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kmccune

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Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 3:04 pm Post subject: Kolb Firestat II and Sport Pilot

Kolb Firestar II



Hey my buddy bought a 80% Kolb Firestar II kit. As a sport pilot how does he transition? My understanding is that as a sport pilot you have to be singed off in the exact model that you are going to fly. Please let me know if this is correct or if I'm full of it. I ask because as you know there are two seats but only one set of controls. I don't see how you could get dual instruction in one?



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Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: Kolb Firestat II and Sport Pilot

 	  kmccune wrote: 	
		  Kolb Firestar II



Hey my buddy bought a 80% Kolb Firestar II kit. As a sport pilot how does he transition? My understanding is that as a sport pilot you have to be singed off in the exact model that you are going to fly. Please let me know if this is correct or if I'm full of it. I ask because as you know there are two seats but only one set of controls. I don't see how you could get dual instruction in one?



Kevin 	




You're correct in that a sport pilot's endorsement is by category, class, make and model (CFR 61.317).  However, if he has one endorsement he can fly another make and model as long as it is in the same set of aircraft (CFR 61.319).

Here's a link to show "set of aircraft":

http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/airmen_certification/sport_pilot/media/aircraft_sets.pdf



But since his plane isn't complete he'll be given operating limitations when/if he certificates it.  It'll be up to the DAR as to how many hours must be flown off and who can fly them.  

When the DAR made my operating limitations it said a private pilot could fly off the hours or a sport pilot (or student pilot) signed off in that make/model (no "set of aircraft" exception).  He may want to talk to his DAR about that beforehand.

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kmccune

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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:18 am Post subject: Re: Kolb Firestat II and Sport Pilot

If I understand what your saying and interpreting the chart correctly. If he has a tail-wheel endorsement in say a J3,That he could fly the Kolb?  Does this also mean that he could also fly a Preceptor Pup for example, with out further endorsement's? Sorry for my ignorance,  I'm just happily building my airplane myself ( CH 701), I still have not crossed any of these bridges myself yet. 

The fly off hours are not an issue as his buddy flys for North West. 



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cristalclear13

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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:20 am Post subject: Re: Kolb Firestat II and Sport Pilot

 	  kmccune wrote: 	
		  If I understand what your saying and interpreting the chart correctly. If he has a tail-wheel endorsement in say a J3,That he could fly the Kolb?  Does this also mean that he could also fly a Preceptor Pup for example, with out further endorsement's? Sorry for my ignorance,  I'm just happily building my airplane myself ( CH 701), I still have not crossed any of these bridges myself yet. 

The fly off hours are not an issue as his buddy flys for North West. 



Kevin 	




Your interpretation is probably as good as mine.  I don't know the KCAS (Knots Calibrated Air Speed) VH (Maximum Level Flight Speed with Continuous Power) of those airplanes you mentioned...actually I don't know if the Kolb Firestar II falls into the less than or equal to 87 (I would think this one) or the greater than 87 category.

Here's another link that has a little more explanation of the category and design differences (page 3):

http://www.sweeneycorp.com/LSA-SetsofAircraft.pdf

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kmccune

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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:31 am Post subject: Re: Kolb Firestat II and Sport Pilot

Thanks for the help, I'll pass it on and see what as it happens.



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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 5:57 am Post subject: Re: Kolb Firestat II and Sport Pilot

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If he has a tail-wheel endorsement in say a J3,That he could fly the Kolb? Does this also mean that he could also fly a Preceptor Pup for example, with out further endorsement's? Sorry for my ignorance, I'm just happily building my airplane myself ( CH 701), I still have not crossed any of these bridges myself yet. 

The fly off hours are not an issue as his buddy flys for North West. 

	


If you did the training in a tail wheel airplane with a speed less than 87kts you will be rated to fly  a tail wheel set AP-2 which is less than 87 kts. So that means you can fly any light sport tail wheel airplane that flys less than 87 kts.



Too fly a plane faster than 87 kts you will have to get an endorsement. If you are rated for AP-2, You will also have to get an endorsment to fly a tri gear plane AP-1. This should be changed. If you can fly a tail wheel airplane you should be able to fly a tri gear. 



The firestar will fall under the 87kt speed. My MKIII does.



These rules apply to sport pilots.[/quote]

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