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rsrandazzo(at)precisionma
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:22 am Post subject: Fuel Vent heat Test?

Commanders-  

   

Does anyone have a fool-proof method for testing the fuel vent heaters?  

   

On a whim I decided to test them by turning on the battery, connecting the buses and activating the L/R Pitot and Fuel Vent heaters.  

   

Pitots heated up enough that you could fry an egg- but the fuel probes did not warm even slightly.  

   

This made me wonder if the fuel vent heaters are load-shed without a generator on-line?   (Yes yes- sometimes I have trouble keeping the big airplane stuff and the Commander stuff segregated in my brain….you should have seen me flaring at an eyeball height of 70’.. HAHAHAH…. Oh boy….fortunately it turned out okay for everyone except my ego…)  

   

We’re getting into the ugly part of the icing season out here- and I’m going to be making a bunch of trips over the mountains during the winter- so I want to make sure my ice survival equipment is in top working condition.  

   

Robert S. Randazzo  

N414C  

   

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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:52 am Post subject: Fuel Vent heat Test?

Robert,

  

 The fuel vent heaters and the lift detector (stall  warning switch) have temperature control on them so that they will not feel hot  to the touch. The fuel vent heaters (at least on my bird) do not feel hot  on a cold day, however they are warmer than the surrounding under wing  skin.  If you get a definitive answer about testing please share.   Quite some time ago I made a similar post and did not get a complete reply from  anyone.

  

 Moe

 N680RR

 Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award

  



  From: Robert S. Randazzo (rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com) 

 Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 2:20 AM

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 Subject: Fuel Vent heat Test?

 



  

Commanders- 

  

Does anyone have a fool-proof method for testing the fuel  vent heaters? 

  

On a whim I decided to test them by turning on the battery,  connecting the buses and activating the L/R Pitot and Fuel Vent  heaters. 

  

Pitots heated up enough that you could fry an egg- but the  fuel probes did not warm even slightly. 

  

This made me wonder if the fuel vent heaters are load-shed  without a generator on-line?   (Yes yes- sometimes I have trouble  keeping the big airplane stuff and the Commander stuff segregated in my  brain….you should have seen me flaring at an eyeball height of 70’.. HAHAHAH….  Oh boy….fortunately it turned out okay for everyone except my  ego…) 

  

We’re getting into the ugly part of the icing season out  here- and I’m going to be making a bunch of trips over the mountains during the  winter- so I want to make sure my ice survival equipment is in top working  condition. 

  

Robert S. Randazzo 

N414C 

 

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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:06 am Post subject: Fuel Vent heat Test?

Fill a cup with ice water and submerge the vents wait a few minutes and then turn them on. Or remove the vent heaters and put them in the freezer C using an ohmeter see if there is continuity through the thermostats.



From: moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.comTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: Fuel Vent heat Test?Date: Mon C 17 Nov 2008 06:51:26 -0800

Robert C

 

The fuel vent heaters and the lift detector (stall warning switch) have temperature control on them so that they will not feel hot to the touch. The fuel vent heaters (at least on my bird) do not feel hot on a cold day C however they are warmer than the surrounding under wing skin.  If you get a definitive answer about testing please share.  Quite some time ago I made a similar post and did not get a complete reply from anyone.

 

Moe

N680RR

Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award



From: Robert S. Randazzo 

Sent: Monday C November 17 C 2008 2:20 AM

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com 

Subject: Fuel Vent heat Test?

Commanders-

 

Does anyone have a fool-proof method for testing the fuel vent heaters?

 

On a whim I decided to test them by turning on the battery C connecting the buses and activating the L/R Pitot and Fuel Vent heaters.

 

Pitots heated up enough that you could fry an egg- but the fuel probes did not warm even slightly.

 

This made me wonder if the fuel vent heaters are load-shed without a generator on-line?   (Yes yes- sometimes I have trouble keeping the big airplane stuff and the Commander stuff segregated in my brain….you should have seen me flaring at an eyeball height of 70’.. HAHAHAH…. Oh boy….fortunately it turned out okay for everyone except my ego…)

 

We’re getting into the ugly part of the icing season out here- and I’m going to be making a bunch of trips over the mountains during the winter- so I want to make sure my ice survival equipment is in top working condition

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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:16 am Post subject: Fuel Vent heat Test?

Mike,

  

 Do you think that it would be OK just to spray  them with a c02 fire extinguisher?

  

 Moe

  



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 Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 7:06 AM

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 Subject: RE: Fuel Vent heat Test?

 



Fill a cup with ice water and submerge the vents wait a few  minutes and then turn them on. Or remove the vent heaters and put them in the  freezer, using an ohmeter see if there is continuity through the  thermostats.



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 The fuel vent heaters and the lift detector (stall  warning switch) have temperature control on them so that they will not feel hot  to the touch. The fuel vent heaters (at least on my bird) do not feel hot  on a cold day, however they are warmer than the surrounding under wing  skin.  If you get a definitive answer about testing please share.   Quite some time ago I made a similar post and did not get a complete reply from  anyone.

  

 Moe

 N680RR

 Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award

  



  From: Robert S. Randazzo (rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com) 

 Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 2:20 AM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)  

 Subject: Fuel Vent heat Test?

