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MarkWDavis

Joined: 03 Jan 2007
Posts: 104
Location: Syracuse, KS

Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 7:16 pm Post subject: Shell smoke oils

Does anyone have any experience with any of these  smoke oils mentioned on smokingairplanes.com?  May be time to stock up  again with the price of oil down again.

  

 Shell Carnea #10 

Shell  Carnea E-? (10 weight)  

Shell VITREA 13 

  

Mark Davis 

N44YK

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AV8ORJWC

Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 10:14 pm Post subject: Shell smoke oils

Yes, and a great way to obtain some is to contact your local airshow at the conclusion of activities.  They usually don't want to store it and make it available for a song.  

   

John Cox  

       

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Does anyone have any experience with any of these smoke oils mentioned on smokingairplanes.com?  May be time to stock up again with the price of oil down again.  

    

   

    

Shell Carnea #10   

Shell Carnea E-? (10 weight)   

Shell VITREA 13  

   

Mark Davis  

N44YK  

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MarkWDavis

Joined: 03 Jan 2007
Posts: 104
Location: Syracuse, KS

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:52 am Post subject: Shell smoke oils

John,

      Is there any of the three  Shell oils that works better than the others?

  

 Thanks,

 Mark Davis

 N44YK

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AV8ORJWC

Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:06 am Post subject: Shell smoke oils

My favorite was because the Blues often contractually demanded it.

Corvus.  We would have to secure supplies in 55 gal drums and at the end

of a city tour, we would have an odd lot supply of 7 to 30 gallons

surplus.  No one wanted to store a partial 55 gallon drum in a hangar

for six months.  Flows easy and burns without the brown tint of some

other refractions.  They liked the billowy, white result.



 



John



 



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Subject: Re: Shell smoke oils



 



John,



     Is there any of the three Shell oils that works better than the

others?



 



Thanks,



Mark Davis



N44YK



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barryhancock

Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:08 am Post subject: Shell smoke oils

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		   Time: 08:16:11 PM PST US

 From: "Mark Davis" <mark(at)pld.com>

 Subject: Shell smoke oils

 Does anyone have any experience with any of these smoke oils mentioned

 on smokingairplanes.com?  May be time to stock up again with the price

 of oil down again.

Mark,

John at Smoking Airplanes is testing a new smoke oil that is mineral oil

based.  The early results have been good, according to him.  He plans more

testing in cold weather to make sure he gets adequate flow under those

conditions and also wants to insure the injectors don't get fowled.  He

says it has good density and hang time due to the high parafin content. 

You can contact him directly at smokingairplanes.com

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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:16 am Post subject: Shell smoke oils

Corvus is the smoke standard. Plus it is mostly non-toxic where others aren’t necessarily. 

 

 bd

 

 

 On 10/20/08 7:06 AM, "John Cox" <[url=johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com]johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com[/url]> wrote:

 

 [quote]My favorite was because the Blues often contractually demanded it.  Corvus.  We would have to secure supplies in 55 gal drums and at the end of a city tour, we would have an odd lot supply of 7 to 30 gallons surplus.  No one wanted to store a partial 55 gallon drum in a hangar for six months.  Flows easy and burns without the brown tint of some other refractions.  They liked the billowy, white result.

  

 John

  

 

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 Subject: Re: Shell smoke oils

  

 

 John,

 

      Is there any of the three Shell oils that works better than the others?

 

  

 

 Thanks,

 

 Mark Davis

 

 N44YK

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MarkWDavis

Joined: 03 Jan 2007
Posts: 104
Location: Syracuse, KS

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:41 am Post subject: Shell smoke oils

My son's college roommate and his father  are Shell oil dealers.  He told my son Saturday that he can get  me a "deal" on oils.   I haven't seen any prices yet, but was curious  what experiences anyone had with the Shell products.

  

 Mark Davis

 N44YK

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drc(at)wscare.com
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:09 am Post subject: Shell smoke oils

Agree - Corvus



I have used a whole barrel of Vitrea 13 without problems in a smokongplanes system.

I just picked up a barrel for cheap after a local air show got rained out.

Herb



On Oct 19, 2008, at 10:15 PM, Mark Davis wrote:

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		  Does anyone have any experience with any of these smoke oils mentioned on smokingairplanes.com?  May be time to stock up again with the price of oil down again.

