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 Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:15 am Post subject: Model 2 fuel gauge |
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My 1991 Model II has the plastic fuel tank behind the instrument panel with
slits in the panel to see the fuel level. Over time the tank has yellowed
and is pretty much the color of the fuel, so it is pretty difficult, to
nearly impossible, to see the level.
The obvious question - is there a fuel gauge retrofit of any kind available?
Putting a clear fuel "tube" on the panel, connected to the top and bottom of
the tank, is what comes to mind. Does anyone have a good solution, with
details?
Bob Brennan
1991 Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:48 am Post subject: Model 2 fuel gauge |
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On my B model Avid, I put a T in the fuel line under the tank and ran a clear plastic hose up the door post on the left side. The fuel seeks it's own level and so I can see the fuel level in the hose. I added fuel one gallon at a time and marked that level so I see the fuel amount there. The hose is open at the top though so if I rolled the plane onto it's top I would have fuel comming out of it which would not be good. If you wnted to drill a hole in the tank near the top, you could put the hose into that hole with the right rubber seal in the hole. Hope this helps, Jim Chuk Avids, Kitfox 4 Mn
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Subject: Model 2 fuel gauge
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:11:54 -0400
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My 1991 Model II has the plastic fuel tank behind the instrument panel with
slits in the panel to see the fuel level. Over time the tank has yellowed
and is pretty much the color of the fuel, so it is pretty difficult, to
nearly impossible, to see the level.
The obvious question - is there a fuel gauge retrofit of any kind available?
Putting a clear fuel "tube" on the panel, connected to the top and bottom of
the tank, is what comes to mind. Does anyone have a good solution, with
details?
Bob Brennan
1991 Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:51 am Post subject: Re: Model 2 fuel gauge |
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Bob,
On my model II there's a light installed behind the tank near the sight gage. To see the fuel level I flip a switch on the panel, the light comes on, and it's easy to see the level of the fuel. I prefer this method to drilling holes in the tank then sealing tubes, etc. for fear of leaks.
Cory
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:04 am Post subject: Model 2 fuel gauge |
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Thanks Cory - I had noticed that sunlight shining through the tank was the
only time I could actually see the fuel level accurately, but in the UK a
sunny day is not a normal thing!
Bob
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1991 Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:14 am Post subject: Model 2 fuel gauge |
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Thanks Jim - I think that is what I will do, although I will (somehow) make sure the top of the tube returns to the top of the fuel tank. Somehow the thought of having an unusual attitude incident is scary enough, having one with fuel possibly spilling inside the cabin is *really* scary.
One thought though - my Kitfox is a taildragger and the amount of fuel shown on the ground would be very different to that shown in level flight if the tube is any distance aft of the tank. I suppose 2 scales on either side of the tube should solve that problem.
One more general question to the group - are these sorts of modifications technically legal on an Experimental Aircraft by the own who is not the builder? On a Light Sport? I am still researching what "type" to certify my UK-built Kitfox II as (pardon the dangling participle).
Bob
Bob Brennan
1991 Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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Sent: 25 June 2008 11:45 am
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Model 2 fuel gauge
On my B model Avid, I put a T in the fuel line under the tank and ran a clear plastic hose up the door post on the left side. The fuel seeks it's own level and so I can see the fuel level in the hose. I added fuel one gallon at a time and marked that level so I see the fuel amount there. The hose is open at the top though so if I rolled the plane onto it's top I would have fuel comming out of it which would not be good. If you wnted to drill a hole in the tank near the top, you could put the hose into that hole with the right rubber seal in the hole. Hope this helps, Jim Chuk Avids, Kitfox 4 Mn
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Subject: Model 2 fuel gauge
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:11:54 -0400
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My 1991 Model II has the plastic fuel tank behind the instrument panel with
slits in the panel to see the fuel level. Over time the tank has yellowed
and is pretty much the color of the fuel, so it is pretty difficult, to
nearly impossible, to see the level.
The obvious question - is there a fuel gauge retrofit of any kind available?
Putting a clear fuel "tube" on the panel, connected to the top and bottom of
the tank, is what comes to mind. Does anyone have a good solution, with
details?
Bob Brennan
1991 Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:07 am Post subject: Model 2 fuel gauge |
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Just looked in my newest (2002) CPS catalog and found what you need to plug the hose back into the tank. Rubber tank
grommet ($.95) and an elbow tank fitting ($1.95) Price is no doubt higher now, but it shouldn't break the bank. I should
have had the parts available when I changed the windshield, it would have been a lot easier to drill the hole in the tank
near the very top of the tank. On an experimental aircraft, anyone can do any of the work on the plane, except for the
yearly conditional inspection. If the original builder has the repairmans certifcate for that plane, he can also do the insp.
