisfactory. You’re lucky it’s a belt drive in any case.



The other two issues are carburetors and cooling. What kind of cooling 

system is he using? Is it internal or external and does it work well on 

hot days?



Does it have Bings, or a basic carb or throttle body or what? I’d be 

reluctant to buy a fuel-injected type simply for its complication.



Given that the plane has been flying since 2000, it probably has most of 

the technical adjustments worked out. I’d ask the seller if there are 

limitations or problems that have been found. Don’t fall in love with 

the 601 without having seen all of it digitally or in-person as that’s a 

recipe for disappointment. Being an HD, it would easily fly over the 

mountains and provide good balance with full fuel and one person with 

gear. The fuel system should be carefully considered as well. Hope for 

two electric fuel pumps at the firewall and a gascolator because the 

Subaru generally doesn’t have a mechanical one.



I would think you could buy the aircraft, fly it to the U.S. on it’s 

registration, then re-register and apply for new N-numbers given the 

airworthiness is, or should be, transferable. If not, the FAA can steer 

you on that issue.



If there’s anything I can help you with, don’t hesitate to ask. You can 

reach me on other detail off-line anytime at larry(at)macsmachine.com 

<mailto:larry(at)macsmachine.com>



Best regards,



Larry McFarland



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Ernest Deel wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   I'm looking at a 601 HD w/Subaru EA82 and belt PSRU drive-advertised 

 as 750# ew; 1250# gw and GSC 3 blade 68"prop. Any comments and/or 

 questions that I should ask the seller would be appreciated.The plane 

 is in and registered in Canada, near Windsor, Ont. If I buy, could we 

 do all the paperwork there and I fly it to my home (airport) in VA? 

 before US registration? and new N number? Or do the paperwork there 

 and trailer it (thru customs) to VA? Does the plane have to have a new 

 AW inspection? And will this inspection be similar to the final 

 inspection of any newly finished E-AB? Or could the seller (or his 

 agent) fly it to my VA airport (GDY or 6V3) and do the paperwork here? 

 This (or the trailer) would probably be the best option for me if is 

 legal. Any comments will be appreciated. I know several other engines 

 are being used in the 601's. Is this Subaru a sensible and practical 

 installation for this plane? It has only the header fuel tank- 15 or 

 16 gals so might be nose heavy?(Larry McFarland, what say you???) The 

 plane and engine have been together since "day one" year 2000.I had 

 not thought about this before,but---Would most of you be comfortable 

 flying(over the Appalachians) with single ignition? (Maybe there are 

 some attitude adjustment pills for that single ignition problem??) 

 BTW, I have flown a 601 HD with Rotax 912 about 30+ hours including 

 first flight and it is about the best compromise for Sport Pilot 

 compliant, looks, speed, economy, flying qualities, (must be tri-gear) 

 2 seats, cross-country, and local just "plane" fun flying and I hate 

 to let this one get away, trying to avoid as many problems as possible 

 and will be grateful for any help. Thanks in advance. Reply to the 

 list or e-mail me---your choice.

 Ernest Deel (aka Ernie)

 ernieandjane(at)naxs.net <mailto:ernieandjane(at)naxs.net>

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dbortol

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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 6:18 am Post subject: Buying? 601HD w/ Subaru EA82

Hi Ernie,



I know that on my Canadian license I can fly a Canadian registered aircraft in US airspace, but I can not fly a US registered aircraft. I believe these rules are reciprocal, so bottom line, check it out with the FAA first.

 

Dino Bortolin



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On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:12 PM, LarryMcFarland <larry(at)macsmachine.com (larry(at)macsmachine.com)> wrote:

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 I would think you could buy the aircraft, fly it to the U.S. on it's registration, then re-register and apply for new N-numbers given the airworthiness is, or should be, transferable. If not, the FAA can steer you on that issue.

  

 

 



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