 

Shell Carnea #10Shell Carnea E-? (10 weight)

Shell VITREA 13



 Mark Davis

N44YK



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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:41 am Post subject: Shell smoke oils

In a message dated 10/20/2008 12:10:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  drc(at)wscare.com writes:

  

 I've used 10 weight turbine oil.  I was able to get it for free.   How?  At jet engine overhaul shops with test cells, after a test run, the  oil that was used in the engine is drained and never used again.   It is "filtered" in the normal course of things but the feds require it not  to be used again.  Companies normally pay someone to come and get rid of  it.

  

 Jim "Pappy" Goolsby

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		  Agree -    Corvus    



   I have used a whole barrel of Vitrea 13 without problems in a    smokongplanes system.

   I just picked up a barrel for cheap after a local air show got rained    out.

   



   Herb

   



   

      On Oct 19, 2008, at 10:15 PM, Mark Davis wrote:

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		            Does anyone have any experience with any of      these smoke oils mentioned on smokingairplanes.com?  May be time to      stock up again with the price of oil down again.

      

     Shell Carnea #10      Shell Carnea E-? (10      weight)

     Shell VITREA 13

     

 



	




	


 

  



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Dale

Joined: 30 May 2007
Posts: 178

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:41 am Post subject: Re: Shell smoke oils

The Conoco Industrial 70 is a clear as water 10 weight high paraffin oil that I think is the best I have used and the least  costly from the dealers around me.  Every time I smoke with it I get a lot of remarks about how much it hangs around.  I think I Mark I have mentioned it to you.  I have also used the concrete form oil that is around $10 a gallon and smells like berries when you pour it in with a slight rose cooler. It is easier to find at the supply houses than chasing down the Shell and Conoco dealers for me but I prefer the Industrial 70 because it's so clean burning.

Etienne

Joined: 29 Jan 2007
Posts: 8
Location: Belgium

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:27 pm Post subject: Shell smoke oils

We use Shell ONDINA 917, expensive but good.

See pictures. Click on the links below ... 

And as you can see on some of the pics, sometimes some smoke gets inside !! 

http://www.airshowactionphotography.com/san07/page1.html

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/129005.html

http://forums.matronics.com/download.php?id=8502

http://forums.matronics.com/download.php?id=8503

http://forums.matronics.com/download.php?id=8504

http://forums.matronics.com/download.php?id=8505

http://forums.matronics.com/download.php?id=8506

http://forums.matronics.com/download.php?id=8507

http://forums.matronics.com/download.php?id=8508

Etc ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk8bHKoSpBo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2e8f7_1ohQ 

Cheers,

http://www.aerobatics.org.uk/photos/profile.php?uid=84

Yak 52  G-CBSS.

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Sujet : Re: Shell smoke oils

Corvus is the smoke standard. Plus it is mostly non-toxic where others

aren¹t necessarily.

bd

On 10/20/08 7:06 AM, "John Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com> wrote:

[quote] My favorite was because the Blues often contractually demanded it.  Corvus.

 We would have to secure supplies in 55 gal drums and at the end of a city

 tour, we would have an odd lot supply of 7 to 30 gallons surplus.  No one

 wanted to store a partial 55 gallon drum in a hangar for six months.  Flows

 easy and burns without the brown tint of some other refractions.  They liked

 the billowy, white result.

 John

 From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com

 [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis

 Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 6:52 AM

 To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Shell smoke oils

 John,

      Is there any of the three Shell oils that works better than the others?

 Thanks,

 Mark Davis

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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:46 pm Post subject: Shell smoke oils

Has anyone tried used automatic transmission fluid? Is it good or bad? I  have a auto repair shop with lots of used fluid. 

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Etienne Verhellen

Joined: 13 Apr 2007
Posts: 141
Location: Belgium

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:53 pm Post subject: Shell smoke oils

OF COURSE, Jerome ... I forgot !!

Engine and smoke oil from Yakkes !!



http://www.yakkes.com/



Too much Vodka ... AVIATOR VODKA ! You bet !!

http://www.aviatorwodka.com/

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/129002L.html

http://www.aviacioncr.net/foto.php?id=17925



Cheers,



Etienne.



http://www.yakkes.com/about.crew.show.php?crewmember=etienne

http://www.flyforfun.be/?q=yaks

http://airpic.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2347



PS : Jerome if you have other nice photos you know we always love to see them



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AVIATOR SMOKE !!!!

