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malannx(at)bigpond.com
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 Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:17 am Post subject: Re Hand Grenade |
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Buz,
Selwyn makes a very good point. The message is that the shallow bank angle
must be retained thru the exercise. It is okay to re publish it.
The second very good reason for a well banked turn in a circuit is to stop
some else running into you. The midair often happens on final when one plane
descends onto another and it happens with monotonous regularity.
A well banked plane becomes very visible to other aircraft. It will
immediately catch their attention and has the added advantage that often
there will be a flash of sunlight off the aircraft. Glider pilots will know
that you can catch the flash 5-10 miles away then you can go and "borrow"
his thermal.
In Australia the required radio transmissions are to call
"............turning base........." or "...........turning
final............". To make yourself as visible as possible as you give
your radio call, is a great service to other pilots.
A third reason is that if you turn at 30-40 degrees your turn is over very
quickly. If you are gradually washing off speed you are unlikely to get to
the stalling stage before the turn is completed, and you are more likely to
notice it.
Another little tip is to line up on final slightly off line. Your instructor
won't like it and your pilot friend will think you are a sloppy flier, but
it gives you a better chance to see some else who maybe on final with you.
Can't happen you say???
Well it can happen easily. You both are unfortunate to transmit at the same
time so don't know each other is there. Just this scenario happened last
year on a busy airfield where one of the Aussie Lightnings is based.
EFATO. Practice makes proficiency and you owe it to yourself to be good at
it. Read the information on http://www.auf.asn.au/safety/efato.html again.
Some time ago the local aero club had a talk from one of it's members. He
had been in the RAAF and went to the UK test pilot school(Buz will know its
name) while seconded to the RAF for 12 months.
2 things he impressed on me.
Fly high, for when the fan stops the higher you are the area available
increases exponentially.
He was highly critical of pilots who retracted the under carriage and flaps
while they still had enough runway ahead to land if the engine failed.
A great comment off another list: After an engine failure "land ahead to the
hospital, turn back to the graveyard"
Turning back can be done by very good pilots and the error margins are slim.
It is a regular killer of pilots. I don't consider it an option until I have
attained circuit height unless there is a cross strip strategically placed.
All the above is only my humble opinion and is given to try to generate an
active discussion.
We need to keep our accident rate down. Insurance companies are talking
about discontinuing insurance for Lancairs due to their accident rate. Think
what that will do for the value of Lancairs and the health of the company.
We don't want that.
Now to go and have a fly and have some fun-if only I can get my radio back
from the repairer.
Malcolm Ferguson
(Esqual-one of the early ones with the good airfoil except it lands too
fast)
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Kayberg(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:25 am Post subject: Re Hand Grenade |
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In a message dated 9/3/2008 8:18:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, malannx(at)bigpond.com writes:
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A great comment off another list: After an engine failure "land ahead to the
hospital, turn back to the graveyard"
Turning back can be done by very good pilots and the error margins are slim.
It is a regular killer of pilots. I don't consider it an option until I have
attained circuit height unless there is a cross strip strategically placed.
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I agree with the above with the exception of not turning back unless circuit height or more.
I strongly suggest that pilots practice simulated turnbacks at altitude so they know what the bird will do. A loaded Citabria, for example, can make a turnback in 300-400 feet IF the pilot knows how.
I sometimes wonder if the platitudes offered by instructors can be an excuse to not teach something. Why not just teach students how to make the turnback in the best way? Or pull the power a few times on takeoff and let the student discover his own reaction times? ( I suggest doing this with a lot of runway ahead of you!!!)
I suspect about half of the turnback accidents happen because there was no training, only verbage. Instincts to turnback at low altitude can only be overcome with practice.
In the case of instructors who always try to stay high, it is the lack of experience down low that can kill people. Of course having altitude means some safety margin. But a whole lot of pilots are not prepared for low flying. It is not the end of the world, cropdusters do it all day.
