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Dave(at)AirCraftersLLC.co
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 Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:06 am Post subject: Window Trouble |
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Last week we bought a canopy cover from Van's. We used it in Eastern Oregon a few days later, and when the plane got back to Watsonville, we found the left rear window had gotten hot enough to distort pretty severly. Bummer.
In the picture, the reflection of the hangar in the door window is how it should look. The back window is toasted.
I know that the polished wings sometimes reflect back towards the fuselage, but I had no idea that the heat could be so intense. I think the cover may have helped trap the heat, but I don't have any proof. The factory seems to think it would have been worse without it. They talked about a polished RV-4 that melted its canopy once. But ours has been outside for almost a year now in some pretty hot, sunny climates without any issues, until the cover went on.
As a bit of trivia, I just checked and found that the upper wing surface aft of the spar is slightly concave, unlike an RV-6 we have in the hangar, which is convex. With the flaps fully retracted, the concavity is more pronounced. Now if I could just harness all that solar-collecting power...
Now I get to see just how easy that Sil-Pruf comes off.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:43 am Post subject: Window Trouble |
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Seems like you were pretty unlucky to have the plane parked in such a position to allow the sun to hit the wing and reflect that back up onto the rear window...really C that sucks.
So what you are saying is C perhaps white paint on the wings would help prevent that.
A white canopy cover is a must.
If able C park the plane with the nose or tail to the East or West.
Thank you for sharing these unknown mind fields.
A couple of weeks ago I ran over a 3/8" bolt with my car tire and got a flat. While changing the tire I wonderred how a bolt could find its' way to balancing on its head C thus allowing it to go through my tire.
The next day starting my bike ride I saw the same size bolt in a completely different location balancing on its' head. I thought that was pretty funny C but then again C I was able to avoid it this time.
John G. 409
From: Dave(at)AirCraftersLLC.com
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Window Trouble
Date: Wed C 16 Jul 2008 10:00:19 -0700
Last week we bought a canopy cover from Van's. We used it in Eastern Oregon a few days later C and when the plane got back to Watsonville C we found the left rear window had gotten hot enough to distort pretty severly. Bummer.
In the picture C the reflection of the hangar in the door window is how it should look. The back window is toasted.
I know that the polished wings sometimes reflect back towards the fuselage C but I had no idea that the heat could be so intense. I think the cover may have helped trap the heat C but I don't have any proof. The factory seems to think it would have been worse without it. They talked about a polished RV-4 that melted its canopy once. But ours has been outside for almost a year now in some pretty hot C sunny climates without any issues C until the cover went on.
As a bit of trivia C I just checked and found that the upper wing surface aft of the spar is slightly concave C unlike an RV-6 we have in the hangar C which is convex. With the flaps fully retracted C the concavity is more pronounced. Now if I could just harness all that solar-collecting power...
Now I get to see just how easy that Sil-Pruf comes off.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville C CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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AV8ORJWC
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Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:11 pm Post subject: Window Trouble |
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Dave, since you are classifying your existing pilots rear side window as Salvage, have you considered making a positive compound curve of the opposite pane, using an IR lamp (at proper distance) and having an assistant use a handheld temperature gun to monitor threshold temperature as you approach flexibility? Tap Plastics can advise on the process (which they use for forming). You should be able to recreate the opposite force and return the distortion to a "Near" virgin state.
The experiment would be valuable to the rest of us before we all learn of Sli-Pruf during removal.
Whose cover did you use, what cloth material and what color created this challenge?
John Cox
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:00 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Window Trouble
Last week we bought a canopy cover from Van's. We used it in Eastern Oregon a few days later, and when the plane got back to Watsonville, we found the left rear window had gotten hot enough to distort pretty severly. Bummer.
In the picture, the reflection of the hangar in the door window is how it should look. The back window is toasted.
I know that the polished wings sometimes reflect back towards the fuselage, but I had no idea that the heat could be so intense. I think the cover may have helped trap the heat, but I don't have any proof. The factory seems to think it would have been worse without it. They talked about a polished RV-4 that melted its canopy once. But ours has been outside for almost a year now in some pretty hot, sunny climates without any issues, until the cover went on.
As a bit of trivia, I just checked and found that the upper wing surface aft of the spar is slightly concave, unlike an RV-6 we have in the hangar, which is convex. With the flaps fully retracted, the concavity is more pronounced. Now if I could just harness all that solar-collecting power...
Now I get to see just how easy that Sil-Pruf comes off.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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Dave(at)AirCraftersLLC.co
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:36 am Post subject: Window Trouble |
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John,
Sounds like a hoot! But I want to get this done before OSH so I'll probably just replace it.
The cover is the thin, light grey cover, purchased from Vans. I think it may be from Avery.
Thinking this through and discussing it at length, I see two options: paint the wings, or put some kind of insulation inside the cover. Neither one thrills me.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 7:06 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Window Trouble
Dave, since you are classifying your existing pilots rear side window as Salvage, have you considered making a positive compound curve of the opposite pane, using an IR lamp (at proper distance) and having an assistant use a handheld temperature gun to monitor threshold temperature as you approach flexibility? Tap Plastics can advise on the process (which they use for forming). You should be able to recreate the opposite force and return the distortion to a "Near" virgin state.
The experiment would be valuable to the rest of us before we all learn of Sli-Pruf during removal.
Whose cover did you use, what cloth material and what color created this challenge?
John Cox
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:00 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Window Trouble
Last week we bought a canopy cover from Van's. We used it in Eastern Oregon a few days later, and when the plane got back to Watsonville, we found the left rear window had gotten hot enough to distort pretty severly. Bummer.
