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psm(at)att.net
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:23 pm Post subject: Cable Swaging tool

Hi Rich,



I am about to start control cables for my XL, but I used the swage-it 

tool for the canopy latch cables.  I found it to be a very nice tool 

to use and was surprised at the quality of the results.  I can't 

imagine any other tool would produce better results.



I think the more important question is how to gauge the results of 

cable sleeve swaging.  There is an inexpensive tool you can get from 

Aircraft Spruce (and probably many other sources) to measure the 

results of an attempt to swage a cable.  It is this measurement that 

leads you to believe you have done a good job rather than the choice 

of tools to do the swaging.



The inexpensive swage-it tool is not very fast to operate.  You use a 

wrench and some aircraft bolts to compress the sleeve rather than a 

big and expensive bolt-cutter shaped tool.  I suppose if I were an 

hourly paid mechanic I would opt for the expensive tool because of 

its time saving quality rather than the quality of results.  For a 

typical home builder who will use the tool for a few cables perhaps 

every few years the inexpensive tool seems like a more appropriate choice.



Paul

XL getting close

At 07:02 PM 9/15/2008, you wrote:

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		  http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/swageit.php



The above is a swagging kit from Aircraft spruce. From those who 

have hit the cable rigging point in building,

is this enough.



Any suggestion for other tools that will accomplish the same inexpensively?



Do not archive

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Thanks,

Rich Simmons

bryanmmartin

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1018

Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:46 pm Post subject: Cable Swaging tool

This one is a bit easier to use and similar to one I bought on eBay: http://tinyurl.com/5lm95j

On Sep 15, 2008, at 10:02 PM, Rich Simmons wrote:



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 Simmons)

 http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/swageit.php



 The above is a swagging kit from Aircraft spruce. From those who  

 have hit the cable rigging point in building,

 is this enough.



 Any suggestion for other tools that will accomplish the same  

 inexpensively?




	




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Bryan Martin

N61BM, CH 601 XL,

RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.

do not archive.

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Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
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ggower_99(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:59 pm Post subject: Cable Swaging tool

Hello Rich:

  

 One point of view only. Do as you think is better.

  

 The only tool that will give good result, with LESS chances of incorrect swaging is this one:

  

 http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/nicopresstool.php

  

 Yes, is expensive,  more here in Mexico.  I "had"   to make a special trip to Los Angeles then to Corona to buy it (with some other "goodies" of course). 

 We did a colect with some of the builders in the area (8 of us)  and bought one.

  

 We "rent" it for a short fee to the ones that did not thought was a good idea 

  

 Correct cable rigging IS an important part of our airplane that "needs"  good peace of mind when flying in turbulence.  Not as important as rigging a wood and cloth airplane but important enough.

  

 In USA with so many EAA Chapters and builders, I am sure that you can find one close to you that you can rent or borrow, or better. make a "bring your beer" barbacue (theme: cables rigging) any Saturday... 

  

 Might work for you.

  

 Saludos

 Gary Gower

 Flying from Chapala Mexico.

 "Here all aviation Goodies, Materials and Tools" are imported with Customs Fees $$$."

  

 



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		  From: Rich Simmons <4RCSIMMONS(at)comcast.net>

Subject: Cable Swaging tool

To: "Zenith-List Digest List" <zenith-list-digest(at)matronics.com>

Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 10:02 PM



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		  --> Zenith-List message posted by: 4RCSIMMONS(at)comcast.net (Rich Simmons)

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/swageit.php



The above is a swagging kit from Aircraft spruce. From those who have hit the

cable rigging point in building,

is this enough.



Any suggestion for other tools that will accomplish the same inexpensively?



Do not archive

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Thanks,

Rich Simmons





	
	


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jaybannist(at)cs.com
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 4:33 am Post subject: Cable Swaging tool

Rich,



The shown swager (bolt type) is what I used for all my cables.  The 

alternative tools (big pliers type) are a LOT more expensive.  You 

might be able to borrow one of those.  They are quicker and more 

positive. However, the bolt type can be used in more confined places 

where there might not be enough room to use the big pliiers type.



