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gary.algate(at)sandvik.co
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 3:39 pm Post subject: Spraying Polyurethane

A question for all of the list chemical engineers: 

 

Can anybody advise what type of respirator to use when spraying 2 part Urethane (specifically a chemical CAS No. 28182-81-2  polyisocyanate,aliphatic) 

 

A friend of mine is using this paint and can't find anybody in  Australia that can sell him a suitable filter to use while spraying

 

 Gary Algate

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 Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655

 

 

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brucejolene(at)iowateleco
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 4:51 pm Post subject: Spraying Polyurethane

Organic vapor filters are for  paint  fumes.

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gary.algate(at)sandvik.co
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:25 pm Post subject: Spraying Polyurethane

Bruce, 

 

I'm not sure of what you mean - this is 2 part paint! 

 

He is going to use a pressurized face ,ask but still needs some sort of filtration for the inlet air?

 

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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:38 pm Post subject: Spraying Polyurethane

Be VERY careful spraying this type of paint!  I'm finishing up a Model 7 and finished the last of the spraying this weekend (I used Aerothane which is the same type of chemical formulation).  In my opinion, the only option is a "line supplied" type respirator.  I used the "hobby air" type that can be purchased for $400-$500.  If you goggle search for respiratory protection for this type of paint, you'll find that most manufacturers recommend this approach.  You'll also want to be careful with eye protection.  I wear swimmers goggles while spraying but admit I generally spray the last of the three coat process without goggles in order to clearly see the amount of paint on the surface being sprayed.  Following each spraying session, my eyes will be irritated for a week or so even with minimal exposure.

 

 On the plus side, it's a fantastic product in terms of finish, durability, and chemical resistance...just use the proper protection!

 

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kitfoxpilot(at)msn.com
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:38 pm Post subject: Spraying Polyurethane

I painted my plane in Aerothane and used a fresh air breather located away from the area I was working in.  I also was wearing a Tavek paper suit when I sprayed.

 Ray

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From: gary.algate(at)sandvik.com

Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:05:41 +1030

A question for all of the list chemical engineers: 

Can anybody advise what type of respirator to use when spraying 2 part Urethane (specifically a chemical CAS No. 28182-81-2  polyisocyanate,aliphatic) 

A friend of mine is using this paint and can't find anybody in  Australia that can sell him a suitable filter to use while spraying

Gary Algate

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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:22 pm Post subject: Spraying Polyurethane

Gary, I am going to be shooting Aerothane also. A company named Cole-Palmer ( found them through Google search ) supplies very good outside air hoods with a garden hose threaded hook up (at) $35 and Tyvek suits (at) $5. I am going to supply air with a $40 reversable shop vac and a motor speed control from Harbor Freight tool (at) $15. The $400 $500 outside air units seem extremely high priced to me.

  

 Pat Reilly

 Mod 3 582 Rebuild

 Rockford, IL  

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Ray

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From: gary.algate(at)sandvik.com

Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:05:41 +1030

A question for all of the list chemical engineers: 



Can anybody advise what type of respirator to use when spraying 2 part Urethane (specifically a chemical CAS No. 28182-81-2  polyisocyanate,aliphatic) 



A friend of mine is using this paint and can't find anybody in  Australia that can sell him a suitable filter to use while spraying



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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:38 pm Post subject: Spraying Polyurethane

The company making the filters usually have information matching the 

chemical type to the filter type. Not all chemicals are safely removable 

by filters only. Very toxic chemicals as isocyanates need outside are 

source as they can be deadly or have long term serious health effects.

Harry Cieslar, Avid Magnum Project. Not a chemical engineer but  medical 

professional with some industrial experience.



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n85ae

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Posts: 403

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:54 pm Post subject: Re: Spraying Polyurethane

I sold my Axis Citation after I built my Kitfox, I think the gun was

overrated anyway, as I get just as good results with an el-cheapo

harbor freight run off my compressor. The idea of low overspray 

with it is a myth anyway it looks like London Fog the amount of

paint in the air when you use it anyway.



Also Aerothane mist cleans off lenses, etc very easily with alchohol

within a few hours of painting. This was a real issue as the airborne 

mist sticks to everything.