What do others think the minimum turnback altitude is for a Lightning?
Doug Koenigsberg
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N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:53 am Post subject: Re Hand Grenade |
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In a message dated 9/3/2008 9:25:46 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Kayberg(at)aol.com writes:
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Good discussion guys. Keep it up. But to address Doug's question (above), below is what Nick and I wrote in the Lightning Flight Manual, Chapter Three, Emergency Procedures. Everyone with a Lightning kit should have a copy of this Flight Manual. You can modify it to suit your liking, but it is provided as a starting point. Chapters three (emergency procedures) and four (normal procedures) are designed so that they can be "shrink copied" and thus become an in cockpit checklist.
ENGINE FAILURE DURING TAKE-OFF: After lift off – If no restart attempted
1. Speed -establish best glide speed - 87 mph
2. Altitude -check
If 200 feet or less, land straight ahead.
200 feet to 400 feet, turns up to 45 degrees
400 feet to 600 feet, turns up to 90 degrees.
600 feet to 800 feet, consider turns back to the airport area.
Above 800 feet, consider a turn back to the departure runway.
3. Flaps -extend as required
4. Fuel -off
5. Ignition -off
6. Belts -tighten
7. Propeller -set to horizontal position
8. Master -off
9. Land
The above recommendations are based on lots of considerations (weather, runway length, airport environment, etc.) but if you use it as a guideline and practice max rate turns at altitude (power off in the takeoff configuration), you will get a feel for what your airplane really is capable of and then may be able to come up with your own set of parameters for a "turn back".
Buz
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walt.mefford(at)garmin.co
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:57 am Post subject: Re Hand Grenade |
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Where does one get a copy?
Walt M.
N881WP
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 6:53 AM
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Subject: Re: Re Hand Grenade
In a message dated 9/3/2008 9:25:46 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Kayberg(at)aol.com writes:
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What do others think the minimum turnback altitude is for a Lightning?
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Good discussion guys. Keep it up. But to address Doug's question (above), below is what Nick and I wrote in the [b]Lightning Flight Manual, Chapter Three, Emergency Procedures[/b]. Everyone with a Lightning kit should have a copy of this Flight Manual. You can modify it to suit your liking, but it is provided as a starting point. Chapters three (emergency procedures) and four (normal procedures) are designed so that they can be "shrink copied" and thus become an in cockpit checklist.
ENGINE FAILURE DURING TAKE-OFF: After lift off – If no restart attempted
1. Speed -establish best glide speed - 87 mph
2. Altitude -check
[b]If 200 feet or less, land straight ahead.[/b]
[b]200 feet to 400 feet, turns up to 45 degrees [/b]
[b]400 feet to 600 feet, turns up to 90 degrees.[/b]
[b]600 feet to 800 feet, consider turns back to the airport area. [/b]
[b]Above 800 feet, consider a turn back to the departure runway.[/b]
3. Flaps -extend as required
4. Fuel -off
5. Ignition -off
6. Belts -tighten
7. Propeller -set to horizontal position
8. Master -off
9. Land
The above recommendationsare based on lots of considerations (weather, runway length, airport environment, etc.) but if you use it as a guideline and practice max rate turns at altitude (power off in the takeoff configuration), you will get a feel for what your airplane really is capable of and then may be able to come up with your own set of parameters for a "turn back".
