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AKMac

Joined: 01 Nov 2008
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Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:01 pm Post subject: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions

Hi guys. I'm looking into buying a Yak-52 sometime in the next year. From my research these aircraft seem like capable aerobatic machines, and are relatively easy and inexpensive to maintain. I think they will fit my desires perfectly.



This will be my first aircraft purchase and I'm trying to get an idea of exactly how much these birds cost to fly. My estimates are about $110 an hour wet (at 4.90 a gallon) Does this seem correct or am I way off here?



Secondly I'm a long legged guy at 6'3" and 250lbs. Now I've flown C152's and Super Cubs, and I can tolerate them. But I would really like an airplane that is at least somewhat comfortable for me. I understand that at my size this is a tall order (pun intended!) but how comfortable are these airplanes for you guys?



Anyways I think I have everything else figured out. If there is anything odd that is specific to the Yak please bring it to my attention. Thanks.

kurt(at)scitechsys.com
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Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 10:04 pm Post subject: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions

At 6'3" and 280 - I'm not all that comfortable in a 52 (sat in, never

flown one). Very comfortable in the CJ-6.



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 Hi guys. I'm looking into buying a Yak-52 sometime in the next year. From my research these aircraft seem like capable aerobatic machines, and are relatively easy and inexpensive to maintain. I think they will fit my desires perfectly.



 This will be my first aircraft purchase and I'm trying to get an idea of exactly how much these birds cost to fly. My estimates are about $110 an hour wet (at 4.90 a gallon) Does this seem correct or am I way off here?



 Secondly I'm a long legged guy at 6'3" and 250lbs. Now I've flown C152's and Super Cubs, and I can tolerate them. But I would really like an airplane that is at least somewhat comfortable for me. I understand that at my size this is a tall order (pun intended!) but how comfortable are these airplanes for you guys?



 Anyways I think I have everything else figured out. If there is anything odd that is specific to the Yak please bring it to my attention. Thanks.





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 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 11719#211719

cjpilot710(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 4:13 am Post subject: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions

In a message dated 11/2/2008 12:02:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  macjohnson(at)gmail.com writes:

  

  The M-14p in the Yak burns about 15 gal per hour and uses about 1 quart of  oil every 2 hours.

 The HS-6A in the CJ burns about 13 gal per hour and uses about 1 quart of  oil every 2 hours.

 Put a M-14P in a CJ and cruise with the Yaks and you'll burn 12 gals per  hour. (A little dig there guys)  

  



 I suggest you find a Yak and a CJ to fly for an hour or  two.    Spend a couple hundred dollars paying for the gas or  whatever, to get a good idea what these airplanes are like.  Look seriously  at the type flying you'll do.  This is a big investment for  anyone. I know guys who've brought either Yak or CJ and than  switched.

  

 Good luck with your choice.

  

 Jim "Pappy" Goolsby

  

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Hi    guys. I'm looking into buying a Yak-52 sometime in the next year. From my    research these aircraft seem like capable aerobatic machines, and are    relatively easy and inexpensive to maintain. I think they will fit my desires    perfectly.



This will be my first aircraft purchase and I'm trying to    get an idea of exactly how much these birds cost to fly. My estimates are    about $110 an hour wet (at 4.90 a gallon) Does this seem correct or am I way    off here?



Secondly I'm a long legged guy at 6'3" and 250lbs. Now I've    flown C152's and Super Cubs, and I can tolerate them. But I would really like    an airplane that is at least somewhat comfortable for me. I understand that at    my size this is a tall order (pun intended!) but how comfortable are these    airplanes for you guys?



Anyways I think I have everything else figured    out. If there is anything odd that is specific to the Yak please bring it to    my attention. Thanks.





Read this topic online    here:



http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=211719#211719

	


 

  



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Dale

Joined: 30 May 2007
Posts: 178

Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:36 am Post subject: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions

I'm 6'4" and 250lbs and fly a 52 with the rudder mod and I sit on a 1" cushion on top of a Strong chute.  I have no problems and I have sat in a CJ also but found the gear handle was in my way of my knee.  I am ready to get out after a hour or so anyway. I have a 52TW also that gives even more room 2" up and 2" back in the seat.  It so depends on how your built and where your height come from. After sitting in the 52 and the CJ I went with the Yak because I liked the extra power and lower cost when I was first getting into it with the 52. The TW later wiped out the cost factor but I like it much better.

dsavarese0812(at)bellsout
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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:40 am Post subject: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions

You should chat with Sasquatch, petervs(at)knology.net (petervs(at)knology.net), who is taller than  6'3" and probably close to your weight and flies a Yak 52 and does acro in it as  well.  Peter (call sign Sasquatch) is the biggest guy I know that flies a  52.

