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sportav8r(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:46 pm Post subject: stormy & miriam

We came on home today, so no plans for us to grab BBQ in Carthage tomorrow.  



The return home took 8 hours, of which 2.4 were airborne, and the remainder in various FBO's waiting for the radar to show a clear path.  We stopped 30 miles from Grand Strand for cheap fuel at KCPC, and had the worst case of vapor lock I have ever experienced.  It too an hour and a half before the engine would start and stay running more than a second or two.  As an aside, I believe my second Facet boost pump is all show and no go, so time to replace it with my third one in 700 hours.  Might explain why the electric solenoid primer system didn't seem to help getting any fuel to the engine while attempting a hot start.  Later, we had not red but pink (really bad) radar returns blocking out final 75 miles home this afternoon, so we got to know the Danville FBO real well while we waited it out.

 

Safe home now, shortly before the temp/dewpoint spread snapped shut like a trap and filled out valley here with thick fog which is blocking the full moon and any chance we might have had of seeing the left-over Perseids tonight.  Myrtle was wall to wall people, mostly of the squealing toddler variety, and not a beach we will be doing again any time soon.  Glad to be back, and looking forward to the next get together, whether by plane or motorcycle 

 

Stormy



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Dale Ensing

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 571
Location: Aero Plantation Weddington NC

Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:56 am Post subject: stormy & miriam

Good morning Stormy, 

 Good to hear you and Miriam are back home safely.  The Grand Strand will make you appreciate being back home...especially your  quiet valley. Love it up there.

 Dale

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flyguy

Joined: 04 Mar 2006
Posts: 325

Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 4:04 am Post subject: stormy & miriam

Glad to hear you are safely home.  Shoulda warned you that the beach is a fall or spring place.  We never venture that way until October when temps are mild & crowds are gone.  Seeya in 2 weeks in cooler, uncrowded Ashe Co.  Reno 



 

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Larry Bowen

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 802
Location: NC, USA

Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:12 am Post subject: stormy & miriam

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">   Welcome home. We've all had trips like that. Pam and I spent two unexpected days in SE Ohio  on the way back from MI once. One of my favorite beach trips was staying at that cottage on Ocracoke. .

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

From:  "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com>

Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:44:27 -0400

To: <rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: RVSouthEast-List: stormy & miriam

We came on home today, so no plans for us to grab BBQ in Carthage tomorrow.  

The return home took 8 hours, of which 2.4 were airborne, and the remainder in various FBO's waiting for the radar to show a clear path.  We stopped 30 miles from Grand Strand for cheap fuel at KCPC, and had the worst case of vapor lock I have ever experienced.  It too an hour and a half before the engine would start and stay running more than a second or two.  As an aside, I believe my second Facet boost pump is all show and no go, so time to replace it with my third one in 700 hours.  Might explain why the electric solenoid primer system didn't seem to help getting any fuel to the engine while attempting a hot start.  Later, we had not red but pink (really bad) radar returns blocking out final 75 miles home this afternoon, so we got to know the Danville FBO real well while we waited it out.

Safe home now, shortly before the temp/dewpoint spread snapped shut like a trap and filled out valley here with thick fog which is blocking the full moon and any chance we might have had of seeing the left-over Perseids tonight.  Myrtle was wall to wall people, mostly of the squealing toddler variety, and not a beach we will be doing again any time soon.  Glad to be back, and looking forward to the next get together, whether by plane or motorcycle 

Stormy

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Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:36 am Post subject: stormy & miriam

Yeah, Ocracoke is a repeatable trip, to be sure!



I'm looking to things that need doing on the 6A, and it's a long and growing list.  Know of a source for SS wheel pant brackets for nose wheels?  Attawayair evidently makes them only for the mains.  Darned aluminum is not up to the punishment on a Van's nose gear.  My brackets are once again cracked about all the way through.  (Turf strips...)

 

It's also battery replacement time, transponder troubleshooting time, and of course, time to repack the wheel bearings.  Maybe it's time to get out of aviation with my sanity!



-Bill



 On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Larry Bowen <Larry(at)bowenaero.com (Larry(at)bowenaero.com)> wrote:

[quote]    Welcome home. We've all had trips like that. Pam and I spent two unexpected days in SE Ohio  on the way back from MI once. 



