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thesupe(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 6:35 pm Post subject: door handle questions

Well here I am back again C thanks to everyone who takes the time to answer the questions.  

 Once again I have parts that are not covered by my manual for my Kitfox 4.  In the manual 

 I have C it shows an older (I think) style door handle and that does me no good.  I'll attach a

  couple of pics of the parts I have C I know if I see a picture of them in action it will all be clear C 

 but right now I can't figure how they go togeather.  Thanks again for all  the help.  Jim Chuk   Kitfox 4  MN

     

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Tom Jones

Joined: 12 Mar 2006
Posts: 752
Location: Ellensburg, WA

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:20 pm Post subject: Re: door handle questions

Jim,

I just happen to have a couple door handle pictures handy.  The instructions say to install it half way between the front of the seat and the front door post.  You can see mine is installed at the center of the door.  A little difficult to open in a hurry if someone isn't familiar with my Kitfox, but holds both front and rear of the door closed tight.



Also note the "Striker plate that is epoxied to the fuselage tube.

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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA

pwmac(at)sisna.com
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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:35 pm Post subject: door handle questions

Most of us just throw away that unit and buy a proper one from Merl Williams

Paul

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At 08:32 PM 7/26/2008, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Well here I am back again, thanks to everyone who takes the time to 

answer the questions.

Once again I have parts that are not covered by my manual for my 

Kitfox 4.  In the manual

I have, it shows an older (I think) style door handle and that does 

me no good.  I'll attach a

  couple of pics of the parts I have, I know if I see a picture of 

 them in action it will all be clear,

but right now I can't figure how they go togeather.  Thanks again 

for all  the help.  Jim Chuk   Kitfox 4  MN

Guy Buchanan

Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 1204
Location: Ramona, CA

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:20 pm Post subject: door handle questions

At 08:28 PM 7/26/2008, paul wilson wrote:

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		  Most of us just throw away that unit and buy a proper one from Merl Williams


	


Actually I could never get Murle's to work properly. I made my own.

Guy Buchanan

San Diego, CA

K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.

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Deceased K-IV 1200
A glider pilot too.

larry huntley

Joined: 19 Jul 2008
Posts: 149

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:39 pm Post subject: door handle questions

Tom,

  I made my own. Looks just like the one in the forwarded pix.Mine must have 

been an earlier model( 92 ) and had a bar from front to back. Like the one I 

made much better. Working fine for 500 hrs. Can send pix of mine if you 

still can't figure out how to mount it.  Larry Huntley



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EA81,AMAX Redrive Warp 3 blade

thesupe(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:41 pm Post subject: door handle questions

Thanks Tom for the pictures C all clear now.  With the 3 countersunk holes in the inside part of the door handle C  it looked to me like it must be rivited to something C Why else would the holes be there??  Just to confuse me I guess.  Thanks to all again C I'll check out Merle's also  Thanks again C  Jim Chuk  Kitfox 4  Mn



[quote] Subject: Re: door handle questions

 From: nahsikhs(at)elltel.net

 Date: Sat C 26 Jul 2008 20:20:44 -0700

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 

 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs(at)elltel.net>

 

 Jim C

 I just happen to have a couple door handle pictures handy. The instructions say to install it half way between the front of the seat and the front door post. You can see mine is installed at the center of the door. A little difficult to open in a hurry if someone isn't familiar with my Kitfox C but holds both front and rear of the door closed tight.

 

 Also note the "Striker plate that is epoxied to the fuselage tube.

 

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 Tom Jones

 Classic IV

 503 Rotax C 72 inch Two blade Warp

 Ellensburg C WA

 

 

 

 

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Tom Jones

Joined: 12 Mar 2006
Posts: 752
Location: Ellensburg, WA

Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:08 am Post subject: Re: door handle questions

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		  With the 3 countersunk holes in the inside part of the door handle Cï¿½ it looked to me like it must be rivited to something C Why else would the holes be there?? 	




Jim, the large hole is to attach a round knob.  The two small holes the instructions say to match drill through into the "Saddle" where you install the plastic "Detent rivet".  I didn't do any of that.



