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cjpilot710(at)aol.com
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 Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 3:55 am Post subject: L-29 Formation |
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Gentlemen,
Lurking here I see a pattern in you decision making. It revolves around the amount of fuel these airplanes burn and the cost of that fuel right now.
If some of you do not have any formation time, its going to take you a good number of hours to learn. It cannot be done in one or two flights. Not realistic nor safe.
Perhaps you should get the basics in something a lot cheaper to run. RPA has formation clinics though out the year. One is happening May 4-7 out there in PTV.
You may be able to get a fellow member out there to let you use his/her airplane for gas and oil while they ride in the back seat and instructed. There is a lot of folks in RPA who are willing to help. A lot of times there are experienced jet jocks (ex military) out there who will happily going GIBing.
Formation time in a slower (cheaper Yak or CJ) is the same as in a L-29. The skill levels, physics, and geometries are the same, and across the aircraft spectrum. SA and following the rules can be learned a lot cheaper that way.
If you have the formation time already (military lets say) I can understand and as a FAST check pilot, readily see guys get the their FAST cards in 2 or 3 flights. That is the exception. If you have zero time in formation, I see guys averaging 8 hours (8-10 flights) to get it down. I am talking here of skill levels needed for a FAST card.
Remember the FAST card is only good in ONE place and one place only. It is good only in the wavered airspace at airshows. It has absolutely NO VALUE any place else. Having said that do not expect a FAST check pilot to hand these cards out wily nilly.
BTW you can pick-up the entire formation manual free, off of RPA's web site at (www.flyredstar.org) plus there is a flight standards section, that check pilots follow in check rides.
Hope this helps some.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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mjbjhf(at)charter.net
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| Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:26 am Post subject: L-29 Formation |
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Great info Pappy. I am looking forward to getting started.
Michael
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BitterlichMG(at)cherrypoi
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| Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:06 pm Post subject: L-29 Formation |
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BTW you can pick-up the entire formation manual free, off of RPA's web site at (www.flyredstar.org) plus there is a flight standards section, that check pilots follow in check rides.
Pappy, does one have to pay and become an RPA member in order to download those free formation manuals?
Just curious.
Mark Bitterlich
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jsfox(at)adelphia.net
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| Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:13 pm Post subject: L-29 Formation |
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Yes
On Mar 9, 2006, at 8:05 PM, Bitterlich GS11 Mark G wrote:
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BTW you can pick-up the entire formation manual free, off of RPA's web site at (www.flyredstar.org) plus there is a flight standards section, that check pilots follow in check rides.
Pappy, does one have to pay and become an RPA member in order to download those free formation manuals?
Just curious.
Mark Bitterlich
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cjpilot710(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:36 pm Post subject: L-29 Formation |
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BTW you can pick-up the entire formation manual free, off of RPA's web site at (www.flyredstar.org) plus there is a flight standards section, that check pilots follow in check rides.
Pappy, does one have to pay and become an RPA member in order to download those free formation manuals?
Just curious.
Mark Bitterlich
Nope, you do not have to be a member to down load the manuals. All the paper stuff you need is there.
Pappy
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jsfox(at)adelphia.net
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| Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:44 pm Post subject: L-29 Formation |
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Pappy-
You sure. I tried to get raining docs, just to see if you could without signing in and was asked for user name and password.
Steve Fox
On Mar 9, 2006, at 8:35 PM, cjpilot710(at)aol.com (cjpilot710(at)aol.com) wrote:
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BTW you can pick-up the entire formation manual free, off of RPA's web site at (www.flyredstar.org) plus there is a flight standards section, that check pilots follow in check rides.
Pappy, does one have to pay and become an RPA member in order to download those free formation manuals?
Just curious.
Mark Bitterlich
Nope, you do not have to be a member to down load the manuals. All the paper stuff you need is there.
Pappy
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