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ElleryWeld(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:34 am Post subject: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight

I Just had  the aileron Linkeage that  connects  to the bottom of the Pilot side stick brake on me yesterday   in pretty windy conditions The kitfox flies pretty good  without Aileron  input though and I was able to fly it to the airport I was headed to and land  with a slight cross wind but I was pretty busy with the rudder at times  

  I just thought I would post this so all of you  could inspect your Linkeage  before you lose your aileron controll in  flight like what happened to me yesterday 

  

 Ellery in Maine 

 do not archive

  

  In a message dated 7/27/2008 9:12:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  nahsikhs(at)elltel.net writes:

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		  -->    Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tom Jones"    <nahsikhs(at)elltel.net>

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		   With the 3 countersunk holes in    the inside part of the door handle Cï¿½ it looked to me like it must be    rivited to something C Why else would the holes be there??


	




Jim, the    large hole is to attach a round knob.  The two small holes the    instructions say to match drill through into the "Saddle" where you install    the plastic "Detent rivet".  I didn't do any of that.



One    important note is the instructions emphasize to epoxy the striker plate on to    the fuselage tubing.  Do not drill and rivet for structural    reasons.



--------

Tom Jones

Classic IV

503 Rotax, 72 inch Two    blade Warp

Ellensburg, WA





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Tom Jones

Joined: 12 Mar 2006
Posts: 752
Location: Ellensburg, WA

Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:51 am Post subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight

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		  I Just had the aileron Linkeage that connects to the bottom of the Pilot side stick brake on me yesterday 	




Ellery, was it the rod end or the clevis bolt that failed?  I just checked and see that the clevis bold will have to be removed to be inspected.



Good Job on landing with no aileron control.

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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA

larry huntley

Joined: 19 Jul 2008
Posts: 149

Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:35 am Post subject: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight

Wow!! Great job Ellery. I would like to think I could do the  same in an extreme situation,but I am not real sure. Thanx for the heads up and  good luck with the repair. Larry Huntley 4-1200,Soob, 500hrs

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Kitfox 4-1200 N234EE
EA81,AMAX Redrive Warp 3 blade

msm_9949(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:48 am Post subject: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight

Whoa, Ellery. Major pucker factor! Can you post a pic of the broken linkage? 

  

do not archive 

  

Marco Menezes N99KX 

Model 2 582-90 C-Box



--- On Sun, 7/27/08, ElleryWeld(at)aol.com <ElleryWeld(at)aol.com> wrote:

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		  From: ElleryWeld(at)aol.com <ElleryWeld(at)aol.com>

Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 9:27 AM



  I Just had  the aileron Linkeage that connects  to the bottom of the Pilot side stick brake on me yesterday  in pretty windy conditions The kitfox flies pretty good  without Aileron input though and I was able to fly it to the airport I was headed to and land with a slight cross wind but I was pretty busy with the rudder at times 

  I just thought I would post this so all of you could inspect your Linkeage  before you lose your aileron controll in flight like what happened to me yesterday 

  

 Ellery in Maine 

 do not archive

  

  In a message dated 7/27/2008 9:12:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, nahsikhs(at)elltel.net writes:

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		  --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs(at)elltel.net>

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		   With the 3 countersunk holes in the inside part of the door handle Cï¿½ it looked to me like it must be rivited to something C Why else would the holes be there??


	




Jim, the large hole is to attach a round knob.  The two small holes the instructions say to match drill through into the "Saddle" where you install the plastic "Detent rivet".  I didn't do any of that.



One important note is the instructions emphasize to epoxy the striker plate on to the fuselage tubing.  Do not drill and rivet for structural reasons.



--------

Tom Jones

Classic IV

503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp

Ellensburg, WA





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Fox5flyer
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:50 am Post subject: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight

You didn't say what your model Fox was, Ellery.  I know  the Kitfox will fly without aileron control, but just the fact that you were  able to land without damage says a lot for your composure and flying  skills.

 Thanks for the report.

 Deke Morisse

Mikado Michigan

S5/Subaru/CAP 382+  TT

"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but  progress."

- Joseph Joubert

  

 

 

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ElleryWeld(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:15 am Post subject: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight

It was the Threaded part of the rod end that broke in  the threads 

  

 Ellery

  

  In a message dated 7/27/2008 10:55:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  nahsikhs(at)elltel.net writes:

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		  -->    Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tom Jones"    <nahsikhs(at)elltel.net>

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		   I Just had the aileron Linkeage    that connects to the bottom of the Pilot side stick brake on me    yesterday


	




Ellery, was it the rod end or the clevis bolt that    failed?  I just checked and see that the clevis bold will have to be    removed to be inspected.