Buz
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N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:40 am Post subject: Re Hand Grenade |
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In a message dated 9/3/2008 9:58:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, walt.mefford(at)garmin.com writes:
| Quote: | | Where does one get a copy? |
You should have gotten a copy of the Prototype Lightning Flight Manual (POH) when you got your kit (or shortly after that). It is on a CD and should be available from any of the Lightning dealers and from the guys at SYI. Nick, Pete and I came up with this back when just the prototype was flying and they have kept it updated as things have changed. It is put together similar to an Air Force "Dash One" (-1) with chapters or sections as listed below:
GENERAL…………………………………………………………………………….…1
LIMITATIONS……………………………………………………………………..…..2
EMERGENCY PROCEDURES……………………………………………………...…3
NORMAL OPERATING PROCEDURES……………………………………….……4
PERFORMANCE DATA………………………………………………………….…..5
WEIGHT AND BALANCE………………………………………………………..…..6
AIRCRAFT AND SYSTEMS DESCRIPTOIN………………………………………7
AIRCRAFT HANDLING, CARE AND MAINTENANCE……………………...….8
SUPPLEMENTS……………………………………………………………………......9
A Flight Manual (Pilot's Operating Handbook) is required for any aircraft (certified or experimental) and you, as the builder of an experimental aircraft, are responsible for coming up with one for your "jet". Arion came up with this one for the prototype, but makes it available to builders to use (and update to reflect your aircraft) as you see fit.
Hope this helps,
Buz
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walt.mefford(at)garmin.co
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:55 am Post subject: Re Hand Grenade |
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Nope. Never seen it.
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N1BZRich(at)aol.com
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Subject: Re: Re Hand Grenade
In a message dated 9/3/2008 9:58:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, walt.mefford(at)garmin.com writes:
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Where does one get a copy? |
You should have gotten a copy of the Prototype Lightning Flight Manual (POH) when you got your kit (or shortly after that). It is on a CD and should be available from any of the Lightning dealers and from the guys at SYI. Nick, Pete and I came up with this back when just the prototype was flying and they have kept it updated as things have changed. It is put together similar to an Air Force "Dash One" (-1) with chapters or sections as listed below:
GENERAL…………………………………………………………………………….…1
LIMITATIONS……………………………………………………………………..…..2
EMERGENCY PROCEDURES……………………………………………………...…3
NORMAL OPERATING PROCEDURES……………………………………….……4
PERFORMANCE DATA………………………………………………………….…..5
WEIGHT AND BALANCE………………………………………………………..…..6
AIRCRAFT AND SYSTEMS DESCRIPTOIN………………………………………7
AIRCRAFT HANDLING, CARE AND MAINTENANCE……………………...….8
SUPPLEMENTS……………………………………………………………………......9
AFlight Manual (Pilot's Operating Handbook) is required for any aircraft (certified or experimental) and you, as the builder of an experimental aircraft, are responsible for coming up with one for your "jet". Arion came up with this one for the prototype, but makes it available to builders to use (and update to reflect your aircraft) as you see fit.
Hope this helps,
Buz
It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here.
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N1BZRich(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:16 am Post subject: Re Hand Grenade |
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In a message dated 9/3/2008 1:56:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, walt.mefford(at)garmin.com writes:
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Nope. Never seen it. |
Well, you might want to check with Greg. I personally think it will save you lots of work if you get a copy from Greg or SYI. At least it will give you a starting point if you want to develop your own. Heck, I am kind of proud of it - maybe a case of "pride of authorship". Basically you should be able to use all of it "as is" with the exception of section five which is the performance data. The performance data that you gather during your 40 hour testing is where you would come up with data specific to your "jet".
Any other Lightning builders or flyers "out there" who haven't seen this?
Buz
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walt.mefford(at)garmin.co
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:25 am Post subject: Re Hand Grenade |
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-Buz
I agree it would be an excellent starting point.
Walt M.
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Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 11:14 AM
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Subject: Re: Re Hand Grenade
In a message dated 9/3/2008 1:56:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, walt.mefford(at)garmin.com writes:
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Nope. Never seen it. |
Well, you might want to check with Greg. I personally think it will save you lots of work if you get a copy from Greg or SYI. At least it will give you a starting point if you want to develop your own. Heck, I am kind of proud of it - maybe a case of "pride of authorship". Basically you should be able to use all of it "as is" with the exception of section five which is the performance data. The performance data that you gather during your 40 hour testing is where you would come up with data specific to your "jet".
