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tfisher(at)commandergroup Guest
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:10 pm Post subject: Aerodynamics |
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An aerodynamic question.
As I push the speed over 180MPH to 200 - 250MPH, I need to start cranking in right rudder to keep trimmed.
I cannot see any asymmetrical issues with the rudder itself.
Tom
C-GISS
680FLP (Mr.RPM)
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cloudcraft(at)aol.com Guest
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 4:28 am Post subject: Aerodynamics |
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Tom,
Since the models 680 and below do not have aileron trim, both roll and yaw trim is done via rudder.
I'd check the fixed trim tab on the aileron first (making a tiny correction since you only notice what I think is left roll at high speed). Aileron rigging would then be the next and more difficult thing to do.
If that doesn't work I can claim that I'm up too early and should not be trying to answer aerodynamics questions instead of checking weather and flight planning -- which I must do right now.
Best,
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
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moe-rosspistons(at)hotmai Guest
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:08 am Post subject: Aerodynamics |
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Dear Commander Folks:
As always the event was most enjoyable. Also, as could be expected my Commander got me home safe and sound.
While speaking to Jack Chappell's daughter, I failed to get her contact information. Could anyone please help me in this regard.
A special big thanks to JB for presenting me with the Golden Pedal Award. As I was driving back from N19 to my house I saw my neighbor out in his yard. You can't believe how impressed he, his wife, and two daughters were when I explained to them that in order to get the award that:
A. I had to have the best paint job and ramp appearance of any Commander there
B. That I won the 20 mile pylon race
C. I won the Commander knowledge contest
D. Ditto the ground handling contest
E. Ditto the beer drinking contest at The Wormy Dog
Our fearless leaders presentation of this award to me has elevated my standing in our new community an almost immeasurable amount. Later today, my neighbors wife is calling The Farmington Daily News to insist that they do a human interest article on me including a photo of me and the Golden Pedal.
Again, thanks!
Moe Mills
Current holder of the Golden Pedal Award
N680RR
680Fp
From: Keith S. Gordon (cloudcraft(at)aol.com)
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 5:28 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Aerodynamics
Tom,
Since the models 680 and below do not have aileron trim, both roll and yaw trim is done via rudder.
I'd check the fixed trim tab on the aileron first (making a tiny correction since you only notice what I think is left roll at high speed). Aileron rigging would then be the next and more difficult thing to do.
If that doesn't work I can claim that I'm up too early and should not be trying to answer aerodynamics questions instead of checking weather and flight planning -- which I must do right now.
Best,
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
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kamala(at)MSN.COM Guest
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:28 am Post subject: Aerodynamics |
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ditto to all involved w/ the get together (at) PWA.� thank you.� gmc
From: moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Aerodynamics
Date: Mon C 22 Sep 2008 06:08:06 -0700
Dear Commander Folks:
�
As always the event was most enjoyable.� Also C as could be expected my Commander got me home safe and sound.
�
While speaking to Jack Chappell's daughter C I failed to get her contact information.� Could anyone please help me in this regard.
�
A special big thanks to JB for presenting me with the Golden Pedal Award. As I was driving back from N19 to my house I saw my neighbor out in his yard.� You can't believe how impressed he C his wife C and two daughters were when I explained to them that in order to get the award that:
A. I had to have the best paint job and ramp appearance of any Commander there
B. That I won the 20 mile pylon race
C. I won the Commander knowledge contest
D. Ditto the ground handling contest
E. Ditto the beer drinking contest at The Wormy Dog
�
Our fearless leaders presentation of this� award to me has elevated my standing in our new community an almost immeasurable amount.� Later today C my neighbors wife is calling The Farmington Daily News to insist that they do a human interest article on me including a photo of me and the Golden Pedal.
�
Again C thanks!
�
Moe Mills
Current holder of the Golden Pedal Award
N680RR
680Fp
�
From: Keith S. Gordon (cloudcraft(at)aol.com)
Sent: Monday C September 22 C 2008 5:28 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Aerodynamics
Tom C
Since the models 680 and below do not have aileron trim C both roll and yaw trim is done via rudder.�
I'd check the fixed trim tab on the aileron first (making a tiny correction since you only notice what I think is left roll at high speed).�� Aileron rigging would then be the next and more difficult thing to do.