Good Job on landing with no aileron    control.



--------

Tom Jones

Classic IV

503 Rotax, 72 inch Two    blade Warp

Ellensburg, WA





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ElleryWeld(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:16 am Post subject: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight

where do I get my test pilot patch ?  ......LOL

  

  In a message dated 7/27/2008 11:36:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  asq(at)roadrunner.com writes:

 [quote]   Wow!! Great job Ellery. I would like to think I could do the    same in an extreme situation,but I am not real sure. Thanx for the heads up    and good luck with the repair. Larry Huntley 4-1200,Soob, 500hrs

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ElleryWeld(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:17 am Post subject: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight

I will get a pic of the broken Link the next time I go  to the airport and post it      

  

 Ellery

  

  In a message dated 7/27/2008 11:50:10 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  msm_9949(at)yahoo.com writes:

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Whoa, Ellery. Major pucker factor! Can you post a pic of the broken          linkage?         

          

do not archive         

          

Marco Menezes N99KX         

Model 2 582-90 C-Box



--- On Sun, 7/27/08,          ElleryWeld(at)aol.com <ElleryWeld(at)aol.com> wrote:

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		  From:            ElleryWeld(at)aol.com <ElleryWeld(at)aol.com>

Subject: Re:            Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight

To:            kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 9:27            AM



                      I Just had  the aileron Linkeage that            connects  to the bottom of the Pilot side stick brake on me            yesterday  in pretty windy conditions The kitfox flies pretty            good  without Aileron input though and I was able to fly it to            the airport I was headed to and land with a slight cross wind but I            was pretty busy with the rudder at times 

            I just thought I would post this so            all of you could inspect your Linkeage  before you lose your            aileron controll in flight like what happened to me yesterday            

            

           Ellery in Maine 

           do not archive

            

                      In a message dated 7/27/2008 9:12:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,            nahsikhs(at)elltel.net writes:

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		  --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tom Jones"              <nahsikhs(at)elltel.net>

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		   With the 3 countersunk              holes in the inside part of the door handle Cï¿½ it looked to me              like it must be rivited to something C Why else would the holes be              there??


	




Jim, the large hole is to attach a round              knob.  The two small holes the instructions say to match drill              through into the "Saddle" where you install the plastic "Detent              rivet".  I didn't do any of that.



One important note is              the instructions emphasize to epoxy the striker plate on to the              fuselage tubing.  Do not drill and rivet for structural              reasons.



--------

Tom Jones

Classic IV

503 Rotax, 72              inch Two blade Warp

Ellensburg, WA





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ElleryWeld(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:18 am Post subject: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight

it was on a model 2 Kitfox 

  

 Ellery

  

  In a message dated 7/27/2008 11:52:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  fox5flyer(at)idealwifi.net writes:

 [quote]   You didn't say what your model Fox was, Ellery.  I know    the Kitfox will fly without aileron control, but just the fact that you were    able to land without damage says a lot for your composure and flying    skills.

   Thanks for the report.

   Deke Morisse

Mikado Michigan

S5/Subaru/CAP 382+    TT

"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but    progress."

- Joseph Joubert

    

   

 

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matronics(at)bob.brennan.
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:34 am Post subject: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight

"I know the Kitfox will fly without aileron  control"

 Wouldn't the  aileron (flaperons) fall into a random RIP attitude without linkage? I know  the tail can do pitch, yaw, and especially in the Model 2 more roll than most,  but what about the flaperons that are flaperoning in the  breeze?

  

 And kudos to  Ellery for bringng her in for fixes and discussion!

  

  Bob Brennan

 1991 UK Model 2.x Kitfox

 Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop

 Wrightsville Pa  

   From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of  fox5flyer

Sent: 27 July 2008 11:49 am

To:  kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron  Controll in Flight 

 

 You didn't say what your model Fox was, Ellery.  I know  the Kitfox will fly without aileron control, but just the fact that you were  able to land without damage says a lot for your composure and flying  skills.

 Thanks for the report.

 Deke Morisse

Mikado Michigan

S5/Subaru/CAP 382+  TT

"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but  progress."

