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Cj6sly(at)cs.com
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:15 pm Post subject: Yak-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 06/25/08

Hello, Yakistas, 

 

I'm doing a Stand-up at Warbirds in Review at Oshkosh this year on the 50th anno of the First Flight of the CJ-6A. While I'm firmly of the opinion that the facts should never get in the way of a good story, I'm interested in any historical info or anecdote that any of you are a prty to. Such as this: I had heard a story that a flight of North Korean Yak-18's had attacked an oil storage facility in Seoul during the Korean War. Anyone else hear that? SO, anything you folks have would be appreciated as I get my wits gathered.

 

See you at Oshkosh!

 

Skip Ranger Rick Slyfield

cj6sly(at)cs.com

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cjpilot710(at)aol.com
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:38 pm Post subject: Yak-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 06/25/08

The only Marine corp ace during Korean shot down 5 of these types.  No  migs - just poor old little Yak 18s.  BTW the CJ didn't fly until August 28  1958.  Had he encounter a B model, well there might have been a Corsair  with a few holes in it.  



  

 Pappy

  

 Hmmmmmmmmm  One wonders.  Pappy.

  

  In a message dated 6/27/2008 5:16:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  Cj6sly(at)cs.com writes:

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Hello, Yakistas, 



I'm    doing a Stand-up at Warbirds in Review at Oshkosh this year on the 50th anno    of the First Flight of the CJ-6A. While I'm firmly of the opinion that the    facts should never get in the way of a good story, I'm interested in any    historical info or anecdote that any of you are a prty to. Such as this: I had    heard a story that a flight of North Korean Yak-18's had attacked an oil    storage facility in Seoul during the Korean War. Anyone else hear that? SO,    anything you folks have would be appreciated as I get my wits    gathered.



See you at Oshkosh!



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scott-p(at)texas.net
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:08 pm Post subject: Yak-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 06/25/08

Pappy,



I think you mean USN ace... See this link:



http://www.acepilots.com/korea_bordelon.html



Sorry,



Scott



cjpilot710(at)aol.com wrote:

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		   The only Marine corp ace during Korean shot down 5 of these types.  No 

 migs - just poor old little Yak 18s.  BTW the CJ didn't fly until 

 August 28 1958.  Had he encounter a B model, well there might have 

 been a Corsair with a few holes in it.  

  

 Pappy

  

 Hmmmmmmmmm  One wonders.  Pappy.

  

 In a message dated 6/27/2008 5:16:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 

 Cj6sly(at)cs.com writes:



     



     Hello, Yakistas,



     I'm doing a Stand-up at Warbirds in Review at Oshkosh this year on

     the 50th anno of the First Flight of the CJ-6A. While I'm firmly

     of the opinion that the facts should never get in the way of a

     good story, I'm interested in any historical info or anecdote that

     any of you are a prty to. Such as this: I had heard a story that a

     flight of North Korean Yak-18's had attacked an oil storage

     facility in Seoul during the Korean War. Anyone else hear that?

     SO, anything you folks have would be appreciated as I get my wits

     gathered.



     See you at Oshkosh!



     Skip Ranger Rick es y   -->              - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS

     nbsp;            - List Contribution Web Site ;                  

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buddairbum(at)cox.net
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:59 am Post subject: Yak-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 06/25/08

This from historian, Barrett Tillman.



 The only marine ace in the KW was Jack Bolt, flying F86s as an exchange

pilot.



The only NAVY ace was Guy Pierre Bordelon (who likely wasn't an ace)

credited with two Yak 18s and three La-9 or 11s in June-July 53.



bd



On 6/27/08 7:05 PM, "Scott Poehlmann" <scott-p(at)texas.net> wrote:



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 Pappy,

 

 I think you mean USN ace... See this link:

 

 http://www.acepilots.com/korea_bordelon.html

 

 Sorry,

 

 Scott

 

 cjpilot710(at)aol.com wrote:

> The only Marine corp ace during Korean shot down 5 of these types.  No

> migs - just poor old little Yak 18s.  BTW the CJ didn't fly until

> August 28 1958.  Had he encounter a B model, well there might have

> been a Corsair with a few holes in it.  