If that doesn't work I can claim that I'm up too early and should not be trying to answer aerodynamics questions instead of checking weather and flight planning -- which I must do right now.�
Best C
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
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jtaddington(at)verizon.ne Guest
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:40 am Post subject: Aerodynamics |
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I sure had a good time as always. I did learn that you really have to watch your six O’clock though. People will steal your chicken and well it can end up a smelly situation, and they will put chocks in front of your wheels when your back is turned after your preflight. The guys from down under and up north do things in Hooters you can’t believe but I love you all to death anyway and hope everyone made and make it home safe.
Jim Addington
N444BD 500A
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of MASON CHEVAILLIER
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 8:28 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Aerodynamics
ditto to all involved w/ the get together (at) PWA. thank you. gmc
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From: moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Aerodynamics
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 06:08:06 -0700
Dear Commander Folks:
As always the event was most enjoyable. Also, as could be expected my Commander got me home safe and sound.
While speaking to Jack Chappell's daughter, I failed to get her contact information. Could anyone please help me in this regard.
A special big thanks to JB for presenting me with the Golden Pedal Award. As I was driving back from N19 to my house I saw my neighbor out in his yard. You can't believe how impressed he, his wife, and two daughters were when I explained to them that in order to get the award that:
A. I had to have the best paint job and ramp appearance of any Commander there
B. That I won the 20 mile pylon race
C. I won the Commander knowledge contest
D. Ditto the ground handling contest
E. Ditto the beer drinking contest at The Wormy Dog
Our fearless leaders presentation of this award to me has elevated my standing in our new community an almost immeasurable amount. Later today, my neighbors wife is calling The Farmington Daily News to insist that they do a human interest article on me including a photo of me and the Golden Pedal.
Again, thanks!
Moe Mills
Current holder of the Golden Pedal Award
N680RR
680Fp
From: Keith S. Gordon (cloudcraft(at)aol.com)
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 5:28 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Aerodynamics
Tom,
Since the models 680 and below do not have aileron trim, both roll and yaw trim is done via rudder.
I'd check the fixed trim tab on the aileron first (making a tiny correction since you only notice what I think is left roll at high speed). Aileron rigging would then be the next and more difficult thing to do.
If that doesn't work I can claim that I'm up too early and should not be trying to answer aerodynamics questions instead of checking weather and flight planning -- which I must do right now.
Best,
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
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tfisher(at)commandergroup Guest
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:52 am Post subject: Aerodynamics |
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Thanks Keith, I will pursue that angle, (pun).
Tom...
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yourtcfg(at)aol.com Guest
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Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:33 am Post subject: Aerodynamics |
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TO; Mr Moe Mills, Current Holder of the "Golden Pedal Award" N680RR 680Fp
FROM: Mr Jim Metzger, Director, Twin Commander flight Group (TCFG)
Mr Mills:
I read with great interest your posting regarding you recent acceptance of the Golden Pedal Award (GPW). First, I want to congratulate you on the above mentioned award. It is indeed a special honor to have been chosen. I have, however, come to the conclusion that you may be a bit confused as to the qualification for receiving this prestigious honor. I can only assume that the time you spent on the evening of 09-18-2008 at the Stinky Dog saloon has forever clouded your opinion of your abilities as a pilot in command If you will indulge me, I would like to address each of the inaccurate and felonious reasons you gave for receiving this trophy.
Your point "A" : Due to an apparent recent Skydrol fluid leak, there is no longer enough paint remaining on your Commander to even be considered for the "Best Paint" award!!!!!!
Your point "B": At your Commander's normal fuel burn, it does not hold enough fuel to complete a 20 mile closed course race!!!!!
Your point "C": It is my opinion and that of the judging committee (The Australians and my Wife) that your total wealth on "Commander Knowledge" is limited to remembering you "N" number!!!!!!!
Your point "D": While it is true that no one witnessed your landing and subsequent taxi, I have it on good (first hand) authority that both were abysmal!!!!!!
Your Point "E": See above.
In conclusion, let me thank you for you attendance and kind words Blah, blah, blah jb (and the Ozzies & Harriet (aka Sue).
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