- Joseph Joubert

  

 

 

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7suds(at)Chartermi.net
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 12:50 pm Post subject: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight

Bob,  

I think what Ellery said was that the linkage broke at the control stick which would mean the flapperons themselves would still be connected to the mixer but froze in whatever position they were left when the linkage separated from the control stick. I once broke the bolt that attached the elevator control to the stick in a Mini-Max, I was on final when it snapped and had to flare with throttle, I guess when you are in the middle of it you just react.  

Lloyd C  

KF 5-912 IFA-IVO  

Still Working On It  

       

From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan

 Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 11:32 AM

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight   

  

  

   

"I know the Kitfox will fly without aileron control"  

Wouldn't the aileron (flaperons) fall into a random RIP attitude without linkage? I know the tail can do pitch, yaw, and especially in the Model 2 more roll than most, but what about the flaperons that are flaperoning in the breeze?  

   

And kudos to Ellery for bringng her in for fixes and discussion!  

     

Bob Brennan  

    

1991 UK Model 2.x Kitfox  

    

Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop  

    

Wrightsville Pa   

  

       

  

From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer

 Sent: 27 July 2008 11:49 am

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight     

You didn't say what your model Fox was, Ellery.  I know the Kitfox will fly without aileron control, but just the fact that you were able to land without damage says a lot for your composure and flying skills.  

    

Thanks for the report.  

    

Deke Morisse

 Mikado Michigan

 S5/Subaru/CAP 382+ TT

 "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."

 - Joseph Joubert  

    

   

    



    

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matronics(at)bob.brennan.
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 4:27 pm Post subject: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight

I suppose that with the control pressure released the  flaperons return to roll-neutral? That would be a "good thing"! I know the Model  2 was famous, actually infamous, for not returning to yaw-neutral without stick  pressure and that was corrected as the models progressed. 

  

 I also noticed looking through my log-books that the  horizontal stabiliser trim tab is a UK mod to a Model 2, as were the notches in  the flap setting handle. I wondered why listers talk about trimming for pitch  with the flap setting... The trim tab is very effective and I wouldn't want to  be without it.

  

   

Bob  Brennan

  

1991 UK  Model 2 Kitfox 

  

Rotax  582 with 3 blade prop

  

Wrightsville  Pa  

   From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of  Cudnohufsky's

Sent: 27 July 2008 4:48 pm

To:  kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron  Controll in Flight 

 

  

Bob, 

I think what  Ellery said was that the linkage broke at the control stick which would mean the  flapperons themselves would still be connected to the mixer but froze in  whatever position they were left when the linkage separated from the control  stick. I once broke the bolt that attached the elevator control to the stick in  a Mini-Max, I was on final when it snapped and had to flare with throttle, I  guess when you are in the middle of it you just react. 

Lloyd  C 

KF 5-912  IFA-IVO 

Still Working On  It 

    

From:  owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob  Brennan

Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 11:32 AM

To:  kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron  Controll in Flight 



 

  

"I know  the Kitfox will fly without aileron control" 

Wouldn't  the aileron (flaperons) fall into a random RIP attitude without linkage? I  know the tail can do pitch, yaw, and especially in the Model 2 more roll than  most, but what about the flaperons that are flaperoning in the  breeze? 

  

And  kudos to Ellery for bringng her in for fixes and discussion! 

   

Bob  Brennan

  

1991 UK  Model 2.x Kitfox

  

Rotax  582 with 3 blade prop

  

Wrightsville  Pa  

 

    

 

From:  owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of  fox5flyer

Sent: 27 July 2008 11:49 am

To:  kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron  Controll in Flight   

You  didn't say what your model Fox was, Ellery.  I know the Kitfox will fly  without aileron control, but just the fact that you were able to land without  damage says a lot for your composure and flying skills.

  

Thanks  for the report.

  

Deke  Morisse

Mikado Michigan

S5/Subaru/CAP 382+ TT

"The aim of an argument  or discussion should not be victory, but progress."