One of my favorite beach trips was staying at that cottage on Ocracoke. 



.

 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

From:  "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com (sportav8r(at)gmail.com)>

Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:44:27 -0400

 To: <rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com (rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com)>

Subject: RVSouthEast-List: stormy & miriam

We came on home today, so no plans for us to grab BBQ in Carthage tomorrow.  

 

The return home took 8 hours, of which 2.4 were airborne, and the remainder in various FBO's waiting for the radar to show a clear path.  We stopped 30 miles from Grand Strand for cheap fuel at KCPC, and had the worst case of vapor lock I have ever experienced.  It too an hour and a half before the engine would start and stay running more than a second or two.  As an aside, I believe my second Facet boost pump is all show and no go, so time to replace it with my third one in 700 hours.  Might explain why the electric solenoid primer system didn't seem to help getting any fuel to the engine while attempting a hot start.  Later, we had not red but pink (really bad) radar returns blocking out final 75 miles home this afternoon, so we got to know the Danville FBO real well while we waited it out.

 

Safe home now, shortly before the temp/dewpoint spread snapped shut like a trap and filled out valley here with thick fog which is blocking the full moon and any chance we might have had of seeing the left-over Perseids tonight.  Myrtle was wall to wall people, mostly of the squealing toddler variety, and not a beach we will be doing again any time soon.  Glad to be back, and looking forward to the next get together, whether by plane or motorcycle 

 

Stormy



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ceengland(at)bellsouth.ne
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Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 7:07 pm Post subject: stormy & miriam

Are they flat stock, like the mains (on my -4)? I bought some stainless 

sheet from a local scrap yard & used a neighbor's plasma cutter to cut 

them using the old aluminum part as a pattern. Relatively easy; no 

problems so far.



Charlie



Bill Boyd wrote:

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		   Yeah, Ocracoke is a repeatable trip, to be sure!



 I'm looking to things that need doing on the 6A, and it's a long and 

 growing list.  Know of a source for SS wheel pant brackets for nose 

 wheels?  Attawayair evidently makes them only for the mains.  Darned 

 aluminum is not up to the punishment on a Van's nose gear.  My 

 brackets are once again cracked about all the way through.  (Turf 

 strips...)



 It's also battery replacement time, transponder troubleshooting time, 

 and of course, time to repack the wheel bearings.  Maybe it's time to 

 get out of aviation with my sanity!



 -Bill



 On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Larry Bowen <Larry(at)bowenaero.com 

 <mailto:Larry(at)bowenaero.com>> wrote:



     Welcome home. We've all had trips like that. Pam and I spent two

     unexpected days in SE Ohio on the way back from MI once.



     One of my favorite beach trips was staying at that cottage on

     Ocracoke.



     .



     Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry



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     *From*: "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com <mailto:sportav8r(at)gmail.com>>

     *Date*: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:44:27 -0400

     *To*: <rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com

     <mailto:rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com>>

     *Subject*: stormy & miriam

     We came on home today, so no plans for us to grab BBQ in Carthage

     tomorrow. 



     The return home took 8 hours, of which 2.4 were airborne, and the

     remainder in various FBO's waiting for the radar to show a clear

     path.  We stopped 30 miles from Grand Strand for cheap fuel at

     KCPC, and had the worst case of vapor lock I have ever

     experienced.  It too an hour and a half before the engine would

     start and stay running more than a second or two.  As an aside, I

     believe my second Facet boost pump is all show and no go, so time

     to replace it with my third one in 700 hours.  Might explain why

     the electric solenoid primer system didn't seem to help getting

     any fuel to the engine while attempting a hot start.  Later, we

     had not red but pink (really bad) radar returns blocking out final

     75 miles home this afternoon, so we got to know the Danville FBO

     real well while we waited it out.



     Safe home now, shortly before the temp/dewpoint spread snapped

     shut like a trap and filled out valley here with thick fog which

     is blocking the full moon and any chance we might have had of

     seeing the left-over Perseids tonight.  Myrtle was wall to wall

     people, mostly of the squealing toddler variety, and not a beach

     we will be doing again any time soon.  Glad to be back, and

     looking forward to the next get together, whether by plane or

     motorcycle 



     Stormy



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djdist(at)bellsouth.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:46 am Post subject: stormy & miriam

Glad you made it back on the same day!   Carolyn & I returned from Mt. Airy yesterday at noon, dropped her off in  Concord to get her car, then I took off for Rock Hill and had to pick up an IFR  from CLT to get to Rock Hill!  Was able to cancel 5 miles from UZA.   Not a good VFR day!  

