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T.gummo(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:05 pm Post subject: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash

Subject: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash



 



  

I heard about a Velocity crashing into a house and  killing the pilot and two people in the house while trying to land at North Las  Vegas.  It was the flight test period as the plane only had 5 hours of  flight time.  I went on the Internet to find a little more info.  I  was shocked to read the comments of the airport director. 

Quote from the  website: 

http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=8883721&nav=168Ye9lq 

According to Airport Director Randall  Walker, this incident is the worst air accident off the airport grounds in Las  Vegas history. Now for the first time, Walker is publicly calling for more local  control over what aircraft come in and out of airports.   

Walker says the airport has no control over  what aircraft fly in and out -- there hasn't even been a risk assessment for  what kind of risks these experimental aircraft may pose. But he says he is going  to start lobbying to get Congress to change the law and allow airports to have  more control.  

But again, Randall Walker says that these  kinds of aircraft do not belong in urban          areas.  

From AirNav  website:                   

Ownership:             

Publicly-owned               

Owner:             

CLARK COUNTY

2730        AIRPORT DR SUITE 101

NORTH LAS VEGAS, NV 89030

Phone      702-261-3802               

Manager:             

DOUG MCNEELEY

2730        AIRPORT DR SUITE 101

NORTH LAS VEGAS, NV 89030

Phone        702-261-3800

MGR. ALSO 702-261-3802. AL KRISCH, MANAGEMENT ANALYST II        702.261.3804 702.647.7508 (FAX) NORTH LAS VEGAS AIRPORT 2730 AIRPORT        DRIVE, SUITE 101 NORTH LAS VEGAS, NV 89032 

From website: http://www.aci-na.org/about/leadership_walker 

Prior to his appointment as the  director of aviation, Walker was assistant county manager for Clark County from  1996 to 1997. As assistant county manager, he oversaw 12 county departments and  provided fiscal oversight for District Court, Justice Court, and all of Clark  County’s elected officials. In 1995, Walker served as director of the county’s  Department of Finance. 

************************************************************************************************************          

I read the complete bio and there was  no indication of any aviation experience.  My first question is why do  ANTI-AVIATION types, who are not pilots and have no flying experience, rise  up to get airport director jobs?  For  example, the new director of airports for San Bernardino County, CA is  not a pilot.  My info maybe old, but  the Navy had a rule that to command an aircraft carrier, you had to be a  pilot.  Might make a good rule for airport  managers.  

(Sour grapes  alert.) 

I might have  a chip on my shoulder about this.  As the manager of Apple Valley, CA  (KAPV) airport job because available, I was not given a interview as I didn't  have a BA business degree.  My Masters Degree in Computer Science and a BS  in Chemistry of course, didn't prepare me to run a airport.  However, I  also have twenty years of military experience as a flight safety officer and  Supervisor of Flying.   

(Enough sour  grapes.) 

Seems to me, we need to get EAA and AOPA on  this right away before it gets out of hand. 

Please write and call anybody you think can  help. 

Tom Gummo

Apple Valley, CA

Harmon  Rocket-II 

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richard(at)riley.net
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:42 pm Post subject: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash

The old manager of Las Vegas North, Gus Sabo, was killed in a Long 

EZ that he built.



http://www.eaa163.com/chapter/gus/index.htm?/lvrj_home/1999/Mar-20-Sat-1999/news/10832488.html



He flew VFR into IFR conditions in Baja California.  Being a pilot 

does not insure that one has good judgement.



At 09:04 PM 8/22/2008, Tom Gummo wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  

Subject: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash



I heard about a Velocity crashing into a house and killing the pilot 

and two people in the house while trying to land at North Las 

Vegas.  It was the flight test period as the plane only had 5 hours 

of flight time.  I went on the Internet to find a little more 

info.  I was shocked to read the comments of the airport director.



Quote from the website:



<http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=8883721&nav=168Ye9lq>http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=8883721&nav=168Ye9lq



According to Airport Director Randall Walker, this incident is the 

worst air accident off the airport grounds in Las Vegas history. Now 

for the first time, Walker is publicly calling for more local 

control over what aircraft come in and out of airports.



Walker says the airport has no control over what aircraft fly in and 

out -- there hasn't even been a risk assessment for what kind of 

risks these experimental aircraft may pose. But he says he is going 

to start lobbying to get Congress to change the law and allow 

airports to have more control.



But again, Randall Walker says that these kinds of aircraft do not 

belong in urban         areas.



