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n277dl
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 Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:27 am Post subject: Flying with AFS EFIS - mid west.... |
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I seem to be stalled on the building process. Mounted the engine about 3-4 weeks ago and just haven't made much progress since then.
I believe I'm stalled out on the build as the next major step is getting the panel decision made. I can't seem to get off the fence between AFS and GRT.
I've contacted Bob Condrey and I'm trying to hook up with him this weekend to fly with him in his 10 using the GRT panel.
Anyone in the mid-west flying with the AFS panel that would be interested in showing off their panel sometime in the next few weeks? I'm located in SE Iowa and have a 7A so I'm fairly mobile. (It's amazing how much ground you can cover in a couple hours in these marvelous traveling machines)
If you're interested you can email me a doug at oncloud7 dot com and we'll see if we can hook up.
Thanks in advance,
Doug
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AV8ORJWC
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Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:04 am Post subject: Flying with AFS EFIS - mid west.... |
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Doug,
The best advice I have heard in 35 years is don't make a decision you
might change later on a BIG ticket item. Know your Mission! Take the
time to "Fly behind" each of the products you are considering. Get the
Good, the Bad, the Ugly and the tackle the likelihood of future
enhancements squarely in your sites before taking the ultimate plunge.
If you ask builders who are now FLYING, "What is the biggest decision
you have made that you might have considered changing... What is it?" I
will wager a case of beer at OSH '09 its drinking the Kool aid on the
heart of your panel without fully embracing all the factors. Then the
dialog comes across, "If I had known now that they would be, they would
offer, they couldn't do".
Builders today have a great range of aircraft that owners will proudly
demonstrate - In Flight. Garmin G900, Chelton, Grand Rapids, Advanced
Flight, OP, many others, Aspen and of course the "Lost in the 50's"
steam gauge crowd. Don't forget enhancements like Marc's VP or now the
G696.
Choose Wisely and then "Be true to your school". The panel you love
today is going to be the panel you sell with the airframe tomorrow.
Yes, there still are a lot of RV-10s being listed for sale in the first
100 hours of ownership, after completion.
John
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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:09 am Post subject: Flying with AFS EFIS - mid west.... |
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n277dl wrote:
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I seem to be stalled on the building process. Mounted the engine about 3-4 weeks ago and just haven't made much progress since then.
I believe I'm stalled out on the build as the next major step is getting the panel decision made. I can't seem to get off the fence between AFS and GRT.
I went with the Odyssey from http://www.mglavionics.com/. Not flown
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behind it yet, but it's powered up on the bench already!! Sorry to give
you another option to weigh.
Linn cabin top purgatory
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I've contacted Bob Condrey and I'm trying to hook up with him this weekend to fly with him in his 10 using the GRT panel.
Anyone in the mid-west flying with the AFS panel that would be interested in showing off their panel sometime in the next few weeks? I'm located in SE Iowa and have a 7A so I'm fairly mobile. (It's amazing how much ground you can cover in a couple hours in these marvelous traveling machines)
If you're interested you can email me a doug at oncloud7 dot com and we'll see if we can hook up.
Thanks in advance,
Doug
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jim(at)CombsFive.Com
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:49 pm Post subject: Flying with AFS EFIS - mid west.... |
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Doug, Some additional comments. The task of installing the wiring harness and various other pieces that come along with the EFIS will further cement you decision. Don't allow yourself to believe you will trade up in the future. That is a huge undertaking regardless of which system you choose. My opinion here, but I think all of the offerings are pretty sweet. We have come a LONG way in the last 10 years. I think the next 10 will be even more interesting.Jim Combs (N312F - 40192)> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>> > Doug,> The best advice I have heard in 35 years is don't make a decision you> might change later on a BIG ticket item. Know your Mission! Take the> time to "Fly behind" each of the products you are considering. Get the> Good, the Bad, the Ugly and the tackle the likelihood of future> enhancements squarely in your sites before taking the ultimate plunge.> > If you ask builders who are now FLYING, "What is the biggest decision> you have made that you might have considered changing... What is it?" I> will wager a case of beer at OSH '09 its drinking the Kool aid on the> heart of your panel without fully embracing all the factors. Then the> dialog comes across, "If I had known now that they would be, they would> offer, they couldn't do".> > Builders today have a great range of aircraft that owners will proudly> demonstrate - In Flight. Garmin G900, Chelton, Grand Rapids, Advanced> Flight, OP, many others, Aspen and of course the "Lost in the 50's"> steam gauge crowd. Don't forget enhancements like Marc's VP or now the> G696.> > Choose Wisely and then "Be true to your school". The panel you love> today is going to be the panel you sell with the airframe tomorrow.> Yes, there still are a lot of RV-10s being listed for sale in the first> 100 hours of ownership, after completion.> > John> Do not Archive> > --
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recapen(at)earthlink.net
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:06 pm Post subject: Flying with AFS EFIS - mid west.... |
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Jim has a good point - I had a VMS1000 (one of the first) - till it started fritzing and VMS was taken over by JPI...it was still very difficult to make the decision to $h!t-can the VMS and put in an AFS 3400 EM - even knowing that a lot of the wiring would be reusable - until I read that support was orphaned.....I don't think I would have done it as quickly otherwise.
