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tdawson-townsend(at)auror
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 Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 5:48 pm Post subject: SMA Diesel |
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Chatting with the SMA Diesel guys at Fond du Lac waiting for Friday’s rain shower to blow through . . .
They hinted that they have been talking a little with Van’s about engineering an installation of the SMA diesel for the RV-10. This is a change from a few years ago when they weren’t interested in the homebuilt market.
Obviously Van’s is conservative when it comes to engines, and SMA is, too. They want to make sure any installation is pretty well wrung out. The engine has essentially been around for at least 6 years now, so they think they have a pretty mature design.
It is in their interest, obviously, but they hinted that the end of 100LL is going to accelerate now that some have picked it up as an environmental issue. (i.e. lead pollution)
Anyway, for those of you that are in the early stages of building, if you want a certified diesel with a large company behind it for support, it might behoove you to let Van’s know about your interest in the SMA diesel. The more folks that mention it to Van’s, the more motivation they have to support SMA and perhaps even setup some OEM pricing like they have on Lycomonings.
Cheers,
TDT
Tim Dawson-Townsend
Aurora Flight Sciences
tdt(at)aurora.aero (tdt(at)aurora.aero)
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
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AV8ORJWC
Joined: 13 Jul 2006
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Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"
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| Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:22 pm Post subject: SMA Diesel |
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I look forward to SMAs success in convincing VAN to consider a second engine option other than the Lycoming IO-540. I will say prayers and wish them luck for our brethren over the pond that have a hard time with 100LL avgas. I am adding Rob Hickman's 3 blade composite Hartzell to those prayers as well.
I was just getting all excited about the Lycoming TEO-540-A ie2 engine having about the same chance. I was also sorry to hear that John Delamarter is no longer with Thunderbolt.
Let's start posting about all the new vendor products to get things rolling again.
John Cox
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 6:45 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: SMA Diesel
Chatting with the SMA Diesel guys at Fond du Lac waiting for Friday’s rain shower to blow through . . .
They hinted that they have been talking a little with Van’s about engineering an installation of the SMA diesel for the RV-10. This is a change from a few years ago when they weren’t interested in the homebuilt market.
Obviously Van’s is conservative when it comes to engines, and SMA is, too. They want to make sure any installation is pretty well wrung out. The engine has essentially been around for at least 6 years now, so they think they have a pretty mature design.
It is in their interest, obviously, but they hinted that the end of 100LL is going to accelerate now that some have picked it up as an environmental issue. (i.e. lead pollution)
Anyway, for those of you that are in the early stages of building, if you want a certified diesel with a large company behind it for support, it might behoove you to let Van’s know about your interest in the SMA diesel. The more folks that mention it to Van’s, the more motivation they have to support SMA and perhaps even setup some OEM pricing like they have on Lycomonings.
Cheers,
TDT
Tim Dawson-Townsend
Aurora Flight Sciences
tdt(at)aurora.aero (tdt(at)aurora.aero)
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
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daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com
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| Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 8:06 pm Post subject: SMA Diesel |
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I was told by a rep at SMA that the retro-fit cost for a C182 is north of 100k.
Dave Leikam
RV-10 #40496
N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
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Kelly McMullen
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Location: Sun Lakes AZ
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| Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 8:34 pm Post subject: SMA Diesel |
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Aside from cost issues...that package is designed to replace a 230 hp O-470, which weigh as much as an IO-550. There would have to be some serious effort to resolve W& B issues. Also, IIRC it needs a fair amount of cooling air for the radiator...not very streamlined.
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 9:03 PM, Dave Leikam <daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com (daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com)> wrote:
[quote] I was told by a rep at SMA that the retro-fit cost for a C182 is north of 100k.
Dave Leikam
RV-10 #40496
N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
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msausen
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Location: Appleton, WI USA
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| Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:27 am Post subject: SMA Diesel |
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Interesting thing on the Hartzell 3 blade, having heard that they would have pricing available at OSH I stopped by their booth to find out how much fully expecting it to be in the 10-15k range. I was basically told they had no information and if I wanted to put it on a RV-10 I would have to get everyone to bug Van’s to carry it otherwise I was out of luck. Easier solution to me is sticking with an MT, no bugging Van’s and plenty of people from MT willing to discuss. J Guess that’s why Hartzell usually had a bunch of employees standing around talking amongst themselves every time I walked by.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 9:19 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: SMA Diesel
I look forward to SMAs success in convincing VAN to consider a second engine option other than the Lycoming IO-540. I will say prayers and wish them luck for our brethren over the pond that have a hard time with 100LL avgas. I am adding Rob Hickman's 3 blade composite Hartzell to those prayers as well.
I was just getting all excited about the Lycoming TEO-540-A ie2 engine having about the same chance. I was also sorry to hear that John Delamarter is no longer with Thunderbolt.
Let's start posting about all the new vendor products to get things rolling again.
John Cox [quote] [b]
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AV8ORJWC
Joined: 13 Jul 2006
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Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"
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| Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 6:22 pm Post subject: SMA Diesel |
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This is the same line as last year and my same experience… I thought it was just me. That post is probably is probably still in the archives. Made me give greater appreciation to Deems propeller rather than fund the continued rudeness of the Hartzell sales force.
John Cox
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 5:24 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: SMA Diesel
Interesting thing on the Hartzell 3 blade, having heard that they would have pricing available at OSH I stopped by their booth to find out how much fully expecting it to be in the 10-15k range. I was basically told they had no information and if I wanted to put it on a RV-10 I would have to get everyone to bug Van’s to carry it otherwise I was out of luck. Easier solution to me is sticking with an MT, no bugging Van’s and plenty of people from MT willing to discuss. J Guess that’s why Hartzell usually had a bunch of employees standing around talking amongst themselves every time I walked by.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 9:19 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: SMA Diesel
I look forward to SMAs success in convincing VAN to consider a second engine option other than the Lycoming IO-540. I will say prayers and wish them luck for our brethren over the pond that have a hard time with 100LL avgas. I am adding Rob Hickman's 3 blade composite Hartzell to those prayers as well.
I was just getting all excited about the Lycoming TEO-540-A ie2 engine having about the same chance. I was also sorry to hear that John Delamarter is no longer with Thunderbolt.
Let's start posting about all the new vendor products to get things rolling again.
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