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gregoryf.flyboy(at)comcas
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Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 9:50 pm Post subject: Cutting off back of cockpit module

To list,  



When I was marking the cockpit module for cutting a long time ago, it seemed

like the scribe lines at the sides of the module (near the back end) went up

in an angled, circular fashion as seen in the picture. I assume that most

people cut the scribe line parallel to the (already cut)opening. Did anyone

see it like I did, and cut the way I have it marked? An advantage of cutting

it that way would be that it would give more surface area for the glue to

hold the CP module to the fuselage, in that area. 

Regards,

Greg



The extra picture: be careful who comes in to the hangar (and lurks in wait)

to watch you build! It is hard to tell from the picture, but 'it' was a

pretty good size, or at least a runner up. Last years winner had black and

white colored hairs all around its legs and body. I had difficulty getting

pictures of him. He seemed to know that I was on to him. Both have met their

makers

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Ivor Phillips

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 253
Location: London UK

Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 3:32 am Post subject: Cutting off back of cockpit module

Hi Greg

I didn’t bother cutting it down at all, A good clean up and a dose of redux gives a substantial increase in body strength right beside the main Tri-Gear legs,

But then that is probably why my Europa is heavy!

regards

Ivor

---- Greg Fuchs  <gregoryf.flyboy(at)comcast.net> wrote: 

 	  Quote: 	
		   To list,  

 

 When I was marking the cockpit module for cutting a long time ago, it seemed

 like the scribe lines at the sides of the module (near the back end) went up

 in an angled, circular fashion as seen in the picture. I assume that most

 people cut the scribe line parallel to the (already cut)opening. Did anyone

 see it like I did, and cut the way I have it marked? An advantage of cutting

 it that way would be that it would give more surface area for the glue to

 hold the CP module to the fuselage, in that area. 

 Regards,

 Greg

 

 The extra picture: be careful who comes in to the hangar (and lurks in wait)

 to watch you build! It is hard to tell from the picture, but 'it' was a

 pretty good size, or at least a runner up. Last years winner had black and

 white colored hairs all around its legs and body. I had difficulty getting

 pictures of him. He seemed to know that I was on to him. Both have met their

 makers

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rlborger(at)mac.com
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Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 3:14 pm Post subject: Cutting off back of cockpit module

Greg,



I went back to my build site to refresh my memory on how I trimmed  

that part of the CM.



Year #2, Q4 2003, pics 6 & 7 show the CM ready to bond in place.  You  

can get a good idea how I trimmed my CM there.



You certainly can trim it as you indicate and provide additional  

bonding area and strength, but understand that it will be at a weight  

penalty.



Yes, there are lots of critters ready to take over your space and many  

are willing and able to fight you for it.  I need to work out some  

better way to seal the big door on my shop from the critters.  Also  

seal in some heat!



Check six,

Bob Borger

Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S

http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL

(99.999% done) Essentially complete.  Running Tests & Final Inspections.

3705 Lynchburg Dr.

Corinth, TX  76208

Home:  940-497-2123

Cel:  817-992-1117



On Jan 10, 2009, at 23:47, Greg Fuchs wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   To list,



 When I was marking the cockpit module for cutting a long time ago,  

 it seemed

 like the scribe lines at the sides of the module (near the back end)  

 went up

 in an angled, circular fashion as seen in the picture. I assume that  

 most

 people cut the scribe line parallel to the (already cut)opening. Did  

 anyone

 see it like I did, and cut the way I have it marked? An advantage of  

 cutting

 it that way would be that it would give more surface area for the  

 glue to

 hold the CP module to the fuselage, in that area.

 Regards,

 Greg



 The extra picture: be careful who comes in to the hangar (and lurks  

 in wait)

 to watch you build! It is hard to tell from the picture, but 'it'  

 was a

 pretty good size, or at least a runner up. Last years winner had  

 black and

 white colored hairs all around its legs and body. I had difficulty  

 getting

 pictures of him. He seemed to know that I was on to him. Both have  

 met their

 makers 

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gregoryf.flyboy(at)comcas
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Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:12 pm Post subject: Cutting off back of cockpit module

Thanks Ivor,



It is good to know that it won't get in the way of anything (or be too

thick). It leaves all of the options on the table.

I too, like the idea of strengthening that area a bit.

How heavy did your Europa come in at? 

What would you attribute most of the extra weight to?

~Greg




Hi Greg

I didn't bother cutting it down at all, A good clean up and a dose of redux

gives a substantial increase in body strength right beside the main Tri-Gear

legs,

But then that is probably why my Europa is heavy!

regards

Ivor

---- Greg Fuchs  <gregoryf.flyboy(at)comcast.net> wrote:

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gregoryf.flyboy(at)comcas
Guest

Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:16 pm Post subject: Cutting off back of cockpit module

Bob,



Thanks for the picture reference. It looks like you followed the text

religiously. I can swear that my (almost imperceptible) scribe line follows

the dotted line in my picture. Well, based on everyone's responses, it

appears that the sky is the limit on the cutting. Though any will work, I

think I will choose a hybrid. Not quite like the manual, and not quite no

cutting at all. A little increase in strength in this area couldn't hurt too

much, especially to support the future bed......and sink. 



Whoa! I saw (on your website)your picture of the black Widow hangar watch

spider! I would think that he wouldn't be the only one doing the

watching...that you would be watching him too! LOL.



Thanks for the input, and good luck on your 0.0001% .  OHH to be

there..(stop daydreaming Greg!!!)

Regards,

~Greg Fuchs








Greg,



I went back to my build site to refresh my memory on how I trimmed  

that part of the CM.



Year #2, Q4 2003, pics 6 & 7 show the CM ready to bond in place.  You  

can get a good idea how I trimmed my CM there.



You certainly can trim it as you indicate and provide additional  

bonding area and strength, but understand that it will be at a weight  

penalty.



Yes, there are lots of critters ready to take over your space and many  

are willing and able to fight you for it.  I need to work out some  

better way to seal the big door on my shop from the critters.  Also  

seal in some heat!



Check six,

Bob Borger

Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S

http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL

(99.999% done) Essentially complete.  Running Tests & Final Inspections.

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