Any other Lightning builders or flyers "out there" who haven't seen this?
Buz
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sttwig(at)wabroadband.com
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:30 am Post subject: Re Hand Grenade |
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Add me to the list of never seen one. I have heard it referred to in the
past and assumed I would receive one as I got closer to completion. It
would be interesting to study now, though.
Steve
Kit #48 N357SL
| Quote: | Nope. Never seen it.
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N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 10:40 AM
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re Hand Grenade
In a message dated 9/3/2008 9:58:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
walt.mefford(at)garmin.com writes:
Where does one get a copy?
You should have gotten a copy of the Prototype Lightning Flight Manual
(POH) when you got your kit (or shortly after that). It is on a CD and
should be available from any of the Lightning dealers and from the guys
at SYI. Nick, Pete and I came up with this back when just the prototype
was flying and they have kept it updated as things have changed. It is
put together similar to an Air Force "Dash One" (-1) with chapters or
sections as listed below:
GENERAL.................................................................
..........................1
LIMITATIONS.............................................................
........................2
EMERGENCY
PROCEDURES..............................................................
....3
NORMAL OPERATING
PROCEDURES....................................................4
PERFORMANCE
DATA....................................................................
....5
WEIGHT AND
BALANCE.................................................................
.....6
AIRCRAFT AND SYSTEMS
DESCRIPTOIN.............................................7
AIRCRAFT HANDLING, CARE AND MAINTENANCE...............................8
SUPPLEMENTS.............................................................
.......................9
AFlight Manual (Pilot's Operating Handbook) is required for any aircraft
(certified or experimental) and you, as the builder of an experimental
aircraft, are responsible for coming up with one for your "jet". Arion
came up with this one for the prototype, but makes it available to
builders to use (and update to reflect your aircraft) as you see fit.
Hope this helps,
Buz
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:33 am Post subject: Re Hand Grenade |
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All,
Buz is justifiably proud of the Lightning POH; in addition to the performance figures, however, there are probably several other places where you need to update with your own data. Examples are lists of equipment, pictures of your aircraft and panel, weight and balance, etc.
I wouldn't have known about it either if Buz hadn't shown it to me and shared the draft copy. It should be available to all builders but it seems you have to bug someone to get it.
Linda
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IFLYSMODEL(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:33 am Post subject: Re Hand Grenade |
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Hey Buz: I had not seen it until I asked Mark specifically for a copy. He then sent me an email copy of the generic one you & Nick had put together. Fortunately for me, I printed it because my computer failed this last week end. It appears that I have lost all my documents. Looks like it is new computer time.
Lynn Nelsen
In a message dated 9/3/2008 2:17:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, N1BZRich(at)aol.com writes:
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Nope. Never seen it. |
Well, you might want to check with Greg. I personally think it will save you lots of work if you get a copy from Greg or SYI. At least it will give you a starting point if you want to develop your own. Heck, I am kind of proud of it - maybe a case of "pride of authorship". Basically you should be able to use all of it "as is" with the exception of section five which is the performance data. The performance data that you gather during your 40 hour testing is where you would come up with data specific to your "jet".
Any other Lightning builders or flyers "out there" who haven't seen this?
Buz
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:51 am Post subject: Re Hand Grenade |
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Maybe they should put it up in the owners section. This way we would have access to it if we did not get the CD, (I did not either, but Buz saved me on that one)
On 9/3/08, JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS <lbmathias(at)verizon.net (lbmathias(at)verizon.net)> wrote: [quote] All,
Buz is justifiably proud of the Lightning POH; in addition to the performance figures, however, there are probably several other places where you need to update with your own data. Examples are lists of equipment, pictures of your aircraft and panel, weight and balance, etc.
I wouldn't have known about it either if Buz hadn't shown it to me and shared the draft copy. It should be available to all builders but it seems you have to bug someone to get it.
