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clrprop

Joined: 16 Sep 2008
Posts: 44
Location: SC

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 4:26 pm Post subject: Mark III performance

Could someone post the perfomance data for the Mark III C / 582 ?



I've e-mailed Kolb a couple of times but haven't heard back. Is there a pilot operating handbook for this plane?



Thxs

clrprop

Joined: 16 Sep 2008
Posts: 44
Location: SC

Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 5:08 am Post subject: Re: Mark III performance

Can someone help me out a little here?

Was there ever a POH for the MarkIII C? If so, is it possible to get a copy? Operating limitations? Performance data?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:47 am Post subject: Mark III performance

Kolb doesn't publish a POH for any of their planes. This is very common with 

experimentals. Every plane is built differently so a POH would be 

meaningless. Sorry but that's the way it is.



VNE is published as 100MPH for this plane but that is about it. Cruise 

speeds range from 50-80 MPH for this plane but this is all dependant on 

engines and accuracy/installation of the airspeed indicator.



We weren't ignoring you we just don't have what you wanted. It is always 

best to tell us about yourself and your plane so that we can help you 

better. We are not in any way part of the Kolb factory.



Rick Neilsen

Redrive VW powered MKIIIC



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clrprop

Joined: 16 Sep 2008
Posts: 44
Location: SC

Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:19 am Post subject: Re: Mark III performance

Thanks for the response Rick.

I was looking for at least the performances originally published by Kolb for the MK-3. I understand the New Kolb may not want to give this info because of liability issues.

Someone has e-mailed this info to me directly.

This is my first plane and I'm just trying to comply with the regs for carrying an operating limitations in the plane.



I took the ELSA repairman course this past weekend given by Mike Huffman and your name came up Cristal! He had nice things to say about your achievements!



Keath Toney

MK-3C /582

Lex. SC

cristalclear13

Joined: 19 Sep 2007
Posts: 363
Location: Southeast Georgia

Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:50 am Post subject: Re: Mark III performance

 	  clrprop wrote: 	
		  I took the ELSA repairman course this past weekend given by Mike Huffman and your name came up Cristal! He had nice things to say about your achievements!



Keath Toney

MK-3C /582

Lex. SC 	




That's encouraging.  Thanks Keath.  My annual is coming up in November so now I have to check my class notes and materials and remember all that Mike taught me!  I look forward to putting into practice what I learned.

_________________
Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Sept 2007 - sold Sept 2012
Private Pilot Aug 2008
ELSA Repairman for N193Y April 2008
Rotax 2 stroke maintenance April 2009

aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:05 am Post subject: Mark III performance

Keath, Not to be the terminology nazi, I'm only bringing this up because you say this is your first plane.Operating limitations are not something you make up. Operation limitations are given to you by the FAA inspector or the DAR at the time the airworthiness certificate is given. If you don't have them, and your aircraft is registered you can call your local FSDO and ask how to get a copy.

 Since you mention wanting to be in compliance you should have those documents for which pilots use the acronym AROW (used to be ARROW, but there is no requirement for a radio license anymore hence the single "R") Airworthiness certificate, Registration, Operating limitations, Weight and Balance. The last, weight and balance, is the only one of the four documents which you author.

 



Rick

do not archive



On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 7:19 AM, clrprop <ktony(at)windstream.net (ktony(at)windstream.net)> wrote:

 [quote]--> Kolb-List message posted by: "clrprop" <ktony(at)windstream.net (ktony(at)windstream.net)>

  

 Thanks for the response Rick.

 I was looking for at least the performances originally published by Kolb for the MK-3. I understand the New Kolb may not want to give this info because of liability issues.

 Someone has e-mailed this info to me directly.

 This is my first plane and I'm just trying to comply with the regs for carrying an operating limitations in the plane.

 

 I took the ELSA repairman course this past weekend given by Mike Huffman and your name came up Cristal! He had nice things to say about your achievements!

 

 Keath Toney

 MK-3C /582

 Lex. SC

 

 

 

 

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aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:08 am Post subject: Mark III performance

Keath, Hit the send button a little early, sorry. The performance numbers you mentioned might be listed in your aircraft's logbook. If the original builder was thorough he put them in there as part of signing the log to show compliance with and completion of phase 1 testing. 



Rick



On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com (aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

[quote] Keath, Not to be the terminology nazi, I'm only bringing this up because you say this is your first plane.Operating limitations are not something you make up. Operation limitations are given to you by the FAA inspector or the DAR at the time the airworthiness certificate is given. If you don't have them, and your aircraft is registered you can call your local FSDO and ask how to get a copy.

  Since you mention wanting to be in compliance you should have those documents for which pilots use the acronym AROW (used to be ARROW, but there is no requirement for a radio license anymore hence the single "R") Airworthiness certificate, Registration, Operating limitations, Weight and Balance. The last, weight and balance, is the only one of the four documents which you author.

