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brucejolene(at)iowateleco
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 Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 10:27 am Post subject: Modifications to the Kitfox |
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I have replaced some fabric and had a floor tube welded plus added some
instruments.
I am not the original builder.
Does an A & P mechanic have to sign off on the changes?
Bruce
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Fox5flyer
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 10:47 am Post subject: Modifications to the Kitfox |
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Absolutely, or if you can find the original builder, that person can sign it
off.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
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thesupe(at)hotmail.com
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject: Modifications to the Kitfox |
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My understanding is a bit different C the AnP is only required for the yearly conditional inspection. I believe anyone can do anything with an experimental aircraft but a major change like an engine or prop change must be reported to the FAA and the plane has to go back into phase one flight test for as long as the FAA says. Check the archives C this has come up before. I have changed engines on both of my Avids C one required a FAA inspection because it was under the old set of experimental rules C the other Avid had the newer type airworthyness cert. and no inspection was done C but both planes had to go back into phase one for 10 or 15 hrs. It doesn't sound like the work done was a major change. Jim Chuk Kitfox 4 building C Avids flying. MN
[quote] From: fox5flyer(at)idealwifi.net
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Modifications to the Kitfox
Date: Sun C 10 Aug 2008 14:47:01 -0400
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer(at)idealwifi.net>
Absolutely C or if you can find the original builder C that person can sign it
off.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 391+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory C but progress."
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Guy Buchanan
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:48 pm Post subject: Modifications to the Kitfox |
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At 07:38 PM 8/10/2008, you wrote:
| Quote: | | I believe anyone can do anything with an experimental aircraft but a major change like an engine or prop change must be reported to the FAA and the plane has to go back into phase one flight test for as long as the FAA says. |
I'm too lazy to dig out my paperwork, but my "experimental certification" documentation described when the FAA needed to get involved. (I think it was as Jim said, engine and prop.) All other modifications, not repairs, required that the plane be placed back into phase 1 flight testing for a minimum of 5 hours. The "builder", (current owner,) gets to decide how long. Repairs do not require any flight test. Hopefully you have your original paperwork. If the plane has moved, you'll have to go to the nearest FSDO for a phase 1 flight test area. The only reason you need an A&P for an experimental is to sign off the yearly conditional inspection assuming you don't have the repairman's certificate for that particular aircraft.
Finally, unless it's a major change and the FAA gets involved the only ones who care whether you do the phase 1/2 thing are your insurance company and the plaintiff's attorneys. Plenty of people skip this step, but some who have had subsequent problems staying aloft have found their insurance denied.
Guy Buchanan
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K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. [quote][b]
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dcsfoto
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| Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:30 am Post subject: Re: Modifications to the Kitfox |
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you only need an A&P to do the "condition inspection"
you need to write the FAA if you make major changes,change engine type,prop type (ground adjust to inflight adjust ect)
David
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Fox5flyer
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| Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 4:02 am Post subject: Modifications to the Kitfox |
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I guess I would look at welding in new floor tubing as a major structural change that would require an "expert" to look it over and sign off. Of course, new instruments probably wouldn't be under that. Then again, I'm not a Fed so I guess it would take a Fed to chime in on that.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 391+ TT
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Fox5flyer
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| Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 4:34 am Post subject: Modifications to the Kitfox |
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Never mind, Jim, you convinced me. I've thought about this and replacing the tubing is probably not a structural change. Only a repair and I wouldn't consider that something that needs an AP signoff. It does seem to me to be sort of a gray area that might be a good idea to bounce off the FSDO for insurance purposes. But, there I go again... 
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
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