>  

> Pappy

>  

> Hmmmmmmmmm  One wonders.  Pappy.

>  

> In a message dated 6/27/2008 5:16:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> Cj6sly(at)cs.com writes:

> 

>     

> 

>     Hello, Yakistas,

> 

>     I'm doing a Stand-up at Warbirds in Review at Oshkosh this year on

>     the 50th anno of the First Flight of the CJ-6A. While I'm firmly

>     of the opinion that the facts should never get in the way of a

>     good story, I'm interested in any historical info or anecdote that

>     any of you are a prty to. Such as this: I had heard a story that a

>     flight of North Korean Yak-18's had attacked an oil storage

>     facility in Seoul during the Korean War. Anyone else hear that?

>     SO, anything you folks have would be appreciated as I get my wits

>     gathered.

> 

>     See you at Oshkosh!

> 

>     Skip Ranger Rick es y   -->              - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS

>     nbsp;            - List Contribution Web Site ;

>           =========================

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

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> cars <http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007>.

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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 11:14 am Post subject: Yak-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 06/25/08

Somebody’s been drinking too much of their cool-aid. I believe a Corsair or two will be at OSH this year. Why not put the theory to test with a little 1 v 1. Tater, you lurking? The loser buys gas.  

doc  

       

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The only Marine corp ace during Korean shot down 5 of these types.  No migs - just poor old little Yak 18s.  BTW the CJ didn't fly until August 28 1958.  Had he encounter a B model, well there might have been a Corsair with a few holes in it.    

    

   

    

Pappy  

    

   

    

Hmmmmmmmmm  One wonders.  Pappy.  

    

   

      

In a message dated 6/27/2008 5:16:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Cj6sly(at)cs.com writes:  

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 Hello, Yakistas, 

 

 I'm doing a Stand-up at Warbirds in Review at Oshkosh this year on the 50th anno of the First Flight of the CJ-6A. While I'm firmly of the opinion that the facts should never get in the way of a good story, I'm interested in any historical info or anecdote that any of you are a prty to. Such as this: I had heard a story that a flight of North Korean Yak-18's had attacked an oil storage facility in Seoul during the Korean War. Anyone else hear that? SO, anything you folks have would be appreciated as I get my wits gathered.

 

 See you at Oshkosh!

 

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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:50 pm Post subject: Yak-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 06/25/08

I believe Pappy is thinking of Marines that started at zero and became

Aces JUST during the Korean Conflict and in that case, there was only

one, John Bolt.  At least that is what the official records say.  



On the other hand, if you ask the question: "How many Marines became

Aces during the Korean Conflict, I believe that answer would be three

(John W Andre,  John F. Bolt and Philip C. Delong) Andre and Delong each

had 5 combined kills from both WW-II and Korea.  



In my way of thinking, it does not matter what war or war's you were in,

when you shoot down 5, you're an Ace, right then and there.  



As for any make or model of CJ managing to put holes into a Corsair,

well shoot... Anything can happen!  For example, a Corsair shot down a

Mig in Korea!  An example of being in the right place, at the right

time, with loaded guns and being either very good or very lucky with

them.  So the key wording there is:  "MIGHT HAVE BEEN".  As in: Next

time I go real world 1 V 1 with my YAK-50 against an F-18, I might shoot

one round with my .45 Colt and hit the F-18 pilot in the head and win.

The word "might" carries infinate odds.



mgb   



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MarkWDavis

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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 3:18 pm Post subject: Yak-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 06/25/08

For lucky shots, my favorite is the A-4 Skyhawk that shot down a Mig 17 in 

VietNam with a salvo of Zuni rockets.  Had to have been the most impressive 

shootdown of the war!



Mark Davis

N44YK



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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:23 pm Post subject: Yak-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 06/25/08

Yes, especially since the early versions had a habit of shucking their fines

after launch FODing the engine. Nothing like being shot down by your own

ordinance. Just not your lucky day when that happens.

Doc



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