  



Rick

do not archive

On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 7:19 AM, clrprop <ktony(at)windstream.net (ktony(at)windstream.net)> wrote:

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		  --> Kolb-List message posted by: "clrprop" <ktony(at)windstream.net (ktony(at)windstream.net)>

   

 Thanks for the response Rick.

 I was looking for at least the performances originally published by Kolb for the MK-3. I understand the New Kolb may not want to give this info because of liability issues.

 Someone has e-mailed this info to me directly.

 This is my first plane and I'm just trying to comply with the regs for carrying an operating limitations in the plane.

 

 I took the ELSA repairman course this past weekend given by Mike Huffman and your name came up Cristal! He had nice things to say about your achievements!

 

 Keath Toney

 MK-3C /582

 Lex. SC

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

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clrprop

Joined: 16 Sep 2008
Posts: 44
Location: SC

Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:58 am Post subject: Re: Mark III performance

Thanks Rick,

I'll check with the FSDO.

According to the class I just took, The weight & balance is actually not required. I expect to get pounced on about this, just relating what I was told. I was also told that if it is asked for and not given, I can expect to be cited for operating recklessly and something else I can't recall at the moment.

aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:35 pm Post subject: Mark III performance

I put in a call to the Light Sport Branch to get FAR on this, but the only guy in the office was a flight test guy who didn't know right off. He did confirm that of the four items, only W & B is authored by the owner. I've just had it drilled into me that those four documents are the first thing to look for after opening the door. Perhaps it's not as strict on the experimental side of the aisle. Just curious, your Mk 3 is "N" numbered, isn't it?

Rick



On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:58 AM, clrprop <ktony(at)windstream.net (ktony(at)windstream.net)> wrote:

 [quote]--> Kolb-List message posted by: "clrprop" <ktony(at)windstream.net (ktony(at)windstream.net)>

  

 Thanks Rick,

 I'll check with the FSDO.

 According to the class I just took, The weight & balance is actually not required. I expect to get pounced on about this, just relating what I was told. I was also told that if it is asked for and not given, I can expect to be cited for operating recklessly and something else I can't recall at the moment.

  

 

 

 

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clrprop

Joined: 16 Sep 2008
Posts: 44
Location: SC

Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: Mark III performance

It's just a technicality. I think the second possible charge was failure to be in a condition for safe operation. Either way, if you don't have it, you're in deep doo-doo. 

My ignorance about the operating limitations shows my very limited knowledge about all of this but you've got to start somewhere right? That's why I'm here asking questions. 

My plane is N numbered but the circumstances surrounding how I got it are a bit unusual and I didn't get any kind of operating limitation sheet and only a very basic w&b entry in the log.

I ordered a copy of all records for it from the faa today.

aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 2:13 am Post subject: Mark III performance

No problem whatsoever. Let's start with the basics. Is your aircraft an Experimental Light Sport Aircraft (ELSA) or an Experimental Amateur Built Aircraft (EAB)? 

Do you have an experimental certificate for the airplane (pink piece of paper) and registration (known as the "hard card")? If you have an "N" number you should have the latter. If any of the other paper work is in doubt and If your aircraft is an ELSA, the hard card is the most important piece of paper to have and it must have been issued before 2-1-08. The reason for this is that the FAA granted an extension to the time limit for completing the registration process for an ELSA, provided the aircraft was registered before 2-1-08. If you have the registration all the other paperwork can be straightened out, if you don't there is still an option open to you, but it is extremely limiting to your flying. 



Rick



On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:32 PM, clrprop <ktony(at)windstream.net (ktony(at)windstream.net)> wrote:

[quote] --> Kolb-List message posted by: "clrprop" <ktony(at)windstream.net (ktony(at)windstream.net)>

 

 It's just a technicality. I think the second possible charge was failure to be in a condition for safe operation. Either way, if you don't have it, you're in deep doo-doo.

 My ignorance about the operating limitations shows my very limited knowledge about all of this but you've got to start somewhere right? That's why I'm here asking questions.

 My plane is N numbered but the circumstances surrounding how I got it are a bit unusual and I didn't get any kind of operating limitation sheet and a very basic w&b entry in the log.

 I ordered a copy of all records for it from the faa today.

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

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clrprop

Joined: 16 Sep 2008
Posts: 44
Location: SC

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:29 am Post subject: Re: Mark III performance

It's an ELSA. I've got the airworthiness card (pink) and am in the process of getting the registration transferred into my name. I just don't have operating limitations and need to do a new weight and balance.

John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:00 am Post subject: Mark III performance

> It's an ELSA. I've got the airworthiness card (pink) and am in the 

process of getting the registration transferred into my name. I just don't 

have operating limitations and need to do a new weight and balance.





Don't think there has ever been a operators handbood and operating 

limitations published by old or new Kolb.  I have never encountered any 

through 1991, when I built my third and last Kolb.  Don't recall seeing any 

publication that looked official with Kolb operating limitations.



john h

mkIII -   2,869.1 hours

912ULS - 300.6 hours

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John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler
Titus, Alabama

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