One important note is the instructions emphasize to epoxy the striker plate on to the fuselage tubing.  Do not drill and rivet for structural reasons.

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503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA

lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:57 am Post subject: door handle questions

I guess it really hurts to find out after all this time that I was seriously 

out of the loop.  I used the factory handle and absolutely never had any 

issues with it what-so-ever.  I wish I had known I did it all wrong.  The 

only change from Tom's installation was to place the striker plate butting 

against the front edge of the seat pan.  I am sure it isn't as much fun 

checking for proper door closure when accompanied by that rare sweet young 

thing, but it worked for me.



The other optional latch available at the time was the double pin door latch 

that came with the speedster.  That apparently didn't work well as the 

bottom of the door would spring open a bit because the double pin thing was 

mid door fore and aft.



Lowell



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thesupe(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:42 pm Post subject: door handle questions

Thank you Lowell and everyone else for the answers to my questions about the door handles.  Thanks C  Jim Chuk



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[quote] From: lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: door handle questions

 Date: Sun C 27 Jul 2008 07:52:52 -0700

 

 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net>

 

 I guess it really hurts to find out after all this time that I was seriously 

 out of the loop. I used the factory handle and absolutely never had any 

 issues with it what-so-ever. I wish I had known I did it all wrong. The 

 only change from Tom's installation was to place the striker plate butting 

 against the front edge of the seat pan. I am sure it isn't as much fun 

 checking for proper door closure when accompanied by that rare sweet young 

 thing C but it worked for me.

 

 The other optional latch available at the time was the double pin door latch 

 that came with the speedster. That apparently didn't work well as the 

 bottom of the door would spring open a bit because the double pin thing was 

 mid door fore and aft.

 

 Lowell

 

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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:17 am Post subject: door handle questions

The detent rivets help hold the handle in position when opened, and  

also when closed. The plastic rivet heads wear out after a  

while...mine did...but if you are careful  to not let the door bang  

shut with the inside handle lowered so as to hit the fabric, you  

shouldn't have a problem.

Someone mentioned figuring out how to open the door from the outside  

in case of emergency....my tech inspector insisted that I get...and I  

did...placards from Spruce that read "open" with an arrow showing  

rotation direction. These can be applied from inside, and they are a  

sure way to keep some excited ambulance worker from ruining your  

door...that is in case YOU haven't ruined it already. : )

Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster

Jabiru 2200

Status: flying w/557+ hrs

On Jul 27, 2008, at 9:08 AM, Tom Jones wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

> With the 3 countersunk holes in the inside part of the door handle  

> Cï¿½ it looked to me like it must be rivited to something C Why  

> else would the holes be there??

 Jim, the large hole is to attach a round knob.  The two small holes  

 the instructions say to match drill through into the "Saddle" where  

 you install the plastic "Detent rivet".  I didn't do any of that.

 One important note is the instructions emphasize to epoxy the  

 striker plate on to the fuselage tubing.  Do not drill and rivet  

 for structural reasons.

 --------

 Tom Jones

 Classic IV

 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp

 Ellensburg, WA

 Read this topic online here:

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195176#195176

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Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:24 am Post subject: door handle questions

I love my double pin latch. I feel very secure with it because you  

can really lurch against it and it feels very solidly engaged when  

closed. I also had the lower latch and installed it too, as I had  

heard of others having the door "suck out" at the bottom...this can  

be a nuisance in the wintertime.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster

Jabiru 2200

Status: flying w/557+ hrs





On Jul 27, 2008, at 10:52 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote:



[quote] 

 <lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net>



 I guess it really hurts to find out after all this time that I was  

 seriously out of the loop.  I used the factory handle and  

 absolutely never had any issues with it what-so-ever.  I wish I had  

 known I did it all wrong.  The only change from Tom's installation  

 was to place the striker plate butting against the front edge of  

 the seat pan.  I am sure it isn't as much fun checking for proper  

 door closure when accompanied by that rare sweet young thing, but  

 it worked for me.



 The other optional latch available at the time was the double pin  

 door latch that came with the speedster.  That apparently didn't  

 work well as the bottom of the door would spring open a bit because  

 the double pin thing was mid door fore and aft.



 Lowell



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Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

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