Hope this helps, Jim Chuk Avids Kitfox 4 Mn
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To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Model 2 fuel gauge
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:11:36 -0400
.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding-right:0px;padding-left:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-top:0px;} .ExternalClass BODY.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;} Thanks Jim - I think that is what I will do, although I will (somehow) make sure the top of the tube returns to the top of the fuel tank. Somehow the thought of having an unusual attitude incident is scary enough, having one with fuel possibly spilling inside the cabin is *really* scary.
One thought though - my Kitfox is a taildragger and the amount of fuel shown on the ground would be very different to that shown in level flight if the tube is any distance aft of the tank. I suppose 2 scales on either side of the tube should solve that problem.
One more general question to the group - are these sorts of modifications technically legal on an Experimental Aircraft by the own who is not the builder? On a Light Sport? I am still researching what "type" to certify my UK-built Kitfox II as (pardon the dangling participle).
Bob
Bob Brennan
1991 Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim_and_Lucy Chuk
Sent: 25 June 2008 11:45 am
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Model 2 fuel gauge
On my B model Avid, I put a T in the fuel line under the tank and ran a clear plastic hose up the door post on the left side. The fuel seeks it's own level and so I can see the fuel level in the hose. I added fuel one gallon at a time and marked that level so I see the fuel amount there. The hose is open at the top though so if I rolled the plane onto it's top I would have fuel comming out of it which would not be good. If you wnted to drill a hole in the tank near the top, you could put the hose into that hole with the right rubber seal in the hole. Hope this helps, Jim Chuk Avids, Kitfox 4 Mn
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To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Model 2 fuel gauge
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:11:54 -0400
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My 1991 Model II has the plastic fuel tank behind the instrument panel with
slits in the panel to see the fuel level. Over time the tank has yellowed
and is pretty much the color of the fuel, so it is pretty difficult, to
nearly impossible, to see the level.
The obvious question - is there a fuel gauge retrofit of any kind available?
Putting a clear fuel "tube" on the panel, connected to the top and bottom of
the tank, is what comes to mind. Does anyone have a good solution, with
details?
Bob Brennan
1991 Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:31 am Post subject: Model 2 fuel gauge |
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Thanks again Jim - you also mentioned "changed the windshield" below which brings up another important point. My windshield stress-cracked at the bend point in the top corner so I drilled a small hole at the end to stop further cracking and covered the crack with prop tape. Now the other side has cracked in the same way which is why I was looking for a source for prop tape several emails ago - which I will now buy from the McBeans.
The repair passed the UK Permit To Fly annual inspection and I will find out next week if my Airworthiness inspector will accept it, but assuming not - how difficult was it to replace the windshield and where did you get it? I suspect you have to template and bend it yourself, and a previous owner didn't heat the bend properly to relieve stress, but that's a detail I will ask about as needs be.
Bob
Bob Brennan
1991 Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim_and_Lucy Chuk
Sent: 26 June 2008 11:05 am
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Model 2 fuel gauge
Just looked in my newest (2002) CPS catalog and found what you need to plug the hose back into the tank. Rubber tank
grommet ($.95) and an elbow tank fitting ($1.95) Price is no doubt higher now, but it shouldn't break the bank. I should
have had the parts available when I changed the windshield, it would have been a lot easier to drill the hole in the tank
near the very top of the tank. On an experimental aircraft, anyone can do any of the work on the plane, except for the
yearly conditional inspection. If the original builder has the repairmans certifcate for that plane, he can also do the insp.
Hope this helps, Jim Chuk Avids Kitfox 4 Mn
| Quote: | From: matronics(at)bob.brennan.name
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Model 2 fuel gauge
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:11:36 -0400
.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } .ExternalClass BODY.EC_hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma } Thanks Jim - I think that is what I will do, although I will (somehow) make sure the top of the tube returns to the top of the fuel tank. Somehow the thought of having an unusual attitude incident is scary enough, having one with fuel possibly spilling inside the cabin is *really* scary.
One thought though - my Kitfox is a taildragger and the amount of fuel shown on the ground would be very different to that shown in level flight if the tube is any distance aft of the tank. I suppose 2 scales on either side of the tube should solve that problem.
One more general question to the group - are these sorts of modifications technically legal on an Experimental Aircraft by the own who is not the builder? On a Light Sport? I am still researching what "type" to certify my UK-built Kitfox II as (pardon the dangling participle).