- Joseph  Joubert

  

 

  



 

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-----    Original Message ----- 

      

From: ElleryWeld(at)aol.com (ElleryWeld(at)aol.com)    

      

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com)    

      

Sent:    Sunday, July 27, 2008 9:27 AM

      

Subject: Re:    Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight 

      

 

      

I    Just had  the aileron Linkeage that connects  to the bottom of the    Pilot side stick brake on me yesterday  in pretty windy conditions The    kitfox flies pretty good  without Aileron input though and I was able to    fly it to the airport I was headed to and land with a slight cross wind but I    was pretty busy with the rudder at times 

      

 I    just thought I would post this so all of you could inspect your Linkeage     before you lose your aileron controll in flight like what happened to me    yesterday 

      

 

      

Ellery    in Maine 

      

do    not archive

      

 

         

In    a message dated 7/27/2008 9:12:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,    nahsikhs(at)elltel.net writes:

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-->      Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tom Jones"      <nahsikhs(at)elltel.net>

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		   With the 3 countersunk holes in      the inside part of the door handle Cï¿½ it looked to me like it must be      rivited to something C Why else would the holes be there??


	




Jim,      the large hole is to attach a round knob.  The two small holes the      instructions say to match drill through into the "Saddle" where you install      the plastic "Detent rivet".  I didn't do any of that.



One      important note is the instructions emphasize to epoxy the striker plate on      to the fuselage tubing.  Do not drill and rivet for structural      reasons.



--------

Tom Jones

Classic IV

503 Rotax, 72 inch      Two blade Warp

Ellensburg, WA





Read this topic online      here:



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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:35 pm Post subject: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight

Here is a Pic  of the aileron control linkage  that failed I hope this will save someone else from having the same experience I  had 

 Ellery in Maine

  

 

 

  In a message dated 7/27/2008 12:36:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  matronics(at)bob.brennan.name writes:

 [quote]   "I know the Kitfox will fly without aileron    control"

   Wouldn't    the aileron (flaperons) fall into a random RIP attitude without linkage?    I know the tail can do pitch, yaw, and especially in the Model 2 more roll    than most, but what about the flaperons that are flaperoning in the    breeze?

    

   And kudos    to Ellery for bringng her in for fixes and discussion!

    

      Bob Brennan

   1991 UK Model 2.x Kitfox

   Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop

   Wrightsville Pa    

         From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com    [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of    fox5flyer

Sent: 27 July 2008 11:49 am

To:    kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron    Controll in Flight 

   

   You didn't say what your model Fox was, Ellery.  I know    the Kitfox will fly without aileron control, but just the fact that you were    able to land without damage says a lot for your composure and flying    skills.

   Thanks for the report.

   Deke Morisse

Mikado Michigan

S5/Subaru/CAP 382+    TT

"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but    progress."

- Joseph Joubert

    

   

 

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Tom Jones

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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:02 pm Post subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight

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		  Here is a Pic of the aileron control linkage that failed I hope this will save someone else from having the same experience I had 

Ellery in Maine 	




Ellery, I would say either that rod end was defective or due to that particular installation it cannot rotate as the stick is moved to the extreme left and right.



There is essentially no shear force on any of the Kitfox control rods or on their rod ends.  At least on my Classic 4 that is the case.  They all just push and pull.



At preflight inspection I move the control stick to each extreme and twist the control rods at that position to see that they will rotate back and forth just a little to be sure no binding is taking place.

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503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA

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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight

That very rod end assy failed on my Kitfox III just as the wheels were coming off the ground.  I feel the reason mine failed is that I tightened the clevis bolt too much not allowing the rod end to move  freely thus binding it and bending the threaded part till it broke. Now on preflight  I always check to make sure it moves freely.

The rod end is readily available at bearing parts houses the P/N is right on the rod end its self.

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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:39 pm Post subject: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight

At 06:27 AM 7/27/2008, you wrote:

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		  I Just had  the aileron Linkeage that connects  to the bottom of the Pilot side stick brake on me yesterday  in pretty windy conditions The kitfox flies pretty good  without Aileron input though and I was able to fly it to the airport I was headed to and land with a slight cross wind but I was pretty busy with the rudder at times 	


 Good work Ellery. Saved your life. I do hope you'll post pictures and some analysis. I think this area is similar in all birds so I'd love to know what to look for.



 

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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight

I never noticed any binding in these controlls  myself  but the bolt has been cracked for a while according to the looks of  the broken area but was not visible with out a microscope being in the threaded  area 

  

 But I was wondering  why does that have a jam nut  on it if I screw the new one together without that jam nut  it can not come  apart after I get both bolts through the rod ends and it will be able to  swivel on the threads  if needed   But I am going to look at this  area  better  another day when the new parts get here  

 I don't have the building plans on this so I am not  sure what it has for details on this connection  so any advice would be  great from someone else with  plans 

  

 Ellery in Maine

  

  In a message dated 7/28/2008 11:07:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  nahsikhs(at)elltel.net writes:

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		  -->    Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tom Jones"    <nahsikhs(at)elltel.net>

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		   Here is a Pic of the aileron    control linkage that failed I hope this will save someone else from having the    same experience I had 

 Ellery in Maine 


	




Ellery, I would say    either that rod end was defective or due to that particular installation it    cannot rotate as the stick is moved to the extreme left and    right.