Linda
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dashvii(at)hotmail.com
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 1:07 pm Post subject: Re Hand Grenade |
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I've got a copy of it. I'll see if I can find it later. It's too big to post on this forum though. Perhaps Jim will host one on his site?
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To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re Hand Grenade
Maybe they should put it up in the owners section. This way we would have access to it if we did not get the CD C (I did not either C but Buz saved me on that one)
On 9/3/08 C JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS <lbmathias(at)verizon.net (lbmathias(at)verizon.net)> wrote: [quote] All C
Buz is justifiably proud of the Lightning POH; in addition to the performance figures C however C there are probably several other places where you need to update with your own data. Examples are lists of equipment C pictures of your aircraft and panel C weight and balance C etc.
I wouldn't have known about it either if Buz hadn't shown it to me and shared the draft copy. It should be available to all builders but it seems you have to bug someone to get it.
Linda
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 2:16 pm Post subject: Re Hand Grenade |
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In a message dated 9/3/2008 3:34:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lbmathias(at)verizon.net writes:
| Quote: | | however, there are probably several other places where you need to update with your own data. Examples are lists of equipment, pictures of your aircraft and panel, weight and balance, etc. |
Excellent catch, Linda. Another reason why this list is a good thing. We have others covering our 6. Good wingman (or in this case, good wingwoman or would that be good winglady?)
Buz
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In a message dated 9/3/2008 3:52:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pequeajim(at)gmail.com writes:
| Quote: | | Maybe they should put it up in the owners section. |
Jim,
That may be a good idea. I like that better than posting on the list for several reasons. With it posted on the list Arion will probably have lots of people with open access to it, and that might cause some unforseen problems. Second, with it just in the owners section, Arion could post updates as they become available and that way could insure the latest information is published.
I know that Nick checks this list several times a day, so he will see this suggestion and he can make the decision as to what way he wants to proceed.
Buz
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 2:26 pm Post subject: Re Hand Grenade |
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In a message dated 9/3/2008 5:08:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dashvii(at)hotmail.com writes:
| Quote: | Perhaps Jim will host one on his site?
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As I mentioned on a previous message, I think the better solution is to have it posted on the Arion web site in an "owners only" section. That way they could kind of control its use and at the same time insure that only up to date information is posted.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:02 am Post subject: Re Hand Grenade |
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Hi Doug,
I agree with what you say, but we must remember that people of varying
expertise read these sorts of discussions and its important that we don't
put forward a one size fits all solution. I just enunciated my my efato
procedure and everyone should develop their own. At max wt my Esqual stalls
at about 65kts tas(and I don't want comments about that figure being
wrong-it's right). At 500' I am also in negative flap as it climbs another
100'/min extra, so I have elected that steep turn backs at 90kts are a no
no.
Unfortunately the majority of pilots don't do much emergency training except
for their biennial flight review, maybe the odd simulated power failure into
a paddock(or is it fields in the US?)
In flight power failures maybe don't happen as much as on takeoff so maybe
efato should be practiced more frequently.
I think 2 big gotchas on a turn back are headwinds that become a tailwind on
turning back, and most people do not realize that a turn back requires more
than a 180 degree turn as you have to get back to the runway centre line
then make a turn in the opposite direction to line up.
One pilot I know tracks away from the centre line once over the threshold so
only a 180 is required on a turn back.
I agree with you about the instructor attitudes, but I guess they only do
the minimum required to meet the syllabus. Here in Aus at the moment
instructors are becoming more inexperienced and some clubs have ceased
training due to the airlines aggressive recruiting of experienced
instructors.
I definitely think there is a place for more intense emergency training
once a pilot has got his wings.
Malcolm Ferguson
(Esqual-one of the early ones with the good airfoil except it lands too
fast)
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:02 am Post subject: Re Hand Grenade |
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We were having a discussion at Green Landings yesterday about the topic.