Bob
Bob Brennan
1991 Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim_and_Lucy Chuk
Sent: 25 June 2008 11:45 am
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Model 2 fuel gauge
On my B model Avid, I put a T in the fuel line under the tank and ran a clear plastic hose up the door post on the left side. The fuel seeks it's own level and so I can see the fuel level in the hose. I added fuel one gallon at a time and marked that level so I see the fuel amount there. The hose is open at the top though so if I rolled the plane onto it's top I would have fuel comming out of it which would not be good. If you wnted to drill a hole in the tank near the top, you could put the hose into that hole with the right rubber seal in the hole. Hope this helps, Jim Chuk Avids, Kitfox 4 Mn
| Quote: | From: matronics(at)bob.brennan.name
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Model 2 fuel gauge
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:11:54 -0400
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Brennan" <matronics(at)bob.brennan.name>
My 1991 Model II has the plastic fuel tank behind the instrument panel with
slits in the panel to see the fuel level. Over time the tank has yellowed
and is pretty much the color of the fuel, so it is pretty difficult, to
nearly impossible, to see the level.
The obvious question - is there a fuel gauge retrofit of any kind available?
Putting a clear fuel "tube" on the panel, connected to the top and bottom of
the tank, is what comes to mind. Does anyone have a good solution, with
details?
Bob Brennan
1991 Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:51 am Post subject: Model 2 fuel gauge |
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I changed the windshield out in one afternoon. I bought some .60 lexan from a local commercial glass installer. It actually
cost me half of what it would have been from ACS. I used the old windshield for a pattern and cut and drilled the new one
and used large head aluminum pop rivets with a small washer under the rib so it wouldn't pull through. Worked fine for me.
I didn't use any heat to form the compound bends either. Jim Chuk Avids Kitfox 4 Mn
| Quote: | From: matronics(at)bob.brennan.name
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Model 2 fuel gauge
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:27:21 -0400
.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding-right:0px;padding-left:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-top:0px;} .ExternalClass BODY.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;} Thanks again Jim - you also mentioned "changed the windshield" below which brings up another important point. My windshield stress-cracked at the bend point in the top corner so I drilled a small hole at the end to stop further cracking and covered the crack with prop tape. Now the other side has cracked in the same way which is why I was looking for a source for prop tape several emails ago - which I will now buy from the McBeans.
The repair passed the UK Permit To Fly annual inspection and I will find out next week if my Airworthiness inspector will accept it, but assuming not - how difficult was it to replace the windshield and where did you get it? I suspect you have to template and bend it yourself, and a previous owner didn't heat the bend properly to relieve stress, but that's a detail I will ask about as needs be.
Bob
Bob Brennan
1991 Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim_and_Lucy Chuk
Sent: 26 June 2008 11:05 am
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Model 2 fuel gauge
Just looked in my newest (2002) CPS catalog and found what you need to plug the hose back into the tank. Rubber tank
grommet ($.95) and an elbow tank fitting ($1.95) Price is no doubt higher now, but it shouldn't break the bank. I should
have had the parts available when I changed the windshield, it would have been a lot easier to drill the hole in the tank
near the very top of the tank. On an experimental aircraft, anyone can do any of the work on the plane, except for the
yearly conditional inspection. If the original builder has the repairmans certifcate for that plane, he can also do the insp.
Hope this helps, Jim Chuk Avids Kitfox 4 Mn
| Quote: | From: matronics(at)bob.brennan.name
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Model 2 fuel gauge
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:11:36 -0400
.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding-right:0px;padding-left:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-top:0px;} .ExternalClass BODY.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;} Thanks Jim - I think that is what I will do, although I will (somehow) make sure the top of the tube returns to the top of the fuel tank. Somehow the thought of having an unusual attitude incident is scary enough, having one with fuel possibly spilling inside the cabin is *really* scary.
One thought though - my Kitfox is a taildragger and the amount of fuel shown on the ground would be very different to that shown in level flight if the tube is any distance aft of the tank. I suppose 2 scales on either side of the tube should solve that problem.
One more general question to the group - are these sorts of modifications technically legal on an Experimental Aircraft by the own who is not the builder? On a Light Sport? I am still researching what "type" to certify my UK-built Kitfox II as (pardon the dangling participle).