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bcondrey
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:54 pm Post subject: Re: Flying with AFS EFIS - mid west.... |
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Doug,
There are several of the EFIS systems in -10s in this area. Pat Brandt has AFS in his -10 (Dennison, IA), Larry Geiger has Chelton (Lincoln, NE) Dean Sombke has Dynon (Aurora, NE) and as mentioned I've got GRT in mine. You can probably find them in a -7 closer but I've got contact for all of the above. With a little planing I suspect it wouldn't be too difficult to get them all together in a single location you can see them all side by side! Actually, I think we were all at the BNW fly-in this year along with Tim Olson (Chelton).
Bob
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RobHickman(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:19 pm Post subject: Flying with AFS EFIS - mid west.... |
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If you fly out to Oregon you can always fly in my RV-10 with three screens, weather, traffic, SL30, and a 430W.
We should have the latest software with Flight Director, Autopilot interface, and weather released in the next couple of weeks. We just sent out the latest beta version and we should be very close if not finished with it.
We are also making good progress on our new synthetic vision "ADVANCED SV"upgrade and it should be ready for Sun-n-Fun.
Rob Hickman
Advanced Flight Systems
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n277dl
Joined: 28 May 2007
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Location: Muscatine IA
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:42 pm Post subject: Re: Flying with AFS EFIS - mid west.... |
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Folks....
Thanks to all who've replied both here and via email. The great thing about this "problem" is that compared to 2003-2004 when I was finishing up the 7A.... about the only thing affordable then was the D10 from Dynon.... the functionality of these units today is just amazing.
It looks like, at a minimum I'll get the chance to fly with Bob C. behind the GRT this weekend and maybe even get a chance to do the same with Pat and the AFS as well. (First flight in the 10 as well)
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John.. isn't that the interesting quandary of life. We all make decisions based upon what information we have at our disposal today knowing full well that if you delay the decision for a day, a week, a month, a year, etc... you'll have more complete information than you do today and with a little God given intelligence make a better decision. But you do reach a point where you can't delay any more and you have to place your bets.
In this economy, who's going to survive to support their units 5 years from now? (who would have bet against Lehman Bros a year ago or even 6 months ago?) Functionality wise, it's a pretty good bet that AFS and GRT are going to keep progressing with their respective units as long as they can maintain the cash flow to continue to invest in development.
My mission is clear. IFR XC. Fly the 7A today that way with the D10, 430, digitrak & altrak a/p and round gauges as backup to the D10.
Rob, thanks for the offer. Wish I was where I could fly with ya.... my plan includes the 430, sl30, 330 and digiflight vsgv which sounds like what you're basically flying with.
This decision too shall be made 
Doug
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jcumins(at)jcis.net
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 4:09 pm Post subject: Flying with AFS EFIS - mid west.... |
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Rob
I just might take you up on that next spring. Looks like mother winter has arrived. Will be in Eugene over Thanksgiving but it will be a bit busy to visit. Any chance you might be coming down to Northern ca for aopa convention
If so I would like to buy you a Starbucks.
I am very interested in AFS and am very much leaning that way for my 10 but I have years to go I just started.
John G. Cumins
President
JC'S Interactive Systems
2499 B1 Martin Rd
Fairfield Ca 94533
707-425-7100
707-425-7576 Fax
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Subject: Re: Flying with AFS EFIS - mid west....
If you fly out to Oregon you can always fly in my RV-10 with three screens, weather, traffic, SL30, and a 430W.
We should have the latest software with Flight Director, Autopilot interface, and weather released in the next couple of weeks. We just sent out the latest beta version and we should be very close if not finished with it.
We are also making good progress on our new synthetic vision "ADVANCED SV"upgrade and it should be ready for Sun-n-Fun.
Rob Hickman
Advanced Flight Systems
Plan your next getaway witx1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001">Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals!
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