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duncan1574(at)sbcglobal.n
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 Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 4:46 am Post subject: The 50 |
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I am sure that Talon will have something to say about what happened that
fateful day. From the perspective of the guy who watched the guys at ETB
practice and practice and I saw the '50' before the 360 call, it was Sierra
Hotel, dead on and a thing of beauty. Alpha and Bravo flights did the best
they could given the Airboss' command for a 360.
We can coulda, shoulda, woulda this for time immortal, however no one was
hurt, everyone recovered, and everyone has bragging rights to being part of
a great organization.
It is my desire to add the basis positions for these kind of show
formations: line abeam, show trail, and the 45 degree bearing line. Those a
pile of grease pencils and something to measure 6" with and we will be good
to go.
We have 5 years before we need to put up the '55' start practicing these
show formations now. OH YAK-5x guys, that is the same year we will need to
put up the '40'........................ (we are going to need more FAST
drivers!)
Russ 'Airboss' Dycus
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schrick(at)pacbell.net
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| Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 11:20 am Post subject: The 50 |
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Did anyone get a picture of the "50" and can they post it?
Some of us could not make it but wish we could have.
Someone please post OSH pictures please......
Mark "SHREK" Schrick
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yakplt(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 3:01 pm Post subject: The 50 |
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A debrief is all about "coulda, woulda, shoulda" and indeed that was exactly what I was asking for. In my opinion it is also a sign of a great organization, or an individual for that matter.
Mark Bitterlich
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jgriffint28(at)cox.net
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| Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 8:03 pm Post subject: The 50 |
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First of all, it may have been a little too ambitious. The T-6s made their 70 with just 18 planes. We had it reasonable in 2 practice runs with high cover giving instructions.
It would of been IMPOSSIBLE to turn in a formation of only 18 planes while in th 70. None of these planes have enough power to stay on the outside of a 6 or more plane echelon.
The reason the show was delayed for 5 minutes was that the fake air racers decided to throw in another lap which was not briefed. Since they crashed last year in their landing sequence, I guess the airshow central controller did not want to stress them.
Wayne Boggs should of had the cahones to tell them to stay below 1000 feet and land or go out over the lake and hold but their are a lots of big bucks in that heavy iron.
When Wayne told redstar lead to give him a 360 and be back in 5 minutes, he should of said "unable". Then let Wade reconsider his position. It is now his problem again as to what to do. Get 4 planes on the ground or bust up 40 in the air. Then again, it's easy to be the quarterback after the game. I have lead the T-28 formation in OSHKOSH in the past and it's not the same as most other airshows you do.
Jim Griffin
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david(at)mcgirt.net
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| Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 9:49 pm Post subject: The 50 |
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Good morning all,
Sorry for the delay in response, but I am out paying for my fuel at Oshkosh working overseas.. Anyway..
Two things for now -
1) Mark, and all make some good points, but all in all – it is about the lessons learned – there is a working document being worked on now, and will go out to all that were a part of the mission. It might go out to everyone , but that was the original intent. As with anything, this was not a simple story – thus all the simple answers are not always the right ones. A good time was had by all, but what could we have done to make it a great time by all.
2) Pictures/Video – The easiest would be to watch the clip on AeroTV Network – This is a long link, so make sure you copy and paste all of it..
http://www.aero-tv.net/index.cfm?do=app.bestView&videoid=dda53d15-fcdc-4ebd-8ca2-7b77b354c923
Or goto - http://www.aero-tv.net/ look a the bottom for the story on the nifty 50
David
On 8/10/08 12:59 AM, "Yak Pilot" <[url=yakplt(at)yahoo.com]yakplt(at)yahoo.com[/url]> wrote:
[quote]A debrief is all about "coulda, woulda, shoulda" and indeed that was exactly what I was asking for. In my opinion it is also a sign of a great organization, or an individual for that matter.
Mark Bitterlich
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yakplt(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 12:47 pm Post subject: The 50 |
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Thanks Jim.
Mark
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