Bob
Bob Brennan
1991 Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim_and_Lucy Chuk
Sent: 25 June 2008 11:45 am
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Model 2 fuel gauge
On my B model Avid, I put a T in the fuel line under the tank and ran a clear plastic hose up the door post on the left side. The fuel seeks it's own level and so I can see the fuel level in the hose. I added fuel one gallon at a time and marked that level so I see the fuel amount there. The hose is open at the top though so if I rolled the plane onto it's top I would have fuel comming out of it which would not be good. If you wnted to drill a hole in the tank near the top, you could put the hose into that hole with the right rubber seal in the hole. Hope this helps, Jim Chuk Avids, Kitfox 4 Mn
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To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Model 2 fuel gauge
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:11:54 -0400
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Brennan" <matronics(at)bob.brennan.name>
My 1991 Model II has the plastic fuel tank behind the instrument panel with
slits in the panel to see the fuel level. Over time the tank has yellowed
and is pretty much the color of the fuel, so it is pretty difficult, to
nearly impossible, to see the level.
The obvious question - is there a fuel gauge retrofit of any kind available?
Putting a clear fuel "tube" on the panel, connected to the top and bottom of
the tank, is what comes to mind. Does anyone have a good solution, with
details?
Bob Brennan
1991 Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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Bob
I think I've changed about 6 windscreens (Mine and friends). I used 1/8" Lexan and it is a relatively easy process. The sheet comes in 8' x 4' so if your careful you can get 2 out of a sheet. (approx $100)
Just use your old screen as a template and mark the outline and drill thru the main 3/16" holes for the bolts on the pillars and also at least a couple of the rear rivet holes.
It takes two people but its an easy process (on a warm day) to get the first few bolts and rivets in and then you can drill through the remainder.
Strangely enough, heating won't remove the stress and they all craze over time at the bend.
I checked with the manufacturers and they also confirmed that heating won't stress relieve!
Gary
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Thanks again Jim - you also mentioned "changed the windshield" below which brings up another important point. My windshield stress-cracked at the bend point in the top corner so I drilled a small hole at the end to stop further cracking and covered the crack with prop tape. Now the other side has cracked in the same way which is why I was looking for a source for prop tape several emails ago - which I will now buy from the McBeans.
The repair passed the UK Permit To Fly annual inspection and I will find out next week if my Airworthiness inspector will accept it, but assuming not - how difficult was it to replace the windshield and where did you get it? I suspect you have to template and bend it yourself, and a previous owner didn't heat the bend properly to relieve stress, but that's a detail I will ask about as needs be.
Bob
Bob Brennan
1991 Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Model 2 fuel gauge
Just looked in my newest (2002) CPS catalog and found what you need to plug the hose back into the tank. Rubber tank
grommet ($.95) and an elbow tank fitting ($1.95) Price is no doubt higher now, but it shouldn't break the bank. I should
have had the parts available when I changed the windshield, it would have been a lot easier to drill the hole in the tank
near the very top of the tank. On an experimental aircraft, anyone can do any of the work on the plane, except for the
yearly conditional inspection. If the original builder has the repairmans certifcate for that plane, he can also do the insp.
Hope this helps, Jim Chuk Avids Kitfox 4 Mn
From: matronics(at)bob.brennan.name
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Model 2 fuel gauge
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:11:36 -0400
Thanks Jim - I think that is what I will do, although I will (somehow) make sure the top of the tube returns to the top of the fuel tank. Somehow the thought of having an unusual attitude incident is scary enough, having one with fuel possibly spilling inside the cabin is *really* scary.
One thought though - my Kitfox is a taildragger and the amount of fuel shown on the ground would be very different to that shown in level flight if the tube is any distance aft of the tank. I suppose 2 scales on either side of the tube should solve that problem.
One more general question to the group - are these sorts of modifications technically legal on an Experimental Aircraft by the own who is not the builder? On a Light Sport? I am still researching what "type" to certify my UK-built Kitfox II as (pardon the dangling participle).
Bob
Bob Brennan
1991 Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim_and_Lucy Chuk
Sent: 25 June 2008 11:45 am
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Model 2 fuel gauge
On my B model Avid, I put a T in the fuel line under the tank and ran a clear plastic hose up the door post on the left side. The fuel seeks it's own level and so I can see the fuel level in the hose. I added fuel one gallon at a time and marked that level so I see the fuel amount there. The hose is open at the top though so if I rolled the plane onto it's top I would have fuel comming out of it which would not be good. If you wnted to drill a hole in the tank near the top, you could put the hose into that hole with the right rubber seal in the hole. Hope this helps, Jim Chuk Avids, Kitfox 4 Mn
> From: matronics(at)bob.brennan.name
> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Model 2 fuel gauge
> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:11:54 -0400
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Brennan" <matronics(at)bob.brennan.name>
>
> My 1991 Model II has the plastic fuel tank behind the instrument panel with
> slits in the panel to see the fuel level. Over time the tank has yellowed
> and is pretty much the color of the fuel, so it is pretty difficult, to
> nearly impossible, to see the level.
