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Albert Gardner

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 455
Location: Yuma, AZ

Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 5:00 pm Post subject: tires

Scott-what tubes are you using?  

Albert Gardner  

Yuma, AZ  

   

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pascal(at)rv10builder.net
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Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 5:23 pm Post subject: tires

Scott's in California so I'll respond for  him:

 I just recently replaced my main tires and tubes with Goodyear Flight  Custom III 15/6.00-6 and Leak Guard Tubes 15/6.00-6.  I'm not sure about  the difference in size but there is a difference in weight capacity between a  6.00 and a 6.00-6.  So far, so good on the tubes but I have only had them  for one month.  The tires are defiantly more beefy. 

I bought everything  through Desser and received them very quickly.  



Tires and tubes is  one area where I really didn't mind spending extra money.  My old tires  went almost 300 hours and they say the compound on the Goodyear tires are 20%  more wear resistant and the rubber thickness is quite a bit more.  Here is  some data that Dresser posts on their site.  

[url=wlmailhtml:{FBB49873-8627-4A3A-841A-E133FD78863A}mid://00000050/!x-usc:http://www.desser.com/gy_perform.html]http://www.desser.com/gy_perform.html[/url]



[url=wlmailhtml:{FBB49873-8627-4A3A-841A-E133FD78863A}mid://00000050/!x-usc:http://www.desser.com/airtubes.html]http://www.desser.com/airtubes.html[/url]

 [url=wlmailhtml:{FBB49873-8627-4A3A-841A-E133FD78863A}mid://00000050/!x-usc:http://shop.desser.com/IW_Products.m4p.pvx?;MULTI_ITEM_SUBMIT]http://shop.desser.com/IW_Products.m4p.pvx?;MULTI_ITEM_SUBMIT[/url] 



Good  luck.  

Scott Schmidt

scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com

  



  From: Albert Gardner (ibspud(at)roadrunner.com) 

 Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 5:58 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com) 

 Subject: tires

 



  

Scott-what tubes are  you using? 

Albert  Gardner 

Yuma,  AZ 

  

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On a side note, my Goodyear Flight Custom III are  wearing so much less than the stock tires.  

I now have over 125 hours  on these tires and can hardly tell they are wearing at all.  I'm very  impressed.    

Scott Schmidt

scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com (scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com)  

 

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Kelly McMullen

Joined: 16 Apr 2008
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Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 5:38 pm Post subject: tires

You can get just as much wear, if not more on a standard Desser recap,

and get 2 or 3 tires from the price of one of the GY FCIII tires. The

savings will let you buy fuel for 2-3 hours of flying. 



On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 6:21 PM, pascal <pascal(at)rv10builder.net> wrote:

[quote] Scott's in California so I'll respond for him:

 I just recently replaced my main tires and tubes with Goodyear Flight Custom

 III 15/6.00-6 and Leak Guard Tubes 15/6.00-6.  I'm not sure about the

 difference in size but there is a difference in weight capacity between a

 6.00 and a 6.00-6.  So far, so good on the tubes but I have only had them

 for one month.  The tires are defiantly more beefy.

 I bought everything through Desser and received them very quickly.



 Tires and tubes is one area where I really didn't mind spending extra

 money.  My old tires went almost 300 hours and they say the compound on the

 Goodyear tires are 20% more wear resistant and the rubber thickness is quite

 a bit more.  Here is some data that Dresser posts on their site.

 http://www.desser.com/gy_perform.html



 http://www.desser.com/airtubes.html

 http://shop.desser.com/IW_Products.m4p.pvx?;MULTI_ITEM_SUBMIT



 Good luck.



 Scott Schmidt

 scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com

 From: Albert Gardner

 Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 5:58 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: tires



 Scott-what tubes are you using?



 Albert Gardner



 Yuma, AZ



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Kelly McMullen
A&P/IA, EAA Tech Counselor
KCHD

pascal(at)rv10builder.net
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Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 7:56 pm Post subject: tires

Check out Tim's site on that review and his impressions-

http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/maintenance/20080503/index.html



Pascal

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From: "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2(at)gmail.com>

Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 6:36 PM

To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: tires



[quote] 



 You can get just as much wear, if not more on a standard Desser recap,

 and get 2 or 3 tires from the price of one of the GY FCIII tires. The

 savings will let you buy fuel for 2-3 hours of flying. 



 On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 6:21 PM, pascal <pascal(at)rv10builder.net> wrote:

> Scott's in California so I'll respond for him:

> I just recently replaced my main tires and tubes with Goodyear Flight 

> Custom

> III 15/6.00-6 and Leak Guard Tubes 15/6.00-6.  I'm not sure about the

> difference in size but there is a difference in weight capacity between a

> 6.00 and a 6.00-6.  So far, so good on the tubes but I have only had them

> for one month.  The tires are defiantly more beefy.

> I bought everything through Desser and received them very quickly.