 See ya soon!

 

Randy  Utsey

D.J. Distributing Co.

1429 Bryant St.

Charlotte, NC   28208

800-585-4126

  

 djdist(at)bellsouth.net (djdist(at)bellsouth.net)

www.djdist.com

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sportav8r(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:42 am Post subject: stormy & miriam

Randy, I'm doing some serious soul-searching these days about whether to build another one (better this time), maintain and upgrade what I've got, or just sell it and get a nicer motorcycle and a boat, trailer and truck.  I find myself wondering whether an IFR rating and instrumentation in the plane will ever be worth it to us, given the kind of flying we do and where I'm based.  It is not a question with an easy answer.

 

If I were rich and single, a full-IFR RV-7 slider with a 180 hp CS would be almost a no-brainer.  As a married man with kids in college, a VFR, nosewheel, fixed-pitch, doggy ol' 6A makes more sense in the near term.

 

Wondering where I will find the time to train for conventional gear and IFR ticket, much less to build again - last time was a long and lonely 4 years  but still, part of me wants to do it!



-Stormy



 On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:45 AM, Randy <djdist(at)bellsouth.net (djdist(at)bellsouth.net)> wrote:

[quote]        Glad you made it back on the same day!   Carolyn & I returned from Mt. Airy yesterday at noon, dropped her off in  Concord to get her car, then I took off for Rock Hill and had to pick up an IFR  from CLT to get to Rock Hill!  Was able to cancel 5 miles from UZA.   Not a good VFR day!  

 See ya soon!

 

Randy  Utsey

D.J. Distributing Co.

1429 Bryant St.

Charlotte, NC   28208

800-585-4126

  

 djdist(at)bellsouth.net (djdist(at)bellsouth.net)

www.djdist.com

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bill(at)repucci.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:23 am Post subject: stormy & miriam

Stormy,  

   

So what you are saying is that you will order your RV-7 tail kit next month?  

   

I wouldn’t worry about the tail wheel thing, 10 hours of duel and you are good to go.  

   

Bill  

     

From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Boyd

 Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:40 AM

 To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: stormy & miriam  

  

     

Randy, I'm doing some serious soul-searching these days about whether to build another one (better this time), maintain and upgrade what I've got, or just sell it and get a nicer motorcycle and a boat, trailer and truck.  I find myself wondering whether an IFR rating and instrumentation in the plane will ever be worth it to us, given the kind of flying we do and where I'm based.  It is not a question with an easy answer.

 

 If I were rich and single, a full-IFR RV-7 slider with a 180 hp CS would be almost a no-brainer.  As a married man with kids in college, a VFR, nosewheel, fixed-pitch, doggy ol' 6A makes more sense in the near term.

 

 Wondering where I will find the time to train for conventional gear and IFR ticket, much less to build again - last time was a long and lonely 4 years  but still, part of me wants to do it!

 

 -Stormy    

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:45 AM, Randy <djdist(at)bellsouth.net (djdist(at)bellsouth.net)> wrote:      

Glad you made it back on the same day!  Carolyn & I returned from Mt. Airy yesterday at noon, dropped her off in Concord to get her car, then I took off for Rock Hill and had to pick up an IFR from CLT to get to Rock Hill!  Was able to cancel 5 miles from UZA.  Not a good VFR day!    

    

See ya soon!  

    



 Randy Utsey

 D.J. Distributing Co.

 1429 Bryant St.

 Charlotte, NC  28208

 800-585-4126  

    

   

    

djdist(at)bellsouth.net (djdist(at)bellsouth.net)

 www.djdist.com  

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From: Bill Boyd (sportav8r(at)gmail.com)   

    

To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com (rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com)   

    

Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 2:34 PM  

    

Subject: Re: stormy & miriam  

    

   

    

Yeah, Ocracoke is a repeatable trip, to be sure!