 From AirNav website:



Ownership:



Publicly-owned



Owner:



CLARK COUNTY

2730 AIRPORT DR SUITE 101

NORTH LAS VEGAS, NV 89030

Phone 702-261-3802



Manager:



DOUG MCNEELEY

2730 AIRPORT DR SUITE 101

NORTH LAS VEGAS, NV 89030

Phone 702-261-3800

MGR. ALSO 702-261-3802. AL KRISCH, MANAGEMENT ANALYST II 

702.261.3804 702.647.7508 (FAX) NORTH LAS VEGAS AIRPORT 2730 AIRPORT 

DRIVE, SUITE 101 NORTH LAS VEGAS, NV 89032



 From website: 

 <http://www.aci-na.org/about/leadership_walker>http://www.aci-na.org/about/leadership_walker



Prior to his appointment as the director of aviation, Walker was 

assistant county manager for Clark County from 1996 to 1997. As 

assistant county manager, he oversaw 12 county departments and 

provided fiscal oversight for District Court, Justice Court, and all 

of Clark County's elected officials. In 1995, Walker served as 

director of the county's Department of Finance.



************************************************************************************************************ 

I read the complete bio and there was no indication of any aviation 

experience.  My first question is why do ANTI-AVIATION types, who 

are not pilots and have no flying experience, rise up to get airport 

director jobs?  For example, the new director of airports for San 

Bernardino County, CA is not a pilot.  My info maybe old, but the 

Navy had a rule that to command an aircraft carrier, you had to be a 

pilot.  Might make a good rule for airport managers.



(Sour grapes alert.)



I might have a chip on my shoulder about this.  As the manager of 

Apple Valley, CA (KAPV) airport job because available, I was not 

given a interview as I didn't have a BA business degree.  My Masters 

Degree in Computer Science and a BS in Chemistry of course, didn't 

prepare me to run a airport.  However, I also have twenty years of 

military experience as a flight safety officer and Supervisor of Flying.



(Enough sour grapes.)



Seems to me, we need to get EAA and AOPA on this right away before 

it gets out of hand.



Please write and call anybody you think can help.



Tom Gummo

Apple Valley, CA

Harmon Rocket-II



do not archive



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AndrewTR30

Joined: 04 Nov 2006
Posts: 12
Location: Phoenix, AZ

Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 8:48 am Post subject: Re: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash

Here is a little more info from the RV-10 forum: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=47569

Todays media is so far from being objective that it is literally frightening.

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Andrew Rayhill
RV-10 40078
Phoenix

AndrewTR30

Joined: 04 Nov 2006
Posts: 12
Location: Phoenix, AZ

Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 8:48 am Post subject: Re: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash

Here is a little more info from the RV-10 forum: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=47569

Todays media is so far from being objective that it is literally frightening.

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Andrew Rayhill
RV-10 40078
Phoenix

AndrewTR30

Joined: 04 Nov 2006
Posts: 12
Location: Phoenix, AZ

Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 8:54 am Post subject: Re: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash

Here is a little more info from the RV-10 forum: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=47569

Todays media is so far from being objective that it is literally frightening.

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Andrew Rayhill
RV-10 40078
Phoenix

msausen

Joined: 25 Oct 2007
Posts: 559
Location: Appleton, WI USA

Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 9:10 am Post subject: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash

AOPA and EAA are both well aware of antics in Las Vegas.  This isn't the first time they've tried to shut down airspace to aircraft of a specific designation.  A beer says this guy has his eye on public office down the road

sbuc(at)hiwaay.net
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Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 9:25 am Post subject: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash

Tom Gummo wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Subject: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash

 

 

 I heard about a Velocity crashing into a house and killing the pilot

 and two people in the house while trying to land at North Las Vegas.

 It was the flight test period as the plane only had 5 hours of flight

 time.  I went on the Internet to find a little more info.  I was

 shocked to read the comments of the airport director.


	


Aero-News reported Saturday morning the following:



"FAA spokesman Ian Gregor said the plane crashed at 0628 local time 

Friday, shortly after takeoff from North Las Vegas Airport (VGT). The 

pilot radioed mayday to the VGT before the plane went down, telling 

controllers he was unable to gain altitude.



The impact sparked a fire, that emergency crews were able to quickly 

extinguish.



Gregor told The Seattle Times the accident aircraft was approved by the 

FAA in 2002, and was owned by a Las Vegas resident."



If this report is factual it sounds like the plane had been in service 

for quite some time.



Sam Buchanan

AV8ORJWC

Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 9:56 am Post subject: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash

Many would be surprised at the high number of previously owned and built

aircraft, now flown by second or third owners(Non Builders) during the

first few hours of their familiarization with the aircraft.



We all want the ability to sell our OBAM aircraft.  We give little

consideration to the individual purchasing it or their ability to fly

without future incident.  Just think how the original builder must now

feel.