>

> Tires and tubes is one area where I really didn't mind spending extra

> money.  My old tires went almost 300 hours and they say the compound on 

> the

> Goodyear tires are 20% more wear resistant and the rubber thickness is 

> quite

> a bit more.  Here is some data that Dresser posts on their site.

> http://www.desser.com/gy_perform.html

>

> http://www.desser.com/airtubes.html

> http://shop.desser.com/IW_Products.m4p.pvx?;MULTI_ITEM_SUBMIT

>

> Good luck.

>

> Scott Schmidt

> scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com

> From: Albert Gardner

> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 5:58 PM

> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

> Subject: tires

>

> Scott-what tubes are you using?

>

> Albert Gardner

>

> Yuma, AZ

>

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Kellym

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1705
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:32 pm Post subject: tires

I purposely did not mention the Monster Retread, as there are issues 

when you put more tread on a tire than it started with.

I have been using Desser retreads for almost 15 years on both a Cessna 

170 and on a Mooney M20E with no vibration or balance issues. That is 

about 4 sets of them. Since both the above aircraft have gear that move 

laterally depending on the weight on the gear, it is easy to get more 

wear on one side, but never have had to rotate them. Y'all can buy 

Goodyear$ or what ever you think is best for you.



pascal wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Check out Tim's site on that review and his impressions-

 http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/maintenance/20080503/index.html

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Kelly McMullen
A&P/IA, EAA Tech Counselor # 5286
KCHD

scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.co
Guest

Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 9:20 pm Post subject: tires

I have no comparison to any other tire but it was very obvious that the Goodyears are wearing much better.  

I have to believe that the Goodyear tires have stiffer sidewalls and possibly better puncher resistance but I have no data on that.  

If Goodyear is good enough for Jeff Gordon and Dale Jr., they will be good for me.  



Scott Schmidtscottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com



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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
Guest

Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 10:01 pm Post subject: tires

Scott Schmidt wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   I have no comparison to any other tire but it was very obvious that 

 the Goodyears are wearing much better. 

 I have to believe that the Goodyear tires have stiffer sidewalls and 

 possibly better puncher resistance but I have no data on that. 

 If Goodyear is good enough for Jeff Gordon and Dale Jr., they will be 

 good for me. 

HUH???  You want to change tires as often as they do??? 
	


I've had better luck with recaps ..... but then I've never had the 

tapered rod gear before. 

Linn



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 Scott Schmidt

 scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com

partner14

Joined: 12 Jan 2008
Posts: 540
Location: Granbury Texas

Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 10:16 pm Post subject: tires

You threw out the names, but you must not have watched the NASCAR race at Indy a couple of weeks ago.  NASCAR had to throw competition yellows every 10 to 15 laps or the tires would blow!   Just a little ribbing.

  

 Info on oil changes;  on our catamaran, we have twin volvo diesels, and when I change either the oil or fuel filters, I slip a freezer bag all the way over the filter.  Usually no mess at all.

 Don McDonald

 #40536  Finishing



--- On Sun, 8/10/08, Scott Schmidt <scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com> wrote:



 [quote]From: Scott Schmidt <scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: tires

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Sunday, August 10, 2008, 10:19 PM



    I have no comparison to any other tire but it was very obvious that the Goodyears are wearing much better.  

I have to believe that the Goodyear tires have stiffer sidewalls and possibly better puncher resistance but I have no data on that.  

If Goodyear is good enough for Jeff Gordon and Dale Jr., they will be good for me.  



Scott Schmidtscottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com

 



 

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2879

Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:02 am Post subject: tires

Monster retreads are not available in the size we need for the -10,

so the ones I have are High Performance Retreads.  Our size is

specific: 15-6.00-6

So far, the retreads are working out well, but personally I think

they're far from built as nicely as a new pair of goodyears.  Mine

were built on goodyear bases, but the tread wasn't applied perfectly

straight and consistent.  other than having a lot of weight to

balance one of the 2 tires out, and the crooked tread, I haven't

noticed a big problem in their use.....I just won't do it again

though as I'd rather pay more and have something closer to

perfection.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

do not archive

Kelly McMullen wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 I purposely did not mention the Monster Retread, as there are issues 

 when you put more tread on a tire than it started with.

 I have been using Desser retreads for almost 15 years on both a Cessna 

 170 and on a Mooney M20E with no vibration or balance issues. That is 

 about 4 sets of them. Since both the above aircraft have gear that move 

 laterally depending on the weight on the gear, it is easy to get more 

 wear on one side, but never have had to rotate them. Y'all can buy 

 Goodyear$ or what ever you think is best for you.

 pascal wrote:

> 

>

> Check out Tim's site on that review and his impressions-

> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/maintenance/20080503/index.html

>

scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.co
Guest

Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:06 am Post subject: tires

I did miss the race at Indy but watched the highlights.  Yae, Goodyear really blew it there.  (pun intended)



I do plan on using retreads in the future but did not want to put them on the stock tires. My plan is to have a couple of Goodyear bases I can send out and have done.  