 

 I'm looking to things that need doing on the 6A, and it's a long and growing list.  Know of a source for SS wheel pant brackets for nose wheels?  Attawayair evidently makes them only for the mains.  Darned aluminum is not up to the punishment on a Van's nose gear.  My brackets are once again cracked about all the way through.  (Turf strips...)

 

 It's also battery replacement time, transponder troubleshooting time, and of course, time to repack the wheel bearings.  Maybe it's time to get out of aviation with my sanity!

 

 -Bill    

On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Larry Bowen <Larry(at)bowenaero.com (Larry(at)bowenaero.com)> wrote:  

Welcome home. We've all had trips like that. Pam and I spent two unexpected days in SE Ohio on the way back from MI once. 

 

 One of my favorite beach trips was staying at that cottage on Ocracoke. 

 

 .   

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry      

  

From: "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com (sportav8r(at)gmail.com)>

 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:44:27 -0400

 To: <rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com (rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com)>

 Subject: stormy & miriam    

We came on home today, so no plans for us to grab BBQ in Carthage tomorrow.  

 

 The return home took 8 hours, of which 2.4 were airborne, and the remainder in various FBO's waiting for the radar to show a clear path.  We stopped 30 miles from Grand Strand for cheap fuel at KCPC, and had the worst case of vapor lock I have ever experienced.  It too an hour and a half before the engine would start and stay running more than a second or two.  As an aside, I believe my second Facet boost pump is all show and no go, so time to replace it with my third one in 700 hours.  Might explain why the electric solenoid primer system didn't seem to help getting any fuel to the engine while attempting a hot start.  Later, we had not red but pink (really bad) radar returns blocking out final 75 miles home this afternoon, so we got to know the Danville FBO real well while we waited it out.

 

 Safe home now, shortly before the temp/dewpoint spread snapped shut like a trap and filled out valley here with thick fog which is blocking the full moon and any chance we might have had of seeing the left-over Perseids tonight.  Myrtle was wall to wall people, mostly of the squealing toddler variety, and not a beach we will be doing again any time soon.  Glad to be back, and looking forward to the next get together, whether by plane or motorcycle 

 

 Stormy  

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libertyva(at)msn.com
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:35 am Post subject: stormy & miriam

Stormy C

I had to jump in here!

I agree C you should get out of flying.........for all the obvious reasons

sportav8r(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:38 am Post subject: stormy & miriam

Yeah, that's probably what it boils down to - a fast-build kit 



Dueling for 10 hours?!  Someone could get shot like that - possibly me.



-Stormy



On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Bill Repucci <bill(at)repucci.com (bill(at)repucci.com)> wrote:

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Stormy,  

   

So what you are saying is that you will order your RV-7 tail kit next month?  

   

I wouldn't worry about the tail wheel thing, 10 hours of duel and you are good to go.  

   

Bill  

     

From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Bill Boyd

 Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:40 AM

 To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com (rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com)

 



Subject: Re: stormy & miriam



  



  

     

Randy, I'm doing some serious soul-searching these days about whether to build another one (better this time), maintain and upgrade what I've got, or just sell it and get a nicer motorcycle and a boat, trailer and truck.  I find myself wondering whether an IFR rating and instrumentation in the plane will ever be worth it to us, given the kind of flying we do and where I'm based.  It is not a question with an easy answer.

 

 If I were rich and single, a full-IFR RV-7 slider with a 180 hp CS would be almost a no-brainer.  As a married man with kids in college, a VFR, nosewheel, fixed-pitch, doggy ol' 6A makes more sense in the near term.

 

 Wondering where I will find the time to train for conventional gear and IFR ticket, much less to build again - last time was a long and lonely 4 years  but still, part of me wants to do it!

 

 -Stormy    

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:45 AM, Randy <djdist(at)bellsouth.net (djdist(at)bellsouth.net)> wrote:      

Glad you made it back on the same day!  Carolyn & I returned from Mt. Airy yesterday at noon, dropped her off in Concord to get her car, then I took off for Rock Hill and had to pick up an IFR from CLT to get to Rock Hill!  Was able to cancel 5 miles from UZA.  Not a good VFR day!    

    

See ya soon!  

    



 Randy Utsey

 D.J. Distributing Co.

