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Peter Bichier

Joined: 25 Aug 2008
Posts: 103
Location: Toledo, Ohio

Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:57 am Post subject: On a historical note and inquiry on the L-3805

Hi Guys & Girls,



I'm glad every one made it safely home, I must admit it was hard to hold my tears seen those birds rolling out of the ramp, specially "triple two" (it reminds me so much my father's straight 560 YV-515P), thanks Jim for showing off what they can do! (even though we had lost sight of you we could hear that baby roaring the skies!)



I see that my intuition a few weeks ago that this group was genuine and fun was darn on right! It's a small world, and as we say: "the best perfumes come in small bottles."



I learned a ton and my Commander knowledge has grown exponentially!



Continuing on that note, on my way back from our wonderful meeting, I was reading and catching up on all those great materials given to us. Thanks all, specially Jim, sue, Barry, the speakers, the attendees and all those doing the hard work behind this great group.



I was surprised to see that on the handout to employees -May 1951 at the end of the Chicago Tribune column they mentioned "... the right motor -a 260 hp Lycoming..." 



Did the prototype already had the O-435 in 1951? could it really get that much power without the geared engines? Or did she actually fly with the 190HP? (unlikely) how much hp could you get out of a O-435 in 1948?



According to our FGNews July'08 it's only in 1955 that the O-435-A were signed off as installed on June 3rd. You would thing the journalist would get it right since he was there!... may be he confused his notes and was just talking about future plans...



Anyway I am thrilled to have seen this great prototype and just trying to make sense of this remarkable feat and clarify the story.



On that note, Dennis Carter and Kenny Payton from Francis Tuttle Technology Center were really impressed by  the enthusiasm of the group, I had a "couple" of beers with them after the fund raiser and they were ecstatic; they shared their frustration and general lack of interest by others in trying to get the ball rolling on remodeling the Blue Goose. 



It seems that we are giving them a great encouragement; let's hope that the next time we see L-3805 she'll be in another shape! (personally though, I will agree with TR: I prefer the metallic color), but we can discuss that LATER!



what great four days!



thank you all again.



take care, and hopefully see you next year! in ... Portland?



p.

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moe-rosspistons(at)hotmai
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Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:46 am Post subject: On a historical note and inquiry on the L-3805

Hi Folks,



While at the Fly In, I spoke to Jack Chappal's daughter, however, I failed 

to get her contact information.  Could someone please help me?



Regards,



Moe Mills

N680RR

680Fp



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From: "Peter Bichier" <pbichie(at)UTNet.UToledo.Edu>

Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:57 AM

To: <commander-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: On a historical note and inquiry on the L-3805



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 <pbichie(at)UTNet.UToledo.Edu>



 Hi Guys & Girls,



 I'm glad every one made it safely home, I must admit it was hard to hold 

 my tears seen those birds rolling out of the ramp, specially "triple two" 

 (it reminds me so much my father's straight 560 YV-515P), thanks Jim for 

 showing off what they can do! (even though we had lost sight of you we 

 could hear that baby roaring the skies!)



 I see that my intuition a few weeks ago that this group was genuine and 

 fun was darn on right! It's a small world, and as we say: "the best 

 perfumes come in small bottles."



 I learned a ton and my Commander knowledge has grown exponentially!



 Continuing on that note, on my way back from our wonderful meeting, I was 

 reading and catching up on all those great materials given to us. Thanks 

 all, specially Jim, sue, Barry, the speakers, the attendees and all those 

 doing the hard work behind this great group.



 I was surprised to see that on the handout to employees -May 1951 at the 

 end of the Chicago Tribune column they mentioned "... the right motor -a 

 260 hp Lycoming..."



 Did the prototype already had the O-435 in 1951? could it really get that 

 much power without the geared engines? Or did she actually fly with the 

 190HP? (unlikely) how much hp could you get out of a O-435 in 1948?



 According to our FGNews July'08 it's only in 1955 that the O-435-A were 

 signed off as installed on June 3rd. You would thing the journalist would 

 get it right since he was there!... may be he confused his notes and was 

 just talking about future plans...



 Anyway I am thrilled to have seen this great prototype and just trying to 

 make sense of this remarkable feat and clarify the story.



 On that note, Dennis Carter and Kenny Payton from Francis Tuttle 

 Technology Center were really impressed by  the enthusiasm of the group, I 

 had a "couple" of beers with them after the fund raiser and they were 

 ecstatic; they shared their frustration and general lack of interest by 

 others in trying to get the ball rolling on remodeling the Blue Goose.



 It seems that we are giving them a great encouragement; let's hope that 

 the next time we see L-3805 she'll be in another shape! (personally 

 though, I will agree with TR: I prefer the metallic color), but we can 

 discuss that LATER!



 what great four days!



 thank you all again.



 take care, and hopefully see you next year! in ... Portland?



 p.



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Peter Bichier

Joined: 25 Aug 2008
Posts: 103
Location: Toledo, Ohio

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:52 am Post subject: On a historical note and inquiry on the L-3805

Now that Sir Barry is back I'll throw this question again:



I was surprised to see that on the handout to employees -May 1951 at the end of the Chicago Tribune column they mentioned "... the right motor -a 260 hp Lycoming..." 



Did the prototype already had the O-435 in 1951? could it really get that much power on a single engine without the geared engines? Or did she actually fly with the 190HP?



According to our FGNews July'08 it's only in 1955 that the O-435-A were signed off as installed on June 3rd. You would thing the journalist would get it right since he was there!... may be he confused his notes and was just talking about future plans...



Anyway I am thrilled to have seen this great prototype and just trying to make sense of this remarkable feat and clarify the story.

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barry.collman(at)air-brit
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:28 am Post subject: On a historical note and inquiry on the L-3805

Hi Peter,

  

 There is a problem in ascertaining the early  history of the L-3805 prototype, in that the FAA file has no Certificate of  Airworthiness papers until one dated September 9th 1955, by which time it had  accrued 938 hours of flying.

 This showed that the previous CofA was issued on  May 19th 1955 in the Experimental - R&D category.

  

 However, it is understood to have had Lycoming  GO-435-C2 engines installed "early in 1951".

 Indeed, there is photographic evidence of what  appears to be a suitably-modified nacelle to house the reduction gearing that is  known to have been taken at Wright-Patterson AFB.

 The L-3805 is known to have been there sometime  prior to May 1951.

  

 A Form 337 dated June 3rd 1955 detailed some  changes to the L-3805, including installation of Lycoming O-435-A engines with  Hartzell HC-12X20-9C/8433-6 propellers.

 Whether the GO-435 engines were removed at that  time isn't known, due to the afore-mentioned lack of paperwork.

  

 Best Regards,

 Barry

  

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