But the way these things are wearing I feel like I'm going to get 3 times the wear that my stock tires had.  

Dan Checkoway recommended a retread in the link below that he has been very happy with.  

 [url=http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t 784&highlight=tire]http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t 784&highlight=tire[/url]

I have always been a firm believer that you get what you pay for and have wondered if anyone out there  has had any bad experiences with them?  

It sure seems like 90% of the aviation community use them though.  I just don't want to be away from my airport and have a tire separate.  The savings might be $200 every 400 hours of flying by going with a retread and if there is a 5% greater risk of having an issue it just isn't worth it to me. 

I am still new to the RV compared to many and new to flying as much cross country as I have been doing and I just don't know alot about retreads and their quality.  I do know that I sure am dodging them alot on my motorcycle.   I unfairly associate the two.  

With the Goodyears if I do have a problem, those two guys in the blimp will see the issue and send out a tire right away.  Pretty cool customer service. (If you haven't seen their commercial you won't get that one)

With Tim on one  set and me on another it will be a good comparison.  



Speaking of Dan Checkoway,  today is a free day for me in California and I might fly over to Chino and check out the museum.  

I believe that Chino is his home airport. http://www.planesoffame.org/



BTW: On my most recent flight I did drop the air pressure in my left main by 1/4 psi to free it up in the corners J/K



Scott Schmidtscottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com



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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
Guest

Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:34 am Post subject: tires

Scott Schmidt wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   I did miss the race at Indy but watched the highlights.  Yae, Goodyear 

 really blew it there.  (pun intended)



 I do plan on using retreads in the future but did not want to put them 

 on the stock tires. My plan is to have a couple of Goodyear bases I 

 can send out and have done. 

 But the way these things are wearing I feel like I'm going to get 3 

 times the wear that my stock tires had. 

 Dan Checkoway recommended a retread in the link below that he has been 

 very happy with. 

  http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t 784&highlight=tire 

 <http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t 784&highlight=tire>

 I have always been a firm believer that you get what you pay for and 

 have wondered if anyone out there has had any bad experiences with them? 

 It sure seems like 90% of the aviation community use them though.  I 

 just don't want to be away from my airport and have a tire separate.

I've never had ANY issues with the retreads ..... either on my car or my 
	


airplane.  The only discernible difference is the way the sidewalls 

look.  I've never been concerned with whether the grooves were true or 

not .... so no data there.  I wear them out and replace them.

 	  Quote: 	
		     The savings might be $200 every 400 hours of flying by going with a 

 retread and if there is a 5% greater risk of having an issue it just 

 isn't worth it to me.

Quantifying the risk is almost impossible (unless you're Rick Sked   
	


) but I've not heard of any problems at all with retreads.

 	  Quote: 	
		   I am still new to the RV compared to many and new to flying as much 

 cross country as I have been doing and I just don't know alot about 

 retreads and their quality.  I do know that I sure am dodging them 

 alot on my motorcycle.   I unfairly associate the two.

Almost 99% of the tire debris on the highway is truck tires ..... and 
	


they destroy themselves due to low tire pressure that's missed by the 

trucker.  There are, of course, blowouts on cars ..... but I doubt that 

they take care of their tires like you do.

 	  Quote: 	
		   With the Goodyears if I do have a problem, those two guys in the blimp 

 will see the issue and send out a tire right away.  Pretty cool 

 customer service. (If you haven't seen their commercial you won't get 

 that one)

That was a good one!
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   With Tim on one set and me on another it will be a good comparison.

Not really ..... tire wear is all about how you land, and what you land 
	


on.  And comparisons are only good over the long term ..... too many 

variables.

Linn

do not archive

[quote] Speaking of Dan Checkoway,  today is a free day for me in California 

 and I might fly over to Chino and check out the museum. 

 I believe that Chino is his home airport. http://www.planesoffame.org/



 BTW: On my most recent flight I did drop the air pressure in my left 

 main by 1/4 psi to free it up in the corners J/K



 Scott Schmidt

 scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com



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timrvator(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:10 am Post subject: tires

 	  Quote: 	
		     Dan Checkoway recommended a retread in the link below that he has been very happy with.  

    [url=http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t 784&highlight=tire]http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t 784&highlight=tire[/url]

 I have always been a firm believer that you get what you pay for and have wondered if anyone out there has had any bad experiences with them?  

   

   

 	
 I've used a set of the Wilkerson tires (retreads)  for several hundred hours on my RV-6A.  No problems, and they sure do appear to exhibit longer tread life than I experienced using new tires.  I'll use Wilkerson tires again.

 

 Tim

 [quote]-- 

Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)

RV-6A N47TD -- 1000 hrs

RV-10 #40059 under construction[b]

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