 1429 Bryant St.

 Charlotte, NC  28208

 800-585-4126  

    

   

    

djdist(at)bellsouth.net (djdist(at)bellsouth.net)

 www.djdist.com  

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From: Bill Boyd (sportav8r(at)gmail.com)    

    

To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com (rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com)    

    

Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 2:34 PM  

    

Subject: Re: stormy & miriam  

    

   

    

Yeah, Ocracoke is a repeatable trip, to be sure!

 

 I'm looking to things that need doing on the 6A, and it's a long and growing list.  Know of a source for SS wheel pant brackets for nose wheels?  Attawayair evidently makes them only for the mains.  Darned aluminum is not up to the punishment on a Van's nose gear.  My brackets are once again cracked about all the way through.  (Turf strips...)

 

 It's also battery replacement time, transponder troubleshooting time, and of course, time to repack the wheel bearings.  Maybe it's time to get out of aviation with my sanity!

 

 -Bill    

On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Larry Bowen <Larry(at)bowenaero.com (Larry(at)bowenaero.com)> wrote:  

Welcome home. We've all had trips like that. Pam and I spent two unexpected days in SE Ohio on the way back from MI once. 

 

 One of my favorite beach trips was staying at that cottage on Ocracoke. 

 

 .   

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry      

  

From: "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com (sportav8r(at)gmail.com)>

 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:44:27 -0400

 To: <rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com (rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com)>

 Subject: stormy & miriam    

We came on home today, so no plans for us to grab BBQ in Carthage tomorrow.  

 

 The return home took 8 hours, of which 2.4 were airborne, and the remainder in various FBO's waiting for the radar to show a clear path.  We stopped 30 miles from Grand Strand for cheap fuel at KCPC, and had the worst case of vapor lock I have ever experienced.  It too an hour and a half before the engine would start and stay running more than a second or two.  As an aside, I believe my second Facet boost pump is all show and no go, so time to replace it with my third one in 700 hours.  Might explain why the electric solenoid primer system didn't seem to help getting any fuel to the engine while attempting a hot start.  Later, we had not red but pink (really bad) radar returns blocking out final 75 miles home this afternoon, so we got to know the Danville FBO real well while we waited it out.

 

 Safe home now, shortly before the temp/dewpoint spread snapped shut like a trap and filled out valley here with thick fog which is blocking the full moon and any chance we might have had of seeing the left-over Perseids tonight.  Myrtle was wall to wall people, mostly of the squealing toddler variety, and not a beach we will be doing again any time soon.  Glad to be back, and looking forward to the next get together, whether by plane or motorcycle 

 

 Stormy  

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Ed Anderson

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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:38 am Post subject: stormy & miriam

Tough decision, Stormy.    Fortunately have all my kids are way past the college stage (grandchildren are at that stage {:>)), so  I don’t face some of the same constraints – but, then being retired adds some of its own (mainly $$).  But, when I built my RV-6A (Yes, with training wheel that I have really come to appreciate on those days with 25kt cross winds), I built it with light IFR instrumentation, heated pitot, etc.  I took the ground school and also the FAA written exam on the route to getting my IFR.   

   

Then I did some real soul searching and decided that getting an IFR ticket might not be the smartest thing for me in my situation.  I came to realization that:  

     I      would probably NOT fly frequently enough to maintain IFR skills, which      could lead to me getting myself into situations that were best not to be      in  
It      cost more to keep the IFR certification of the equipment current  
That      being retired there was really no reason I had to be anywhere at any      particular time – that any weather, I could wait out.  Forced      to spend 5 days in Fl once at a fellow fliers house along with 4 others      who got confined by the weather – spent 5 days drinking beer, eating      pizza and telling/hearing more lies and stories than one could      imagine.  A really tough 5 days that I would have likely missed had I      an IFR ticket. Not that this is necessarily a recommendation against one      {:<)).   

   

In the over ten years since I made that decision, circumstances have confirmed the wisdom of choice (at least for me in my situation).  

