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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:58 pm    Post subject: Lead-Free Solders Reply with quote

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Comments/Questions: I enjoyed reading the information in your article on
crimping vs. soldering. One thing that I did not see addressed was the
problem of tin whiskers growing on soldered connections and causing shorts:

Tin whiskers occur in very selective environments and
only from tin-lead alloys with every low lead levels. At
the present time, there are no lead-free alloys that have
been embraced by the aviation industry . . . and I would
presume the military isn't really enthusiastic about low-lead
or lead-free solders either. In addition to the tin-whisker
problems, lead-free falls short in a number of performance
characteristics.

Bob . . .
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 4:57 am    Post subject: Lead-Free Solders Reply with quote

I agree with you, Bob, that lead-free isn't the best way to go. However,
it's getting harder and harder to get past the "tree-huggers". Notice how
often you see "RoHS" in the catalogs anymore.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:57 am    Post subject: Lead-Free Solders Reply with quote

At 08:53 AM 6/17/2008 -0400, you wrote:
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I agree with you, Bob, that lead-free isn't the best way to go. However,
it's getting harder and harder to get past the "tree-huggers". Notice how
often you see "RoHS" in the catalogs anymore.

Do not archive

Blue skies and tailwinds

Yes, but the RoHS components solder down very nicely
with good ol' 63/37. I probably have a lifetime supply
of the "good stuff" on my shelves.

Now, this DOES raise the specter of tin-whiskers on
components that are built to RoHS standards even when
they're assembled to the product with 63/37.

Fortunately, these experiences are rare. We've had
hot tin dipped, closely spaced relay terminals on our
GA aircraft for decades. 99.9% of the time, any whisker
that might have offered a potential for system malfunction
simply gets burned away.

Of course, not the case with micro-electronics. In this
case, it appears that conformal coatings have held the
Whisker Dragon at bay.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:38 pm    Post subject: Lead-Free Solders Reply with quote

One additional point. The tin-whisker problem is a major concern in
aerospace etc. where the life of the circuitry is important. Your statement
about external coating can prevent (external to the device) whisker growth
is correct. The concern in the industry is internal whisker growth with
expected lifetimes of only a few years (before lead removal the life was
several decades). Consumer electronics have an average useful life of only a
few years (due to technology etc. improvements) and it is not a large issue
there. It is a large issue in aerospace where the needed lifetime is
typically tens of years. This is a major reason for the exemption of RoHS
requirement in aerospace among other long life systems.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:44 pm    Post subject: Lead-Free Solders Reply with quote

At 02:36 PM 6/19/2008 -0700, you wrote:
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One additional point. The tin-whisker problem is a major concern in
aerospace etc. where the life of the circuitry is important. Your
statement about external coating can prevent (external to the device)
whisker growth is correct. The concern in the industry is internal whisker
growth with expected lifetimes of only a few years (before lead removal
the life was several decades). Consumer electronics have an average useful
life of only a few years (due to technology etc. improvements) and it is
not a large issue there. It is a large issue in aerospace where the
needed lifetime is typically tens of years. This is a major reason for the
exemption of RoHS requirement in aerospace among other long life systems.


Yeah, that and the lack of toughness in lead-free joints. Seems
that re-flowed joints of lead-free products don't get the
wetting or structural integrity that we've enjoyed in 63/37
all these years. One of my clients has tried several lead-free
solder systems and decided he wasn't going to change over soon . . .
not at least with his present warranty policy!

Bob . . .


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