In the picture, the reflection of the hangar in the door window is how it should look. The back window is toasted.
I know that the polished wings sometimes reflect back towards the fuselage, but I had no idea that the heat could be so intense. I think the cover may have helped trap the heat, but I don't have any proof. The factory seems to think it would have been worse without it. They talked about a polished RV-4 that melted its canopy once. But ours has been outside for almost a year now in some pretty hot, sunny climates without any issues, until the cover went on.
As a bit of trivia, I just checked and found that the upper wing surface aft of the spar is slightly concave, unlike an RV-6 we have in the hangar, which is convex. With the flaps fully retracted, the concavity is more pronounced. Now if I could just harness all that solar-collecting power...
Now I get to see just how easy that Sil-Pruf comes off.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:59 am Post subject: Window Trouble |
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Here is what I will be using for a cover. These are really high quality and I have had one for my sailplane for years.
http://www.jaxida.dk/welcome.htm
John G.
From: Dave(at)AirCraftersLLC.com
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Subject: RE: Window Trouble
Date: Thu C 17 Jul 2008 10:27:01 -0700
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Sounds like a hoot! But I want to get this done before OSH so I'll probably just replace it.
The cover is the thin C light grey cover C purchased from Vans. I think it may be from Avery.
Thinking this through and discussing it at length C I see two options: paint the wings C or put some kind of insulation inside the cover. Neither one thrills me.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville C CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox
Sent: Wednesday C July 16 C 2008 7:06 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Window Trouble
Dave C since you are classifying your existing pilots rear side window as Salvage C have you considered making a positive compound curve of the opposite pane C using an IR lamp (at proper distance) and having an assistant use a handheld temperature gun to monitor threshold temperature as you approach flexibility? Tap Plastics can advise on the process (which they use for forming). You should be able to recreate the opposite force and return the distortion to a "Near" virgin state.
The experiment would be valuable to the rest of us before we all learn of Sli-Pruf during removal.
Whose cover did you use C what cloth material and what color created this challenge?
John Cox
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: Wednesday C July 16 C 2008 10:00 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Window Trouble
Last week we bought a canopy cover from Van's. We used it in Eastern Oregon a few days later C and when the plane got back to Watsonville C we found the left rear window had gotten hot enough to distort pretty severly. Bummer.
In the picture C the reflection of the hangar in the door window is how it should look. The back window is toasted.
I know that the polished wings sometimes reflect back towards the fuselage C but I had no idea that the heat could be so intense. I think the cover may have helped trap the heat C but I don't have any proof. The factory seems to think it would have been worse without it. They talked about a polished RV-4 that melted its canopy once. But ours has been outside for almost a year now in some pretty hot C sunny climates without any issues C until the cover went on.
As a bit of trivia C I just checked and found that the upper wing surface aft of the spar is slightly concave C unlike an RV-6 we have in the hangar C which is convex. With the flaps fully retracted C the concavity is more pronounced. Now if I could just harness all that solar-collecting power...
Now I get to see just how easy that Sil-Pruf comes off.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville C CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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rv10(at)sinkrate.com
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:50 pm Post subject: Window Trouble |
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Dave,
Have you replaced/removed the window yet? How did the silpruf work out?
-Ben
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:00 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Window Trouble
Last week we bought a canopy cover from Van's. We used it in Eastern Oregon a few days later, and when the plane got back to Watsonville, we found the left rear window had gotten hot enough to distort pretty severly. Bummer.
In the picture, the reflection of the hangar in the door window is how it should look. The back window is toasted.
I know that the polished wings sometimes reflect back towards the fuselage, but I had no idea that the heat could be so intense. I think the cover may have helped trap the heat, but I don't have any proof. The factory seems to think it would have been worse without it. They talked about a polished RV-4 that melted its canopy once. But ours has been outside for almost a year now in some pretty hot, sunny climates without any issues, until the cover went on.
As a bit of trivia, I just checked and found that the upper wing surface aft of the spar is slightly concave, unlike an RV-6 we have in the hangar, which is convex. With the flaps fully retracted, the concavity is more pronounced. Now if I could just harness all that solar-collecting power...
Now I get to see just how easy that Sil-Pruf comes off.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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Dave(at)AirCraftersLLC.co
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:35 pm Post subject: Window Trouble |
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Nope, the plane is flying too much to take it down long enough. Looks like I get to show it off next week 
Dave
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 3:45 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Window Trouble
Dave,
Have you replaced/removed the window yet? How did the silpruf work out?
-Ben
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:00 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Window Trouble
Last week we bought a canopy cover from Van's. We used it in Eastern Oregon a few days later, and when the plane got back to Watsonville, we found the left rear window had gotten hot enough to distort pretty severly. Bummer.
In the picture, the reflection of the hangar in the door window is how it should look. The back window is toasted.
I know that the polished wings sometimes reflect back towards the fuselage, but I had no idea that the heat could be so intense. I think the cover may have helped trap the heat, but I don't have any proof. The factory seems to think it would have been worse without it. They talked about a polished RV-4 that melted its canopy once. But ours has been outside for almost a year now in some pretty hot, sunny climates without any issues, until the cover went on.
As a bit of trivia, I just checked and found that the upper wing surface aft of the spar is slightly concave, unlike an RV-6 we have in the hangar, which is convex. With the flaps fully retracted, the concavity is more pronounced. Now if I could just harness all that solar-collecting power...
Now I get to see just how easy that Sil-Pruf comes off.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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