>
> The obvious question - is there a fuel gauge retrofit of any kind available?
> Putting a clear fuel "tube" on the panel, connected to the top and bottom of
> the tank, is what comes to mind. Does anyone have a good solution, with
> details?
>
> Bob Brennan
> 1991 Model 2 Kitfox
> Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
> Wrightsville Pa
>
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I changed the windshield out in one afternoon. I bought some .60 lexan from a local commercial glass installer. It actually
cost me half of what it would have been from ACS. I used the old windshield for a pattern and cut and drilled the new one
and used large head aluminum pop rivets with a small washer under the rib so it wouldn't pull through. Worked fine for me.
I didn't use any heat to form the compound bends either. Jim Chuk Avids Kitfox 4 Mn
From: matronics(at)bob.brennan.name
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Model 2 fuel gauge
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:27:21 -0400
Thanks again Jim - you also mentioned "changed the windshield" below which brings up another important point. My windshield stress-cracked at the bend point in the top corner so I drilled a small hole at the end to stop further cracking and covered the crack with prop tape. Now the other side has cracked in the same way which is why I was looking for a source for prop tape several emails ago - which I will now buy from the McBeans.
The repair passed the UK Permit To Fly annual inspection and I will find out next week if my Airworthiness inspector will accept it, but assuming not - how difficult was it to replace the windshield and where did you get it? I suspect you have to template and bend it yourself, and a previous owner didn't heat the bend properly to relieve stress, but that's a detail I will ask about as needs be.
Bob
Bob Brennan
1991 Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim_and_Lucy Chuk
Sent: 26 June 2008 11:05 am
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Model 2 fuel gauge
Just looked in my newest (2002) CPS catalog and found what you need to plug the hose back into the tank. Rubber tank
grommet ($.95) and an elbow tank fitting ($1.95) Price is no doubt higher now, but it shouldn't break the bank. I should
have had the parts available when I changed the windshield, it would have been a lot easier to drill the hole in the tank
near the very top of the tank. On an experimental aircraft, anyone can do any of the work on the plane, except for the
yearly conditional inspection. If the original builder has the repairmans certifcate for that plane, he can also do the insp.
Hope this helps, Jim Chuk Avids Kitfox 4 Mn
From: matronics(at)bob.brennan.name
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Model 2 fuel gauge
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:11:36 -0400
Thanks Jim - I think that is what I will do, although I will (somehow) make sure the top of the tube returns to the top of the fuel tank. Somehow the thought of having an unusual attitude incident is scary enough, having one with fuel possibly spilling inside the cabin is *really* scary.
One thought though - my Kitfox is a taildragger and the amount of fuel shown on the ground would be very different to that shown in level flight if the tube is any distance aft of the tank. I suppose 2 scales on either side of the tube should solve that problem.
One more general question to the group - are these sorts of modifications technically legal on an Experimental Aircraft by the own who is not the builder? On a Light Sport? I am still researching what "type" to certify my UK-built Kitfox II as (pardon the dangling participle).
Bob
Bob Brennan
1991 Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim_and_Lucy Chuk
Sent: 25 June 2008 11:45 am
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Model 2 fuel gauge
On my B model Avid, I put a T in the fuel line under the tank and ran a clear plastic hose up the door post on the left side. The fuel seeks it's own level and so I can see the fuel level in the hose. I added fuel one gallon at a time and marked that level so I see the fuel amount there. The hose is open at the top though so if I rolled the plane onto it's top I would have fuel comming out of it which would not be good. If you wnted to drill a hole in the tank near the top, you could put the hose into that hole with the right rubber seal in the hole. Hope this helps, Jim Chuk Avids, Kitfox 4 Mn
> From: matronics(at)bob.brennan.name
> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Model 2 fuel gauge
> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:11:54 -0400
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Brennan" <matronics(at)bob.brennan.name>
>
> My 1991 Model II has the plastic fuel tank behind the instrument panel with
> slits in the panel to see the fuel level. Over time the tank has yellowed
> and is pretty much the color of the fuel, so it is pretty difficult, to
> nearly impossible, to see the level.
>
> The obvious question - is there a fuel gauge retrofit of any kind available?
> Putting a clear fuel "tube" on the panel, connected to the top and bottom of
> the tank, is what comes to mind. Does anyone have a good solution, with
> details?
>
> Bob Brennan
> 1991 Model 2 Kitfox
> Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
> Wrightsville Pa
>
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