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John Hauck
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)
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 Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:08 pm Post subject: Flying Idaho's Back Country USFS Airstrips 2008 |
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Hi Gang:
During our flight West, this year, John W and I spent a day flying some of
Idaho's back country US Forest Service airstrips.
Here are a couple video clips of landing and departing Soldiers Bar, the
roughest and toughest strip we landed and took off on.
These are not our clips, but will give you a good idea of the rugged terrain
we spent our day flying over. Also, of note, the altitude was from 5 to 10
thousand feet ASL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90mqPLT1z4c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9wcjqFBxnY
The clips don't do the strip justice. One way in and one way out. The
south end is an extremely steep ramp made up of mogul humps that try to make
the aircraft fly way too early. Both John W and I had thoughts of wiping
out the landing gear on departure down the drop off. The black rubber
strips are in place to help control erosion.
john h
mkIII
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:12 pm Post subject: Flying Idaho's Back Country USFS Airstrips 2008 |
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Anyone going to fly these Idaho back country strips should pick up a copy of the DVD called "Idaho Exposed". This particular strip is on there and does a better job of presenting the terrain.
Check out Dewey Moore strip next time.
Bob
---- John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> wrote:
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Hi Gang:
During our flight West, this year, John W and I spent a day flying some of
Idaho's back country US Forest Service airstrips.
Here are a couple video clips of landing and departing Soldiers Bar, the
roughest and toughest strip we landed and took off on.
These are not our clips, but will give you a good idea of the rugged terrain
we spent our day flying over. Also, of note, the altitude was from 5 to 10
thousand feet ASL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90mqPLT1z4c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9wcjqFBxnY
The clips don't do the strip justice. One way in and one way out. The
south end is an extremely steep ramp made up of mogul humps that try to make
the aircraft fly way too early. Both John W and I had thoughts of wiping
out the landing gear on departure down the drop off. The black rubber
strips are in place to help control erosion.
john h
mkIII
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:15 pm Post subject: Flying Idaho's Back Country USFS Airstrips 2008 |
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> Check out Dewey Moore strip next time.
Bob:
Have you landed there?
john h
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JetPilot
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:23 pm Post subject: Re: Flying Idaho's Back Country USFS Airstrips 2008 |
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That runway looks like a place fit for only a Helicopter... How long was it ? How much of it did you need to get off the ground. In the video, looks like the Cessna had to dive for airspeed once over the edge, did you feel anything like that in your Kolb ?
Mike
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lcottrell
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Location: Jordan Valley, Or
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:34 pm Post subject: Flying Idaho's Back Country USFS Airstrips 2008 |
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John, Gang,
There has been three GA accidents in the last few weeks at these back
country Idaho airstrips. A recent one involved a Moony landing long at Big
Creek and colliding with a old abandoned pickup. I think me and my little
Firestar will stay out of those ?hills? The air currents have to be tricky
in those canyons.
Larry C
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:38 am Post subject: Flying Idaho's Back Country USFS Airstrips 2008 |
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> That runway looks like a place fit for only a Helicopter... How long was
it ? How much of it did you need to get off the ground. In the video,
looks like the Cessna had to dive for airspeed once over the edge, did you
feel anything like that in your Kolb ?
Mike:
Airnav has airport info on Soldiers Bar and the other USFS airstrips in
Idaho.
http://www.airnav.com/airport/85U
John W's Kolbra and my MKIII had no problems operating in and out of any of
the back country airstrips. Also, we were flying at max gross weight,
loaded up with fuel and all our gear. We were enroute from Monument Valley,
Utah, to The Rock House, Oregon, 6 miles south of Burns Junction, Oregon. I
must mention that it was exciting flying in this rugged terrain and the
airstrips. One does not get bored flying in this part of the country.
Training helps when flying under these conditions. I have been flying out
of a 750 grass airstrip with poor approach and departure for the last 24
years. Folks that fly out of large airports with paved strips are a little
more intimidated than us country boys.
john h
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lucien
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Location: santa fe, NM
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:38 am Post subject: Re: Flying Idaho's Back Country USFS Airstrips 2008 |
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| John Hauck wrote: | > That runway looks like a place fit for only a Helicopter... How long was
it ? How much of it did you need to get off the ground. In the video,
looks like the Cessna had to dive for airspeed once over the edge, did you
feel anything like that in your Kolb ?
Mike:
Airnav has airport info on Soldiers Bar and the other USFS airstrips in
Idaho.
http://www.airnav.com/airport/85U
John W's Kolbra and my MKIII had no problems operating in and out of any of
the back country airstrips. Also, we were flying at max gross weight,
loaded up with fuel and all our gear. We were enroute from Monument Valley,
Utah, to The Rock House, Oregon, 6 miles south of Burns Junction, Oregon. I
must mention that it was exciting flying in this rugged terrain and the
airstrips. One does not get bored flying in this part of the country.
Training helps when flying under these conditions. I have been flying out
of a 750 grass airstrip with poor approach and departure for the last 24
years. Folks that fly out of large airports with paved strips are a little
more intimidated than us country boys.
john h
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I was thinking the only kind of plane I'd want to fly into a strip like that would be a Kolb, and even then preferably with some larger tundra-like tires.......
I flew my ultralight off a farm strip for several years and some of the runways were basically, like, in the yard by the hangar. Maybe 600' of landing area and that was about it. The other was a hill with large trees at the end, but that one was probably close to 1000'.
If I had that strip to do over again, and I'd do it in a heartbeat because it was a blast, it'd only be a Kolb....... 
LS
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:11 am Post subject: Flying Idaho's Back Country USFS Airstrips 2008 |
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Good morning John,
Was there last summer in a C180. Looks very decieving from the air. You are landing up a fairly steep hill. On a 1-10 roughness scale, about an 8.
Fantastic fishing if you are in to such endeavours.
Bob
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> Check out Dewey Moore strip next time.
> Bob
Bob:
Have you landed there?
john h
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JetPilot
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:10 am Post subject: Re: Flying Idaho's Back Country USFS Airstrips 2008 |
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Those strips look exciting, much too exciting for me ! Here in Florida the biggest hill I have to worry about is the trash hill, and nice long runways make taking off and landing very relaxing 
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:17 am Post subject: Re: Flying Idaho's Back Country USFS Airstrips 2008 |
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My flying partner that day was also at max gross weight, with 2 people and fuel, I had to circle and make sure he was able to get off the ground OK
Mike
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:37 am Post subject: Flying Idaho's Back Country USFS Airstrips 2008 |
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When a you can become airborne by the time you get to the top of the
number nine, isn't a runway like THAT rather insulting to a KOLB
airplane ? <grin>
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