Jay in Dallas

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tonyplane(at)bellsouth.ne
Guest

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:53 am Post subject: Cable Swaging tool

Rich,

That is the type nicropress tool I used.  The "kit" I bought was in a yellow 

case, had sleeves, the swagger, and a gauge to ensure proper swaging for the 

size sleeve used, although if the swage tool was completely closed up on the 

swage, the swage was always OK per the gauge.  It did not have a cable 

cutter.  To cut the cable, I taped the area and used a dremal with a cut-off 

wheel.

Tony Graziano

XL/Jab; 419 hrs



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bryanmmartin

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1018

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:05 am Post subject: Cable Swaging tool

I bought a brand new tool similar to this on eBay for about $50. It's made in China but it came with a go -no go gauge to check the resulting crimp. As long as the crimp is within tolerance, it doesn't matter how much you paid for the tool. If you don't have the go - no go gauge, you should definitely get one to check the crimps you make. The tool I have doesn't include a cable cutter but a cut-off wheel works better anyway.



On Sep 16, 2008, at 12:57 AM, Gary Gower wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Hello Rich:

  

 One point of view only. Do as you think is better.

  

 The only tool that will give good result, with LESS chance

s of incorrect swaging is this one:

  

 http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/nicopresstool.php

  

 Yes, is expensive,  more here in Mexico.  I "had"   to make a special trip to Los Angeles then to Corona to buy it (with some other "goodies" of course). 

 We did a colect with some of the builders in the area (8 of us)  and bought one.

  

 

	




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Bryan Martin

N61BM, CH 601 XL,

RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.

do not archive.



 



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notsew_evets(at)frontiern
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:20 am Post subject: Cable Swaging tool

Seldom do I post here but I do watch discussions daily.  This cable topic is dear to my heart.....

I ve used both the "nico" press and also the small bolt together type of squeezers.  The long handle press has been best.  A no- go gauge is not required on this type of squeeze.  With the bolt together type a go- no go gauge is highly recommeded.  I have had cable failure with the bolt together type..

Some say I do an over kill on my fittings as I now always use two nico press sleeves on my cables.    Ever notice cables on garage doors ???

If the installer used only one "U" bolt, you usually will have it slip......

Anyway,  I vote for the long handle squeezer.........

Now comes the cable tension....

Larry Mc has a home made gauge which I copied.  The thing actually works!

However my good friend has a real C-8  gauge. The thing cost $900 buckaroos.

Man what a difference.

I guess what most dont realize is that to own and maintain airplanes you need tools.  Tools can set you back thousands of dollars but its nice to have equipment.....



Jmo



SW

601XL QBK

N9554Z

naumuk(at)alltel.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 2:42 pm Post subject: Cable Swaging tool

Guys-

    From experience I can tell you-

    1. The $20 ACS tool works just fine, but you'll wind up with carpal 

tunnel by the time you're done.

    2. You have to go back to the Grand Master of homebuilding, Tony 

Bingelis, for THE technique for cutting cable.

    Put a wrap of electrical tape around the area you want to cut, lay it on 

a stout piece of steel (Like the back of a good size vise) and smack it with 

a 3 lb hammer and a cold chisel. Perfect, clean, cheap, and quick.

    Try it. I defy anyone to beat the technique. Even for old-timers, try 

it. Afterwards, you'll never recommend any other way.

                                                                    Bill

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notsew_evets(at)frontiern
Guest

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 3:21 pm Post subject: Cable Swaging tool

Yes but.....



For $19 from ACS, I purchased a real cable cutter.  The best thing I 

"almost" ever dun did.

I kick myself for the years of hacking the cable in two.

The new cutter is soooooo easy.

I should have, years ago.  Duh!



Steve Weston

Arizona  A20

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naumuk(at)alltel.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:00 pm Post subject: Cable Swaging tool

Try Tony's technique. You'll kick yourself for spending the $19!

                                                                Bill

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notsew_evets(at)frontiern
Guest

Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:43 pm Post subject: Cable Swaging tool

I guess if I were not a RICH airplane owner I might try a primitave tool 

like a hammer.

But because I m on social security I can have all the fangled tools I want.



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