I found a really nice paint gun are those automotive touch-up guns,

which I modify to use a larger paint pot. They put out a really nice

nice fine spray. Not as large a paint area as the bigger guns so

you go a bit slower, but good results.



I see no reason you couldn't run an air system for breathing off a

shopvac (a clean one anyways). Located outside the paint area



Jeff

Michael Logan

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 82

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:04 pm Post subject: Spraying Polyurethane

I made a fresh air mask from an old kitchen  stove ventilator fan that I hooked up to a length of dryer vent hose.   I then reduced the dryer vent to a one inch hose and attached it to one of the  filter masks by taking off one filter and putting it in the resulting  hole.  The fan was placed outside in fresh air and I ran the hose through a  bulkhead so only fresh air could get to the fan and then to  me.

  

 Always wear eye protection when spraying paint, the solvents are  usually very bad for the eyeballs and you cannot replace those little  buggers.

  

 Mike Logan

 Series 5



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Subject: RE: Spraying  Polyurethane

 

Gary, I am going to be shooting Aerothane also. A company named  Cole-Palmer ( found them through Google search ) supplies very  good outside air hoods with a garden hose threaded hook up (at) $35 and  Tyvek suits (at) $5. I am going to supply air with a $40 reversable shop vac and a  motor speed control from Harbor Freight tool (at) $15. The $400 $500 outside  air units seem extremely high priced to me.

 

Pat Reilly

Mod  3 582 Rebuild

Rockford, IL  

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      .ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P { 	PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } .ExternalClass BODY.EC_hmmessage { 	FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma }    I painted my plane in Aerothane and used a fresh air breather located away    from the area I was working in.  I also was wearing a Tavek paper suit    when I sprayed.

 

Ray

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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008      10:05:41 +1030

A question for all of the      list chemical engineers: 



Can anybody      advise what type of respirator to use when spraying 2 part Urethane      (specifically a chemical CAS No. 28182-81-2       polyisocyanate,aliphatic) 



A      friend of mine is using this paint and can't find anybody in  Australia      that can sell him a suitable filter to use while      spraying



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gary.algate(at)sandvik.co
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:52 pm Post subject: Spraying Polyurethane

Thanks for all of the input on this subject - I have advised my friend that he should forget a cartridge type filter and set up an external, pressurized air supply as recommended by the group. 

 

Regards 

 

Gary

 

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I made a fresh air mask from an old kitchen stove ventilator fan that I hooked up to a length of dryer vent hose.  I then reduced the dryer vent to a one inch hose and attached it to one of the filter masks by taking off one filter and putting it in the resulting hole.  The fan was placed outside in fresh air and I ran the hose through a bulkhead so only fresh air could get to the fan and then to me. 

  

Always wear eye protection when spraying paint, the solvents are usually very bad for the eyeballs and you cannot replace those little buggers. 

  

Mike Logan 

Series 5 

 

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Gary, I am going to be shooting Aerothane also. A company named Cole-Palmer ( found them through Google search ) supplies very good outside air hoods with a garden hose threaded hook up (at) $35 and Tyvek suits (at) $5. I am going to supply air with a $40 reversable shop vac and a motor speed control from Harbor Freight tool (at) $15. The $400 $500 outside air units seem extremely high priced to me.

  

 Pat Reilly

 Mod 3 582 Rebuild

 Rockford, IL  

 

  

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 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 01:35:44 +0000

 

 I painted my plane in Aerothane and used a fresh air breather located away from the area I was working in.  I also was wearing a Tavek paper suit when I sprayed.

  

 Ray

 

  

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 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:05:41 +1030

 

 

 A question for all of the list chemical engineers: 

 

 Can anybody advise what type of respirator to use when spraying 2 part Urethane (specifically a chemical CAS No. 28182-81-2  polyisocyanate,aliphatic) 

 

 A friend of mine is using this paint and can't find anybody in  Australia that can sell him a suitable filter to use while spraying

 

 Gary Algate

 Classic 4 Jab 2200

 Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655

 

 

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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:39 pm Post subject: Re: Spraying Polyurethane

This link should take you to the 3M site, and page with just about every mask and cartridge you might need.  I'll let you determine, but I'm pretty sure that the black label cartridge will take care of your needs.  And 3M is available world wide.



Denise and Rocky Whitman

Austin, Tx.

S7 Aerothane 912S



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