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rickpegser(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:29 pm Post subject: RV7-List: -7 tipup F-721A: When??

cut the guys some slack you ought to try to work from boeing drawings when rebuilding large sections of fuselage. and changing the main landing gear fitting on a dc-8 went bacisally, remove all interfering structure and install per drawing xxx-xxx, reinstall disturbed structure. that was the instructions for 45 days of work for four men round the clock. 

rick



--- On Tue, 6/17/08, Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:

 [quote]From: Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>

Subject: Re: RV7-List: -7 tipup F-721A: When??

To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Tuesday, June 17, 2008, 11:28 AM



[quote]--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>  Charlie England wrote: > --> RV7-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net> > > Those who have gone before, > > When is it ok to rivet the F-721A's ('forward canopy deck',  (at)  > instrument panel) to the longerons? I've fit all the stuff related to  > the F-768 sub panel components but I'm waiting (as the instructions  > say you can) to rivet that assembly into the fuselage. I'm ready to  > start fitting the canopy frame, but that ain't happening unless I  > either rivet the F-721A's to the longerons or take them out completely. > > The earlier instructions describe 'fitting' them, but don't specify  > actually riveting them in place. > Thanks, > > Charlie   OK, I know that Van's engineers won't apologize for the terrible  nomenclature, so I will. I'm sorry that Van named 2 little 4" x 12"  triangles 'forward canopy decks'.  These are the pieces that rivet to the top of the top longerons from  about 2" aft of the instrument panel, where they are only an inch wide,  up to the 'sub panel' where they are about 4 " wide.  I have no intention of riveting the upper structure & forward skin yet.  But, clecos holding these F-721A's on the longerons interfere with  fitting the canopy frame. I'm trying  to determine whether I'm supposed  to go ahead with riveting these 2 small pieces so I can fit the canopy,  & not interfere with anything else in the process.  Thanks,  Charlie          [quote][b]

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ceengland(at)bellsouth.ne
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:08 pm Post subject: RV7-List: -7 tipup F-721A: When??

Just kidding. Sort of.



I know that we are really living in the 'best of times', but it still 

gets a little frustrating occasionally. Found 2 actual errors in the 

plans/instructions within minutes of each other recently. From the email 

I haven't yet sent to Van's,



 >

dwg 47 drawn 1/22/01 sector c/d-9 top view of fuselage canopy frame:  

perspective callout (rt/aft) is rotated 90 degrees counter-clockwise



Instructions revised 6/2/04 fuselage section 8-20 under heading 

'Installing the Front Deck (Tipup Canopy Only) 6th paragraph beginning 

'Assemble the components...' 2nd sentence says 'Locate and drill the 

hat-section F-697 Channel to the *aft face* of the F-768A Center 

Subpanel.' (Drawings show the had section on the *forward* side of the 

F-768A subpanel.)

 >



On a positive note, I actually got a Van's employee to admit that it 

would be useful to 1st time builders if the parts list was in some 

(almost any) order other than the one the warehouse employee uses to 

pull the parts.



Charlie

(Make no mistake, I DO love my RV.)



RICHARD MILLER wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  

 cut the guys some slack you ought to try to work from boeing drawings 

 when rebuilding large sections of fuselage. and changing the main 

 landing gear fitting on a dc-8 went bacisally, remove all interfering 

 structure and install per drawing xxx-xxx, reinstall disturbed 

 structure. that was the instructions for 45 days of work for four men 

 round the clock.



 rick



 --- On *Tue, 6/17/08, Charlie England /<ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>/* wrote:



     From: Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>

     Subject: Re: RV7-List: -7 tipup F-721A: When??

     To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com

     Date: Tuesday, June 17, 2008, 11:28 AM



     

     <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>



     Charlie England wrote:

     > 

     <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>

     >

     > Those who have gone before,

     >

     > When is it ok to rivet the F-721A's ('forward canopy deck',  (at)



     > instrument panel) to the longerons? I've fit all the stuff related to 

     > the F-768 sub panel components but I'm waiting (as the instructions 

     > say you can) to rivet that assembly into the fuselage. I'm ready to 

     > start fitting the canopy frame, but that ain't happening unless I 

     > either rivet the F-721A's to the longerons or take them out

     completely.

     >

     > The earlier instructions describe 'fitting' them, but don't

     specify 

     > actually riveting them in place.

     > Thanks,

     >

     > Charlie 



     OK, I know that Van's engineers won't apologize for the terrible 

     nomenclature, so I will. I'm sorry that Van named 2 little 4" x

     12" 

     triangles 'forward canopy decks'.



     These are the pieces that rivet to the top of the top longerons from 

     about 2" aft of the instrument panel, where they are only an inch wide, 

     up to the 'sub panel' where they are about 4 " wide.



     I have no intention of riveting the upper structure & forward skin yet. 

     But, clecos holding these F-721A's on the longerons interfere with 

     fitting the canopy frame. I'm trying  to determine whether I'm supposed



     to go ahead with riveting these 2 small pieces so I can fit the canopy, 

     & not interfere with anything else in the process.



     Thanks,



     Charlie

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