   

But, I am glad that I have not yet had to give up flying – hope to have one more decade of it.    I suggest that  looking up from your very,very  nice motorcycle at an RV zipping along might not be compensation enough for having given one up.  Now building another one – that is something worth thinking about {:>)  

   

Just my 0.02 worth  

   

Ed   

     

Ed Anderson  

Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered  

Matthews, NC  

eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com  

http://www.andersonee.com  

http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW  

http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html  

        

  

From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Boyd

 Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:40 AM

 To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: stormy & miriam  

  

     

Randy, I'm doing some serious soul-searching these days about whether to build another one (better this time), maintain and upgrade what I've got, or just sell it and get a nicer motorcycle and a boat, trailer and truck.  I find myself wondering whether an IFR rating and instrumentation in the plane will ever be worth it to us, given the kind of flying we do and where I'm based.  It is not a question with an easy answer.

 

 If I were rich and single, a full-IFR RV-7 slider with a 180 hp CS would be almost a no-brainer.  As a married man with kids in college, a VFR, nosewheel, fixed-pitch, doggy ol' 6A makes more sense in the near term.

 

 Wondering where I will find the time to train for conventional gear and IFR ticket, much less to build again - last time was a long and lonely 4 years  but still, part of me wants to do it!

 

 -Stormy    

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:45 AM, Randy <djdist(at)bellsouth.net (djdist(at)bellsouth.net)> wrote:      

Glad you made it back on the same day!  Carolyn & I returned from Mt. Airy yesterday at noon, dropped her off in Concord to get her car, then I took off for Rock Hill and had to pick up an IFR from CLT to get to Rock Hill!  Was able to cancel 5 miles from UZA.  Not a good VFR day!    

    

See ya soon!  

    



 Randy Utsey

 D.J. Distributing Co.

 1429 Bryant St.

 Charlotte, NC  28208

 800-585-4126  

    

   

    

djdist(at)bellsouth.net (djdist(at)bellsouth.net)

 www.djdist.com  

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Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com

ronh4244(at)mchsi.com
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:57 am Post subject: stormy & miriam

Just to keep peace in the family you may ask your wife what she would like. If mama isn't happy you sure won't be happy.

 Ron H.

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RV-9A 

N362TS



 [quote]-------------- Original message from "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com>: -------------- 



 Randy, I'm doing some serious soul-searching these days about whether to build another one (better this time), maintain and upgrade what I've got, or just sell it and get a nicer motorcycle and a boat, trailer and truck.  I find myself wondering whether an IFR rating and instrumentation in the plane will ever be worth it to us, given the kind of flying we do and where I'm based.  It is not a question with an easy answer.



If I were rich and single, a full-IFR RV-7 slider with a 180 hp CS would be almost a no-brainer.  As a married man with kids in college, a VFR, nosewheel, fixed-pitch, doggy ol' 6A makes more sense in the near term.



Wondering where I will find the time to train for conventional gear and IFR ticket, much less to build again - last time was a long and lonely 4 years  but still, part of me wants to do it!



-Stormy



 On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:45 AM, Randy <djdist(at)bellsouth.net (djdist(at)bellsouth.net)> wrote:

 [quote]  Glad you made it back on the same day!  Carolyn & I returned from Mt. Airy yesterday at noon, dropped her off in Concord to get her car, then I took off for Rock Hill and had to pick up an IFR from CLT to get to Rock Hill!  Was able to cancel 5 miles from UZA.  Not a good VFR day!  

 See ya soon!

 

Randy Utsey

D.J. Distributing Co.

1429 Bryant St.

Charlotte, NC  28208

800-585-4126

  

 djdist(at)bellsouth.net (djdist(at)bellsouth.net)

www.djdist.com

 [quote] ---

sportav8r(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:57 am Post subject: stormy & miriam

I share a lot of your same thoughts, Ed, except being one of the boomers who might never fully retire, the get-home-itis could remain an issue for twenty years or so.  At least I will probably always be self-employed, so that helps.

 

And Ron, believe me, I would not even think to undertake a new kit build without the wife's permission - nay, encouragement.  It's not worth it otherwise.



-Stormy



On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Ed Anderson <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com (eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com)> wrote:

 [quote]                     

Tough decision, Stormy.    Fortunately have all my kids are way past the college stage (grandchildren are at that stage {:>)), so  I don't face some of the same constraints – but, then being retired adds some of its own (mainly $$).  But, when I built my RV-6A (Yes, with training wheel that I have really come to appreciate on those days with 25kt cross winds), I built it with light IFR instrumentation, heated pitot, etc.  I took the ground school and also the FAA written exam on the route to getting my IFR.   