There is essentially no shear force on any of the Kitfox control    rods or on their rod ends.  At least on my Classic 4 that is the    case.  They all just push and pull.



At preflight inspection I move    the control stick to each extreme and twist the control rods at that position    to see that they will rotate back and forth just a little to be sure no    binding is taking place.



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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:21 pm Post subject: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight

Ellery 

The jam nut prevents the rod end rocking on the threads, if the jam nut is not  in place the threads will fatigue with the consistent rocking motion. Just adjust and lock so that the components are not binding. 

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Gary

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I never noticed any binding in these controlls myself  but the bolt has been cracked for a while according to the looks of the broken area but was not visible with out a microscope being in the threaded area  

But I was wondering  why does that have a jam nut on it if I screw the new one together without that jam nut  it can not come apart after I get both bolts through the rod ends and it will be able to swivel on the threads  if needed   But I am going to look at this area  better  another day when the new parts get here  

I don't have the building plans on this so I am not sure what it has for details on this connection  so any advice would be great from someone else with  plans  

Ellery in Maine 

In a message dated 7/28/2008 11:07:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, nahsikhs(at)elltel.net writes: 

--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs(at)elltel.net>

 > Here is a Pic of the aileron control linkage that failed I hope this will save someone else from having the same experience I had 

 > Ellery in Maine 

 Ellery, I would say either that rod end was defective or due to that particular installation it cannot rotate as the stick is moved to the extreme left and right.

 There is essentially no shear force on any of the Kitfox control rods or on their rod ends.  At least on my Classic 4 that is the case.  They all just push and pull.

 At preflight inspection I move the control stick to each extreme and twist the control rods at that position to see that they will rotate back and forth just a little to be sure no binding is taking place.

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 Ellensburg, WA

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Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:28 am Post subject: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight

Hey Marco, wanna re-think that Lake crossing again?.....this time  

with a broken aileron link? ; )  (yeah, I know...could happen anytime)



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On Jul 27, 2008, at 11:46 AM, Marco Menezes wrote:



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		   Whoa, Ellery. Major pucker factor! Can you post a pic of the broken  

 linkage?

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 Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 9:27 AM



 I Just had  the aileron Linkeage that connects  to the bottom of  

 the Pilot side stick brake on me yesterday  in pretty windy  

 conditions The kitfox flies pretty good  without Aileron input  

 though and I was able to fly it to the airport I was headed to and  

 land with a slight cross wind but I was pretty busy with the rudder  

 at times

  I just thought I would post this so all of you could inspect your  

 Linkeage  before you lose your aileron controll in flight like what  

 happened to me yesterday



 Ellery in Maine

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 In a message dated 7/27/2008 9:12:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  

 nahsikhs(at)elltel.net writes:

 

 > With the 3 countersunk holes in the inside part of the door  

 handle Cï¿½ it looked to me like it must be rivited to something C  

 Why else would the holes be there??

 Jim, the large hole is to attach a round knob.  The two small holes  

 the instructions say to match drill through into the "Saddle" where  

 you install the plastic "Detent rivet".  I didn't do any of that.



 One important note is the instructions emphasize to epoxy the  

 striker plate on to the fuselage tubing.  Do not drill and rivet  

 for structural reasons.



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Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:34 am Post subject: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight

When you post a pic, be sure to tell us exactly which part of the rod  

end, and at what point in the linkage....is this the short male-to- 

female rod end combo right at the end of the aileron control torque  

tube?



Lynn Matteson

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On Jul 27, 2008, at 12:12 PM, ElleryWeld(at)aol.com wrote:



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		   It was the Threaded part of the rod end that broke in the threads



 Ellery



 In a message dated 7/27/2008 10:55:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  

 nahsikhs(at)elltel.net writes:

 

 > I Just had the aileron Linkeage that connects to the bottom of  

 the Pilot side stick brake on me yesterday

 Ellery, was it the rod end or the clevis bolt that failed?  I just  

 checked and see that the clevis bold will have to be removed to be  

 inspected.



 Good Job on landing with no aileron control.



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