The airport spokesman's bigoted and narrowly focused attitude towards

"His Airport" will soon be conditioned by the reality of the millions in

FAA dollars that have been invested into the public's right to have

operational access.  It is all too familiar a narrative.  Commercial Air

Carrier operations should take authority over the public's access.



John Cox



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AV8ORJWC

Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 10:03 am Post subject: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash

NASAO members seldom seek higher office.  They become complacent with their government paycheck, perks and feeling of superiority.  Your'e on for the beer in any event.  www.nasao.org  

   

John Cox  

   

PS - Don't ask me how I know about this group.  

       

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)

 Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:08 AM

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash  

  

  

   

  AOPA and EAA are both well aware of antics in Las Vegas.  This isn’t the first time they’ve tried to shut down airspace to aircraft of a specific designation.  A beer says this guy has his eye on public office down the road.  

   

http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2006/060118experimental.html  

   

Michael Sausen  

RV-10 #352 Finishing  

   

       

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Gummo

 Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 11:05 PM

 To: RV List

 Subject: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash  

  

  

     

   

      

Subject: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash  

  

    

   

    

I heard about a Velocity crashing into a house and killing the pilot and two people in the house while trying to land at North Las Vegas.  It was the flight test period as the plane only had 5 hours of flight time.  I went on the Internet to find a little more info.  I was shocked to read the comments of the airport director.  

Quote from the website:  

http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=8883721&nav=168Ye9lq  

According to Airport Director Randall Walker, this incident is the worst air accident off the airport grounds in Las Vegas history. Now for the first time, Walker is publicly calling for more local control over what aircraft come in and out of airports.   

Walker says the airport has no control over what aircraft fly in and out -- there hasn't even been a risk assessment for what kind of risks these experimental aircraft may pose. But he says he is going to start lobbying to get Congress to change the law and allow airports to have more control.   

But again, Randall Walker says that these kinds of aircraft do not belong in urban         areas.   

From AirNav website:          

Ownership:          

Publicly-owned             

Owner:          

CLARK COUNTY

   2730 AIRPORT DR SUITE 101

   NORTH LAS VEGAS, NV 89030

   Phone 702-261-3802             

Manager:          

DOUG MCNEELEY

   2730 AIRPORT DR SUITE 101

   NORTH LAS VEGAS, NV 89030

   Phone 702-261-3800

   MGR. ALSO 702-261-3802. AL KRISCH, MANAGEMENT ANALYST II 702.261.3804 702.647.7508   (FAX) NORTH LAS VEGAS AIRPORT 2730 AIRPORT DRIVE, SUITE 101 NORTH LAS VEGAS,   NV 89032        

From website: http://www.aci-na.org/about/leadership_walker  

Prior to his appointment as the director of aviation, Walker was assistant county manager for Clark County from 1996 to 1997. As assistant county manager, he oversaw 12 county departments and provided fiscal oversight for District Court, Justice Court, and all of Clark County’s elected officials. In 1995, Walker served as director of the county’s Department of Finance.  

************************************************************************************************************              

I read the complete bio and there was no indication of any aviation experience.  My first question is why do ANTI-AVIATION types, who are not pilots and have no flying experience, rise up to get airport director jobs?  For example, the new director of airports for San Bernardino County, CA is not a pilot.  My info maybe old, but the Navy had a rule that to command an aircraft carrier, you had to be a pilot.  Might make a good rule for airport managers.   

(Sour grapes alert.)  

I might have a chip on my shoulder about this.  As the manager of Apple Valley, CA (KAPV) airport job because available, I was not given a interview as I didn't have a BA business degree.  My Masters Degree in Computer Science and a BS in Chemistry of course, didn't prepare me to run a airport.  However, I also have twenty years of military experience as a flight safety officer and Supervisor of Flying.    

(Enough sour grapes.)  

Seems to me, we need to get EAA and AOPA on this right away before it gets out of hand.  

Please write and call anybody you think can help.  

Tom Gummo

 Apple Valley, CA

 Harmon Rocket-II  

do not archive  

http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html  

   

   

   

  



 

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Dick Sipp

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 215
Location: Hope, MI

Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 2:42 pm Post subject: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash

John:



I have to take exception to your comment "We give little consideration to 

the individual......



When I sold my 4 that was my primary consideration; would the buyer be able 

to handle

 the airplane successfully.  I only agreed to sell the airplane to the 

eventual buyer (who had limited

experience) after being re-assured by his brother, a very experienced high 

performance pilot that

he would fly with his brother and not let him solo the airplane until he was 

ready.



I think all of us who sell or are thinking of selling an airplane we have 

built worry a great deal

about the ability of the buyer to successfully operate the airplane because 

we want the buyer to

be as happy with the airplane as we were and of course the fear of a 

liability issue if the worst were

to happen.



Dick Sipp

N110DV 40065 flying



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