   

Then I did some real soul searching and decided that getting an IFR ticket might not be the smartest thing for me in my situation.  I came to realization that:  

     I      would probably NOT fly frequently enough to maintain IFR skills, which      could lead to me getting myself into situations that were best not to be      in  
It      cost more to keep the IFR certification of the equipment current  
That      being retired there was really no reason I had to be anywhere at any      particular time – that any weather, I could wait out.  Forced      to spend 5 days in Fl once at a fellow fliers house along with 4 others      who got confined by the weather – spent 5 days drinking beer, eating      pizza and telling/hearing more lies and stories than one could      imagine.  A really tough 5 days that I would have likely missed had I      an IFR ticket. Not that this is necessarily a recommendation against one      {:<)).   

   

In the over ten years since I made that decision, circumstances have confirmed the wisdom of choice (at least for me in my situation).  

   

But, I am glad that I have not yet had to give up flying – hope to have one more decade of it.    I suggest that  looking up from your very,very  nice motorcycle at an RV zipping along might not be compensation enough for having given one up.  Now building another one – that is something worth thinking about {:>)  

   

Just my 0.02 worth  

   

Ed   

     

Ed Anderson  

Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered  

Matthews, NC  

eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com (eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com)   

http://www.andersonee.com   

http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW   

http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html   

        

  

From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Bill Boyd 

 Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:40 AM

 



To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com (rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com)

 Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: stormy & miriam



  



  

     

Randy, I'm doing some serious soul-searching these days about whether to build another one (better this time), maintain and upgrade what I've got, or just sell it and get a nicer motorcycle and a boat, trailer and truck.  I find myself wondering whether an IFR rating and instrumentation in the plane will ever be worth it to us, given the kind of flying we do and where I'm based.  It is not a question with an easy answer.

 

 If I were rich and single, a full-IFR RV-7 slider with a 180 hp CS would be almost a no-brainer.  As a married man with kids in college, a VFR, nosewheel, fixed-pitch, doggy ol' 6A makes more sense in the near term.

 

 Wondering where I will find the time to train for conventional gear and IFR ticket, much less to build again - last time was a long and lonely 4 years  but still, part of me wants to do it!

 

 -Stormy    

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:45 AM, Randy <djdist(at)bellsouth.net (djdist(at)bellsouth.net)> wrote:       

Glad you made it back on the same day!  Carolyn & I returned from Mt. Airy yesterday at noon, dropped her off in Concord to get her car, then I took off for Rock Hill and had to pick up an IFR from CLT to get to Rock Hill!  Was able to cancel 5 miles from UZA.  Not a good VFR day!    

    

See ya soon!  

    



 Randy Utsey

 D.J. Distributing Co.

 1429 Bryant St.

 Charlotte, NC  28208

 800-585-4126  

    

   

    

djdist(at)bellsouth.net (djdist(at)bellsouth.net)

 www.djdist.com  

  [quote]     

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djdist(at)bellsouth.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:04 am Post subject: stormy & miriam

Hi Stormy:  Being able to file, & fly IFR  in the system just allows you more choices.  Is it safer to bump along at  1500 AGL trying to stay VFR and looking out for antennas and spending time  at airports other than the one you want to go or to be able to use the system  that we pay a lot of money for and file IFR, climb through the broken stuff to a  clear sky and enjoy a better ride with positive control from the FED's?  I  think that the conception of flying IFR means making approaches to minimums,  dealing with alternates, low fuel, icing, etc, etc, keeps a lot of pilots away  from it.  The reality of it is you still choose the weather conditions you  are comfortable with.  If I need to go to Richmond for the day and it is  1,500 broken, 6,000 overcast then I make that trip knowing that even if I have  to make the approach I will be breaking out into VFR WX, 1,000 ft above my  decision height.  Using a 396 or 496 to monitor the WX at your destination  makes it even easier and much more comforting!  In your situation in the  beautiful mountains, having the rating and the plane would at least you get you  closer to home and allow you more choices on your cross country trips.  The  other detail to consider is that you will probably have to get the rating in a  more typical C172 as I have not heard of many examiners that will ride with you  in an experimental plane for your checkride.  Then you would need to  transfer those newly learned skills into the higher performance RV.  By all  means install an autopilot if you decide to go the IFR, RV route!   

