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dvanlanen

Joined: 25 Jul 2006
Posts: 122
Location: Madison, WI

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:21 am Post subject: P-Touch Wire Labeling Question

I came across suggestions on the list for using the Brother P-Touch labeling system to label wires.  I purchased a PT-1830 printer and the flexible ID tape, which is designed specifically for “flag” labeling wires, cables, etc.  I needed to “flag” label the small servo wires (26 AWG) because they are too small for using the label wrap / heat shrink method.  A couple of days after applying the labels, I noticed that they started to come loose.  

Has anyone else used this tape to “flag” label any of their wires, and if so, what was your experience?  Am I doing something wrong?  

Thanks,  

Dave     [quote][b]

bbradburry(at)bellsouth.n
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:02 am Post subject: P-Touch Wire Labeling Question

I am using the exact same equipment and having very similar experiences.  The flags don’t seem to come all the way off, but they get loose and can move up and down the wires.  They make a product with stronger adhesive, but the tape is stiffer and the results are similar.  The stronger adhesive works for labeling my fuse box tho’.  

   

Bill B   

  

       

  

From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave VanLanen

 Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 11:18 AM

 To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: AeroElectric-List: P-Touch Wire Labeling Question  

I came across suggestions on the list for using the Brother P-Touch labeling system to label wires.  I purchased a PT-1830 printer and the flexible ID tape, which is designed specifically for “flag” labeling wires, cables, etc.  I needed to “flag” label the small servo wires (26 AWG) because they are too small for using the label wrap / heat shrink method.  A couple of days after applying the labels, I noticed that they started to come loose.  

Has anyone else used this tape to “flag” label any of their wires, and if so, what was your experience?  Am I doing something wrong?  

Thanks,  

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bob(at)bob-white.com
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:27 am Post subject: P-Touch Wire Labeling Question

For low volume marking, I've found that making a label by writing on

3/32 white shrink tubing with a fine line Sharpie does a good job.  For

the 26 AWG wire, you might need to put a piece of 1/16 shrink on

before shrinking the label on.  I've used the 3/32 on 22 AWG Tefzel,

and it sticks in place, but if you push on it, it will come loose and

slide on the wire.



Bob W. 

On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:17:58 -0500

"Dave VanLanen" <davevanlanen(at)sbcglobal.net> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   I came across suggestions on the list for using the Brother P-Touch labeling

 system to label wires.  I purchased a PT-1830 printer and the flexible ID

 tape, which is designed specifically for "flag" labeling wires, cables, etc.

 I needed to "flag" label the small servo wires (26 AWG) because they are too

 small for using the label wrap / heat shrink method.  A couple of days after

 applying the labels, I noticed that they started to come loose.

 

 Has anyone else used this tape to "flag" label any of their wires, and if

 so, what was your experience?  Am I doing something wrong?

 

 Thanks,

 Dave

 


	




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rshannon

Joined: 05 Sep 2007
Posts: 62

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:43 am Post subject: P-Touch Wire Labeling Question

FWIW, on smaller gauge wires, I use a label maker with the flexible tape and, using the smallest font, make a label that's cut with extra white space equal to the width of the letters. I then trim the 1/2" wide tape lengthwise on top and bottom, so the tape width is about 1/4". Then I wrap the tape around the wire perpendicular to the wire, attaching it to the wire and itself. A true flag. Have not had one come off yet.

 

Ron



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frank.hinde(at)hp.com
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:11 am Post subject: P-Touch Wire Labeling Question

Wow is it really worth all the effort it takes to do  this?

  

 I mean I have built two airplanes, and flown about about  1000hours between them the latest is IFR and the 601 Zodiac  VFR.

  

 I did not label a single wire in either airplane and can't  see any reason I should so far.

  

 Frank



   From:  owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron  Shannon

Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 9:40 AM

To:  aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List:  P-Touch Wire Labeling Question

 

FWIW, on smaller gauge wires, I use a label maker with the flexible  tape and, using the smallest font, make a label that's cut with extra white  space equal to the width of the letters. I then trim the 1/2" wide tape  lengthwise on top and bottom, so the tape width is about 1/4". Then I wrap the  tape around the wire perpendicular to the wire, attaching it to the wire and  itself. A true flag. Have not had one come off yet.