 Dennis

  

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AKMac

Joined: 01 Nov 2008
Posts: 2

Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:12 pm Post subject: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions

Thanks for the reply's guys. I've got a few emails from you helping me out. One of which mentioned that the Yak can bite you during aerobatic maneuvers. Can someone explain the bad handling qualities that the Yak has?



I see that the CJ is also a popular airplane. I'm really just looking for a weekend warrior intermediate aerobatic machine, not a cross country people hauler. Plus the Yak is about 25k cheaper which puts it into my airplane budget.



Any buyers guides, or things to look for would be quite helpful if you have any advice. Thanks.

jan.mevis(at)informavia.b
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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 11:12 pm Post subject: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions

The Yak can indeed bite hard during aerobatics. The first times I flew my

Yak 50, it was scaring, to be honest. I once lost conscience completely

pulling a LOT of G's at a high speed, but was lucky to be high up in the

sky. Now I've learned to control it better. And I definitely pay attention

not pulling too much G-s. Not only for my own sake, but also for the

aircraft. So I never do more than +6 and -4.



I'd go only for gentile, sportsman aerobatics in a Yak 50, not even at 82%

settings. For flying aerobatics at a higher level, I prefer the Pitts or the

Extra. Although a friend of mine flies the Yak 52 in Intermediate

competition, and occasionaly even wins it.



Jan

YK50 RA2005K

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jan.mevis(at)informavia.b
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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 11:39 pm Post subject: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions

Of course, I ment "consciousness" instead of "conscience". Loosing the

second one, would be nasty ...

My native tongue isn't English ...



Jan

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dsavarese0812(at)bellsout
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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:09 am Post subject: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions

Who said. "the Yak can bite you during aerobatic  maneuvers"?  A CJ owner?  Common guys....don't scare the guy  off.  The airplane was a trainer!  Read again....trainer.    Primary and aerobatic up through intermediate levels of aerobatics.  It was  not designed to kill people.  People were trained in this airplane that  never touched or felt and airplane before in their lives.  To say the Yak  can bite you during aerobatic maneuvers is clearly over stated.  ANY  airplane can bite you if not flown correctly, particularly during  aerobatics.  Proper training is the key.

  

 Contact me off-list if you want to discuss the  benefits of either of these two fine airplanes.

 Dennis

  

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dsavarese0812(at)bellsout
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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:16 am Post subject: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions

So why is it a problem with the airplanes flight  characteristics when you pull more G's than your body can handle and lose  consciousness?

 Dennis

  

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Etienne Verhellen

Joined: 13 Apr 2007
Posts: 141
Location: Belgium

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:39 am Post subject: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions

I agree with Jan.



The Yak 52 cannot be that bad for Aerobatics because the FAI is organising the

2nd Yak 52 World Aerobatic Championship in 2009 :



http://events.fai.org/aerobatics/details.asp?id=4928



The 1st FAI Yak 52 World Aerobatic Championship (Yak WAC 2008) took place in

Novosibirsk, Russia last August :



http://www.wayakc2008.ru/



Regarding "biting during Aerobatics" ... 

ANY (aerobatic) aircraft can do that !



Get training from the Russians if you can (!!)  ... 

or from an Flight Instructor who has good experience on the 52.



Cheers,



Etienne.



http://www.pilotmarket.com/exams/Freelance_Flight_Instructors/listing-2904-11202.html

PS : Glad you recovered your "conscience" Jan ...   )

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Of course, I ment "consciousness" instead of "conscience". Loosing the

second one, would be nasty ...

My native tongue isn't English ...



Jan

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richard.goode(at)russiana
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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:56 am Post subject: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions

With great respect to Dennis,a 52 can "bite"  and indeed bite hard if mis-handled,particulrly in terms of recovery from a  well-developed spin.

 Of course,with the correct training,this  should not ever be a problem.

 However there are not vast numbers of  instructors with the correct experience to instruct this spin-recovery,and,more  relevant,relatively small numbers of owners/pilots of these planes bother to  have this typpe of instruction.