 Good luck, its always great seeing you and Mirium  at the get-togethers!

 

Randy Utsey

D.J. Distributing  Co.

1429 Bryant St.

Charlotte, NC  28208

800-585-4126

  

 djdist(at)bellsouth.net (djdist(at)bellsouth.net)

www.djdist.com

 [quote]   ---

sportav8r(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:41 am Post subject: stormy & miriam

Good thoughts, Randy.  I tell myself I never will know how far I could have gone until I push myself to try new things.  IFR rating is one such area.  The C-172 is a big deterrent, but I look for that to change as the fleet ages; at least there might be some all-glass 172's to train in soon, if not an acceptance of training in experimentals themselves.  Already have the autopilot and altitude hold installed - a real bacon-saver if used correctly; hopefully never needed for that purpose.

 

-Stormy



On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Randy <djdist(at)bellsouth.net (djdist(at)bellsouth.net)> wrote:

[quote]        Hi Stormy:  Being able to file, & fly IFR  in the system just allows you more choices.  Is it safer to bump along at  1500 AGL trying to stay VFR and looking out for antennas and spending time  at airports other than the one you want to go or to be able to use the system  that we pay a lot of money for and file IFR, climb through the broken stuff to a  clear sky and enjoy a better ride with positive control from the FED's?  I  think that the conception of flying IFR means making approaches to minimums,  dealing with alternates, low fuel, icing, etc, etc, keeps a lot of pilots away  from it.  The reality of it is you still choose the weather conditions you  are comfortable with.  If I need to go to Richmond for the day and it is  1,500 broken, 6,000 overcast then I make that trip knowing that even if I have  to make the approach I will be breaking out into VFR WX, 1,000 ft above my  decision height.  Using a 396 or 496 to monitor the WX at your destination  makes it even easier and much more comforting!  In your situation in the  beautiful mountains, having the rating and the plane would at least you get you  closer to home and allow you more choices on your cross country trips.  The  other detail to consider is that you will probably have to get the rating in a  more typical C172 as I have not heard of many examiners that will ride with you  in an experimental plane for your checkride.  Then you would need to  transfer those newly learned skills into the higher performance RV.  By all  means install an autopilot if you decide to go the IFR, RV route!   

 Good luck, its always great seeing you and Mirium  at the get-togethers!

 

Randy Utsey

D.J. Distributing  Co.

1429 Bryant St.

Charlotte, NC  28208

800-585-4126

  

 djdist(at)bellsouth.net (djdist(at)bellsouth.net)

www.djdist.com

[b]

djdist(at)bellsouth.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:33 am Post subject: stormy & miriam

You probably could find a CFII to give you the  instruction in your RV and I bet there is a designated  examiner who would  give you the checkride so you might be able to avoid the Cessna ordeal.   Most of the new Cessna's have the Garmin glass panel so that would require  another learning curve that would not be of much benefit to you in your  RV.  I could give you the dual but the distance thing would not be very  convenient.

 Later,

 

Randy Utsey CFII

RV-7 /  N55CU

Charlotte, NC  28208

800-585-4126

  

 djdist(at)bellsouth.net (djdist(at)bellsouth.net)

www.djdist.com

 [quote]   ---

sportav8r(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:41 am Post subject: stormy & miriam

Ah, but if I had the money saved up and the plane ready for this undertaking, I could move to Charlotte for a couple of weeks  



 Not this year.



-Stormy



On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Randy <djdist(at)bellsouth.net (djdist(at)bellsouth.net)> wrote:

 [quote]       You probably could find a CFII to give you the  instruction in your RV and I bet there is a designated  examiner who would  give you the checkride so you might be able to avoid the Cessna ordeal.   Most of the new Cessna's have the Garmin glass panel so that would require  another learning curve that would not be of much benefit to you in your  RV.  I could give you the dual but the distance thing would not be very  convenient.

 Later,

 

Randy Utsey CFII

RV-7 /  N55CU

Charlotte, NC  28208

800-585-4126



  

 djdist(at)bellsouth.net (djdist(at)bellsouth.net)

www.djdist.com

 

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