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Kitfoxers, Should I change out the reed valves and seals on my grey head while I'm rebuilding the plane. And can I do it with the engine in the plane?
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:28 pm Post subject: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue head |
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 582 uses a rotary valve. No reeds.
Deke Morisse
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:59 pm Post subject: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue head |
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Deke C Ooops C I haven't had it apart yet C but you are right. I miss spoke. All of the motorcycles I have owned had a reed valve. Entrenched concepts take time to change.
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Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford C IL
From: fox5flyer(at)idealwifi.net
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue head
Date: Mon C 29 Sep 2008 20:27:07 -0400
Correct me if I'm wrong C but the 582 uses a rotary valve. No reeds.
Deke Morisse
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:37 am Post subject: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue head |
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I spoke to a couple of the better ebuild shops and they both felt that an "upgrade" would be expensive and unnescessary. Both felt the original design was perfectly fine.
Dave G
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:39 am Post subject: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue head |
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Dave C Thanks for the info.
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From: occom(at)ns.sympatico.ca
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue head
Date: Tue C 30 Sep 2008 07:36:16 -0300
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:03 am Post subject: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue head |
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I hate to state the obvious but the only reed valves anywhere close to a 582 are in the impulse fuel pump.... the 582 has a rotary valve for intake. Talk to a repair depot about checking the seal on the RV shaft.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pat Reilly
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 8:19 PM
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Subject: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue head
Kitfoxers, Should I change out the reed valves and seals on my grey head while I'm rebuilding the plane. And can I do it with the engine in the plane?
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Mod 3 582 Rebuild
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:29 am Post subject: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue head |
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Noel C Yeah C Deke already corrected me. I knew they had rotary valves C but all the motorcycles i've owned had reed valves. Takes a long time to change concepts. Can that valve shaft seal be changed with engine in the plane?
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Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford C IL
From: noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca
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Subject: RE: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue head
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I hate to state the obvious but the only reed valves anywhere close to a 582 are in the impulse fuel pump.... the 582 has a rotary valve for intake. Talk to a repair depot about checking the seal on the RV shaft.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pat Reilly
Sent: Monday C September 29 C 2008 8:19 PM
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Subject: Kitfox-List: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue head
Kitfoxers C Should I change out the reed valves and seals on my grey head while I'm rebuilding the plane. And can I do it with the engine in the plane?
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Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford C IL
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:42 pm Post subject: Re: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue head |
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| patreilly43(at)hotmail.co wrote: | Noel C Yeah C Deke already corrected me. I knew they had rotary valves C but all the motorcycles i've owned had reed valves. Takes a long time to change concepts. Can that valve shaft seal be changed with engine in the plane?
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Yes you can change it in the plane. I have. After only 15 minutes of run time. Wanna ask me about bleeding the RV oil lol
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:51 pm Post subject: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue head |
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Leonard C I'll bite. What about bleeding the RV oil? I don't ant to change the seal after 15 min run time.
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Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford C IL
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Date: Tue C 30 Sep 2008 13:42:49 -0700
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patreilly43(at)hotmail.co wrote:
> Noel C Yeah C Deke already corrected me. I knew they had rotary valves C but all the motorcycles i've owned had reed valves. Takes a long time to change concepts. Can that valve shaft seal be changed with engine in the plane?
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Yes you can change it in the plane. I have. After only 15 minutes of run time. Wanna ask me about bleeding the RV oil lol
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Float Flyr
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:36 pm Post subject: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue head |
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I seem to remember being told that part of the block had to be turned down
to accept the new ceramic seal... I guess that would require removing the
engine... What a great question.
I have had outboards for almost 50 yr now. And I've only seen one broken
reed valve. (Not my engine) The whole idea of rotary valves is new to me
too which is why I should have checked for later posts before making
mine.... Sorry... I really like the idea though.
Noel
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:02 pm Post subject: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue head |
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I think Leonard was talking about replacing an RV seal not refitting for the newer ceramic seal... Oh yes... if the injection pump isn’t properly bled then the RV seal will get no oil and it will go that way.. Amazing it would actually last 15 min.
Noel
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Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:21 PM
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Subject: RE: Re: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue head
Leonard, I'll bite. What about bleeding the RV oil? I don't ant to change the seal after 15 min run time.
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Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
> Subject: Re: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue head
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> Yes you can change it in the plane. I have. After only 15 minutes of run time. Wanna ask me about bleeding the RV oil lol
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:40 am Post subject: Re: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue head |
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well it is worse than that... if you dont bleed the rv oil properly,it will eat the brass gear in about 15 minutes. The seal has some grease on it so it will last. It is easy to change, just make sure you get the right tool to pound out the rv shaft so you dont bugger up the threads on the water pump.
From what I have read in this thread you were just talking about replacing the stock seal and not upgrading to the ceramic seal correct?
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:40 pm Post subject: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue head |
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How do you bleed the RV oil properly? I don't see any reference to it in CPS manual/catalog.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford C IL
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From: akflyer_2000(at)yahoo.com
Date: Sun C 5 Oct 2008 08:40:25 -0700
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
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well it is worse than that... if you dont bleed the rv oil properly Cit will eat the brass gear in about 15 minutes. The seal has some grease on it so it will last. It is easy to change C just make sure you get the right tool to pound out the rv shaft so you dont bugger up the threads on the water pump.
>From what I have read in this thread you were just talking about replacing the stock seal and not upgrading to the ceramic seal correct?
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Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:40 pm Post subject: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue head |
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How do you bleed the RV oil properly? I don't see any reference to it in CPS manual/catalog.
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Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford C IL
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From: akflyer_2000(at)yahoo.com
Date: Sun C 5 Oct 2008 08:40:25 -0700
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
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well it is worse than that... if you dont bleed the rv oil properly Cit will eat the brass gear in about 15 minutes. The seal has some grease on it so it will last. It is easy to change C just make sure you get the right tool to pound out the rv shaft so you dont bugger up the threads on the water pump.
>From what I have read in this thread you were just talking about replacing the stock seal and not upgrading to the ceramic seal correct?
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Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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Look in Part 30 of the CPS Proper care and feeding. The second to the last paragraph in that section covers it. If you look at photo 9 C you see the small bleed screw C it is centered betweed the two nuts in the picture and directly accross from the fluid inlet on the oposite side of the engine. The 532 doesn't have this bleed screw. This is especially important on an inverted engine like the Avid uses to get the air out. I hooked a long hose onto the lower hose fitting and filled it with oil C then held it up higher than the other fitting so oil and air would go back up into the bottle. Keep doing it till no more air comes out. Jim Chuk Kitfox 4 building Mn
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Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford C IL
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From: akflyer_2000(at)yahoo.com
Date: Sun C 5 Oct 2008 08:40:25 -0700
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
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well it is worse than that... if you dont bleed the rv oil properly Cit will eat the brass gear in about 15 minutes. The seal has some grease on it so it will last. It is easy to change C just make sure you get the right tool to pound out the rv shaft so you dont bugger up the threads on the water pump.
>From what I have read in this thread you were just talking about replacing the stock seal and not upgrading to the ceramic seal correct?
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Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
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