 If I had doubts about the 52,I would not  sell them as enthusiasticly as I do,but I an very conscious of the need for  PROPER training with qualified instructors before aerobatics in the 52.Also,it  is sensitive to rearward C of G,and DOSAAF 52's were not allowed more thn 90  kgs,including parachute in either cockpit[that's about 198 lbs.]

 Richard

  

 Richard Goode Aerobatics

Rhodds Farm

Lyonshall

Hereford

HR5  3LW

United Kingdom

  

 Tel:   +44 (0) 1544 340120

Fax:  +44 (0) 1544  340129

www.russianaeros.com



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Etienne Verhellen

Joined: 13 Apr 2007
Posts: 141
Location: Belgium

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:05 am Post subject: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions

I meant : I agree with Dennis, Jan.



If you loose consciousness, Jan, YOU have pulled to hard.



NOT the aircraft's fault !



An like Dennis says : (conversion) training is indeed the key.



Cheers.

http://www.buysellaviation.com/index.php?page=out&id=477

dsavarese0812(at)bellsout
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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:19 am Post subject: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions

With the same respect to you as well Richard,  proper training is the key as you and I have both clearly stated.  However,  for someone to simply say the aircraft can bite you during aerobatics, without  any sort of clarification, is unjustified and can be interpreted  incorrectly.   You have clarified the issue for the unknowing and  uninformed and I thank you for that.

 Dennis

  

  

  

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bwade154(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:31 am Post subject: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions

Hi AKMac flying acro in the Yak 52, the one thing that I found would have definitely killed the airplane (without proper training) "the flat spin". Had I entered one prior to training the airplane would be in pieces, always practice acro HI HI HI and look at the NTSB reports regularly. Regular spins upright and inverted are non events but let it go flat and not knowing the proper procedure and control inputs the airplane will not come out. Got my training with Nikolay Timofeev. The Yak 52 has taught me a lot about flying.

 Bill Wade

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--> Yak-List message posted by: "AKMac" <macjohnson(at)gmail.com (macjohnson(at)gmail.com)>



Thanks for the reply's guys. I've got a few emails from you helping me out. One of which mentioned that the Yak can bite you during aerobatic maneuvers. Can someone explain the bad handling qualities that the Yak has?



I see that the CJ is also a popular airplane. I'm really just looking for a weekend warrior intermediate aerobatic machine, not a cross country people hauler. Plus the Yak is about 25k cheaper which puts it         [quote][b]

Etienne Verhellen

Joined: 13 Apr 2007
Posts: 141
Location: Belgium

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:33 am Post subject: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions

NOW, I agree with Dennis AND Richard.



It boils down to TRAINING.



I teach Unusual attitudes & Spin Recovery (after teaching Spin entry sometimes !) -

"normal" plain vanilla spins, competition spins, accelerated,  FLAT - upright & inverted.



http://www.forseilles.net/gallery/sanicole/B2V0752  

http://www.yak52.fr/topic11/Yak52FLATSPIN.jpg



And for that I have to sit in the back seat sometimes !

With a good parachute and never below 3000ft AGL.



And indeed the 52 is a FANTASTIC (training) aircraft !

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Etienne Verhellen

Joined: 13 Apr 2007
Posts: 141
Location: Belgium

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:37 am Post subject: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions

Go ahead Mac !



FLY one !



Get one !



The Yak 52 will give you a lot of FUN 

and you will find a lot of help on this list.

jan.mevis(at)informavia.b
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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:41 am Post subject: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions

It’s the pilot of course, always.   

I thought that that was clear.  

   

Jan      

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So why is it a problem with the airplanes flight characteristics when you pull more G's than your body can handle and lose consciousness?  

    

Dennis  

    

   

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 Of course, I ment "consciousness" instead of "conscience". Loosing the

 second one, would be nasty ...

 My native tongue isn't English ...

 

 Jan

 

 

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jan.mevis(at)informavia.b
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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:53 am Post subject: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions

Of course, it is always the pilot. I only know something about the Yak 50,

that is what I commented. The first time I flew aerobatics with the 50, I

flew it just the way I used flying the Pitts. At 82%. And its scared me.

That is the truth. 

Jan



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dsavarese0812(at)bellsout
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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:57 am Post subject: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions

Yep.  You're right on the money  Jan.

 Dennis

  

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