 

http://www.yakkes.com/images/gallery/yakkes_01.jpg

 

http://yakkes.com/support.shop.php

 

Etienne, You've should have known better !

 

Ps. I've got some great blown up photo's here from you...

 

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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:37 pm Post subject: Shell smoke oils

I can get this stuff by the case Pappy... Usually because of a "use  by"

date that has expired.  Does it really work that well for smoke?  I

always thought it was synthetic and would not burn all that well.  



Mark

 



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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:11 pm Post subject: Shell smoke oils

Hey guys, what you burn you breath.  I tried tranny oil, but after puking up my guts and having a headache for two days, I surmised it just might not be a good thing to use even if it was free.  I made a decision that if I was going to kill brain cells, I'd do it the old fashioned way....with a good well aged dbl malt scotch.  

   

 Doug



 On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil (mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil)> wrote:

  [quote]--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil (mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil)>

 

I can get this stuff by the case Pappy... Usually because of a "use  by"

date that has expired.  Does it really work that well for smoke?  I

always thought it was synthetic and would not burn all that well.

 

Mark

 



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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:31 pm Post subject: Shell smoke oils

In a message dated 10/20/2008 5:47:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  valleyauto(at)clearwire.net writes:

  

 I tried it once.  No good.

  

 Jim "Pappy" Gooldby

 [quote]   Has anyone tried used automatic transmission fluid? Is it good or bad? I    have a auto repair shop with lots of used fluid. 

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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:42 pm Post subject: Shell smoke oils

In a message dated 10/20/2008 6:37:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil writes:

  

 It is not the best stuff in the world.  Smoke a little on thin side.  There will be some residue on the airplane after you use it.  Great to  practice with.  BUT it was cheap!  

  

 Pappy

  

  

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I can get this stuff by the case    Pappy... Usually because of a "use  by"

date that has expired.     Does it really work that well for smoke?  I

always thought it was    synthetic and would not burn all that well.     



Mark

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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:42 pm Post subject: Shell smoke oils

So you're telling me you get good smoke burning Double Malt Scotch even

if it does make you have a headache after puking your guts out? 



You da man.   



 

Mark

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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:17 pm Post subject: Shell smoke oils

MSDS sheets are available on all of these alternatives including Pappy's

Mobil One synthetic 10W that is recycled.  Know the handling and

toxicity of any product that you use.  If you need one, an MSDS sheet,

let me know.



 



 Etienne provided some great (Fabulous) smoke shots which many of you

can relate to the ingestion of the oil you are burning.  Then again

Pappy has probably plumbed that Chinese leather mask with an independent

supply of O2 or nitrous oxide blended gas.



 



Vegetable, Mineral or Synthetic they all get the job done with differing

toxicity to the pilot.



 



John Cox.



 



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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Budd Davisson

Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 7:15 AM

To: Yak List

Subject: Re: Shell smoke oils



 



Corvus is the smoke standard. Plus it is mostly non-toxic where others

aren't necessarily. 



bd

On 10/20/08 7:06 AM, "John Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com> wrote:



My favorite was because the Blues often contractually demanded it.

Corvus.  We would have to secure supplies in 55 gal drums and at the end

of a city tour, we would have an odd lot supply of 7 to 30 gallons

surplus.  No one wanted to store a partial 55 gallon drum in a hangar

for six months.  Flows easy and burns without the brown tint of some

other refractions.  They liked the billowy, white result.

 

John

 



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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis

Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 6:52 AM

To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Shell smoke oils

John,



    Is there any of the three Shell oils that works better than the

others?



Thanks,



Mark Davis



N44YK

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AV8ORJWC

Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject: Shell smoke oils

I rest my case.  

   

John Cox  

   

Other alternatives work as well.  

       

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 Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 9:08 AM

 To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Shell smoke oils  

  

  

   

Agree - Corvus    

   

    

I have used a whole barrel of Vitrea 13 without problems in a smokongplanes system.  

    

I just picked up a barrel for cheap after a local air show got rained out.  

    

   

    

Herb  

    

   

    

       

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Does anyone have any experience with any of these smoke oils mentioned on smokingairplanes.com?  May be time to stock up again with the price of oil down again.  

    

   

    

Shell Carnea #10    

Shell Carnea E-? (10 weight)  

    

Shell VITREA 13  

  

     

Mark Davis  

    

N44YK  

  

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