Ron



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bob(at)bob-white.com
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:19 am Post subject: P-Touch Wire Labeling Question

Hi Frank,



It all depends on what happens someday when something goes wrong, or

you want to modify something.  Maybe you enjoy a good puzzle.  It will

be even more fun if you use only white wire too. 



I think writing on shrink tubing is easier than all that snipping and

trimming.



Bob W. (Not advocating that anyone should do anything.)



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On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 17:07:07 +0000

"Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde(at)hp.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Wow is it really worth all the effort it takes to do this?

 

 I mean I have built two airplanes, and flown about about 1000hours between them the latest is IFR and the 601 Zodiac VFR.

 

 I did not label a single wire in either airplane and can't see any reason I should so far.

 

 Frank

 

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 From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Shannon

 Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 9:40 AM

 To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: P-Touch Wire Labeling Question

 

 FWIW, on smaller gauge wires, I use a label maker with the flexible tape and, using the smallest font, make a label that's cut with extra white space equal to the width of the letters. I then trim the 1/2" wide tape lengthwise on top and bottom, so the tape width is about 1/4". Then I wrap the tape around the wire perpendicular to the wire, attaching it to the wire and itself. A true flag. Have not had one come off yet.

 

 Ron

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


	




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Cables for your rotary installation - http://roblinstores.com/cables/

frank.hinde(at)hp.com
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:39 am Post subject: P-Touch Wire Labeling Question

Yes fair point...and I used black wire for all my grounds so at least half of them are identifiable..



Frank



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rshannon

Joined: 05 Sep 2007
Posts: 62

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:05 pm Post subject: P-Touch Wire Labeling Question

Frank,



I'm glad it's worked out for you, but even though I've been working with electronics all my life, I have hundreds of wires in the airplane and wouldn't even consider not labeling them. Perhaps you're joking, but if not, the reasons labeling wires are part of best practices should be obvious: reduction or elimination of connection errors, ease of maintenance & troubleshooting for me and others, better resale value, AC-43 recommends it... etc., etc. The reason I personally prefer the trimmed label tape flags on small wires is just that they're easier for me to read when peering into my very cramped panel space. It takes less than a minute per wire to do.

 

Ron

On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) <frank.hinde(at)hp.com (frank.hinde(at)hp.com)> wrote:

[quote]      Wow is it really worth all the effort it takes to do  this?

  

 I mean I have built two airplanes, and flown about about  1000hours between them the latest is IFR and the 601 Zodiac  VFR.

  

 I did not label a single wire in either airplane and can't  see any reason I should so far.

  

 Frank



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RV4WGH(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:13 am Post subject: P-Touch Wire Labeling Question

I have a Brother labeling machine. However, for the wires, I made up labels  using a word processor, No. 8 font.  Cut them out and used heat shrink over  them.  Worked great.  YMMV.

  

 Regards,

  

 Wally Hunt

 RV-4 Finishing Kit



Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars.

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dean.psiropoulos(at)veriz
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:51 pm Post subject: P-Touch Wire Labeling Question

You're not doing anything wrong Dave:



I built a full IFR panel with big radio stack and I used the P-Touch PT-1400

portable handheld to label every wire at about 1 foot intervals.  I did

experience the "unsticking" over time also but cured it with clear

heatshrink shrunk over the top of the wrapped labels(I didn't use the flag

technique on the 26 GA MAC servo wires, I just noted the color code on the

drawings).  As one might guess "Frank", this was very time consuming but

with the wires made of Teflon and being such small diameter it was necessary

to avoid the labels coming off. Definitely worth it though, I know what goes

where and when I did my electrical checkout last fall there were only two

wires that were swapped (easily fixed).  I hope I never have to touch it

again but if I do, I'll know exactly what I'm looking at.



Dean Psiropoulos

RV-6A  N197DM   

Finally finished (FAA Inspection next week, transition training on the 21st)



 

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		  Has anyone else used this tape to "flag" label any of their wires, and if

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