We agreed that pilots should practice engine outs and practice some variety of maneuvers to improve their flying skills. I had been working with a new pilot on chandelles, Dutch rolls and mild wingovers....as a way to improve rudder skills,
We also talked about inertia and its effect on maneuvers. For some reason, that is not discussed much but is well known to experienced pilots like fighter jocks and cropdusters.
There seem to be two types of Lightning owners. Those who mostly want to go cross-country and those who just like to fly the plane.
It would be great if we could offer suggestions of how to improve general flying skills for both.
I think it is easy to get into the "Saturday pilot" mode where one goes to the airport, performs the same rituals each time and then goes home. I notice that most of them tend to fly the same missions each time. I wish there was some way to better inspire them to improve as pilots.
Doug Koenigsberg
In a message dated 9/4/2008 9:03:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, malannx(at)bigpond.com writes:
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Hi Doug,
I agree with what you say, but we must remember that people of varying
expertise read these sorts of discussions and its important that we don't
put forward a one size fits all solution. I just enunciated my my efato
procedure and everyone should develop their own. At max wt my Esqual stalls
at about 65kts tas(and I don't want comments about that figure being
wrong-it's right). At 500' I am also in negative flap as it climbs another
100'/min extra, so I have elected that steep turn backs at 90kts are a no
no.
Unfortunately the majority of pilots don't do much emergency training except
for their biennial flight review, maybe the odd simulated power failure into
a paddock(or is it fields in the US?)
In flight power failures maybe don't happen as much as on takeoff so maybe
efato should be practiced more frequently.
I think 2 big gotchas on a turn back are headwinds that become a tailwind on
turning back, and most people do not realize that a turn back requires more
than a 180 degree turn as you have to get back to the runway centre line
then make a turn in the opposite direction to line up.
One pilot I know tracks away from the centre line once over the threshold so
only a 180 is required on a turn back.
I agree with you about the instructor attitudes, but I guess they only do
the minimum required to meet the syllabus. Here in Aus at the moment
instructors are becoming more inexperienced and some clubs have ceased
training due to the airlines aggressive recruiting of experienced
instructors.
I definitely think there is a place for more intense emergency training
once a pilot has got his wings.
Malcolm Ferguson
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:10 am Post subject: Re Hand Grenade |
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Doug a really useful exercise, borrowed from the gliding movement is
"rolling on a point".
Very good for teaching co-ordinated use of the rudder. Pick a point in the
distance like a hill, town, lake etc.
Begin rocking the wings from one side to the other, going about 15-20
degrees either way and keep it up for several cycles. If you get the rhythm
right(don't hurry it) and use the correct amount of rudder, the nose will
stay pointing directly at the hill etc as you rock from side to side.
As an exercise it is very intolerant of poor rudder co-ordination and the
nose will wander all over the place.
Cessna 172s and the like are not very good trainers for stick and rudder
skills as they tend to turn in a relatively co-ordinated fashion without the
use of rudder. My Esqual falls into this category if the turns are gentle.
A lot of older instructors lament the lack of stick and rudder skills in the
current generation of pilots who grew up in tricycle geared aircraft.
Don't know how you encourage people to get out of their comfort zone. It is
a culture that needs to be encouraged by the instructors. If you're going
to do some "exercises" grab someone for the ride. It will at least expose
them to something different and they may just have a go for themselves
later.
Still not back in the air due to my Xcom being updated. I have an early one
that required 2 hardware updates and a software update, for no charge, but
they found another fault that I have had to pay for. Getting with drawl
symptoms.
Malcolm
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:40 pm Post subject: Re Hand Grenade |
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In a message dated 9/6/2008 8:10:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, malannx(at)bigpond.com writes:
| Quote: | Still not back in the air due to my Xcom being updated. I have an early one
that required 2 hardware updates and a software update, for no charge, but
they found another fault that I have had to pay for. Getting with drawl
symptoms.
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Dont get me started on the XCOM stuff.
doug koenigsberg
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