 



  

Commanders- 

Does anyone have a fool-proof method for testing the fuel  vent heaters? 

  

On a whim I decided to test them by turning on the  battery, connecting the buses and activating the L/R Pitot and Fuel Vent  heaters. 

  

Pitots heated up enough that you could fry an egg- but the  fuel probes did not warm even slightly. 

  

This made me wonder if the fuel vent heaters are load-shed  without a generator on-line?   (Yes yes- sometimes I have trouble  keeping the big airplane stuff and the Commander stuff segregated in my  brain….you should have seen me flaring at an eyeball height of 70’.. HAHAHAH….  Oh boy….fortunately it turned out okay for everyone except my ego…) 

  

We’re getting into the ugly part of the icing season out  here- and I’m going to be making a bunch of trips over the mountains during the  winter- so I want to make sure my ice survival equipment is in top working  condition. 

  

Robert S. Randazzo 

N414C 

 

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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:43 am Post subject: Fuel Vent heat Test?

Never tried that let me know. Probably.



From: moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.comTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: Fuel Vent heat Test?Date: Mon C 17 Nov 2008 07:14:13 -0800

Mike C

 

Do you think that it would be OK just to spray them with a c02 fire extinguisher?

 

Moe



From: mike floyd 

Sent: Monday C November 17 C 2008 7:06 AM

To: Matronics Thread 

Subject: RE: Fuel Vent heat Test?

Fill a cup with ice water and submerge the vents wait a few minutes and then turn them on. Or remove the vent heaters and put them in the freezer C using an ohmeter see if there is continuity through the thermostats.



From: moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.comTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: Fuel Vent heat Test?Date: Mon C 17 Nov 2008 06:51:26 -0800

Robert C

 

The fuel vent heaters and the lift detector (stall warning switch) have temperature control on them so that they will not feel hot to the touch. The fuel vent heaters (at least on my bird) do not feel hot on a cold day C however they are warmer than the surrounding under wing skin.  If you get a definitive answer about testing please share.  Quite some time ago I made a similar post and did not get a complete reply from anyone.

 

Moe

N680RR

Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award



From: Robert S. Randazzo 

Sent: Monday C November 17 C 2008 2:20 AM

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com 

Subject: Fuel Vent heat Test?

Commanders-

Does anyone have a fool-proof method for testing the fuel vent heaters?

 

On a whim I decided to test them by turning on the battery C connecting the buses and activating the L/R Pitot and Fuel Vent heaters.

 

Pitots heated up enough that you could fry an egg- but the fuel probes did not warm even slightly.

 

This made me wonder if the fuel vent heaters are load-shed without a generator on-line?   (Yes yes- sometimes I have trouble keeping the big airplane stuff and the Commander stuff segregated in my brain….you should have seen me flaring at an eyeball height of 70’.. HAHAHAH…. Oh boy….fortunately it turned out okay for everyone except my ego…)

 

We’re getting into the ugly part of the icing season out here- and I’m going to be making a bunch of trips over the mountains during the winter- so I want to make sure my ice survival equipment is in top working condition

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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:47 am Post subject: Fuel Vent heat Test?

1. The vent heaters are not generally controlled by a switch, just the breaker and an internal thermostat.  On smaller planes, its just a light bulb.

 

2.  $2.00 will buy you a can of electrical contact cleaner or just a can of compressed air (for cleaning computer parts). and a $10 volt-ohm-meter.

 

3. Open the inspection port, you'll need access to the leads at the vent heater. Disconnect the power lead and test between the power and the heater.  It should show an "open" circuit (if the temp is above ~40F).

 

4.  Give the vent/heater body a shot of cleaner to chill it down.....The heater has a thermostat which should close and the VOM should show power going to the heater.  (it should also feel warmer to the touch if only for the time it takes to warm up to ambient temp.

 

 

Another way is to remove the vent heater and do the same test on a bench, inside where its warmer.

 

If you are still unsure, spend the $65 to have your A/P do it and have him swear on a stack FAA manuals.  I prefer to wait in the customer lounge and chat up the FBO secretary....

----

 

what was that saying...."Nothing in life is sure....less so..........  oh well, I forget."

 

wer

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From: Moe-rosspistons <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>

Subject: Re: Fuel Vent heat Test?

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 7:14 AM



Mike,

 

Do you think that it would be OK just to spray them with a c02 fire extinguisher?

 

Moe





From: mike floyd 

Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 7:06 AM

To: Matronics Thread 

Subject: RE: Fuel Vent heat Test?



Fill a cup with ice water and submerge the vents wait a few minutes and then turn them on. Or remove the vent heaters and put them in the freezer, using an ohmeter see if there is continuity through the thermostats.



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Robert,

 

The fuel vent heaters and the lift detector (stall warning switch) have temperature control on them so that they will not feel hot to the touch. The fuel vent heaters (at least on my bird) do not feel hot on a cold day, however they are warmer than the surrounding under wing skin.  If you get a definitive answer about testing please share.  Quite some time ago I made a similar post and did not get a complete reply from anyone.

 

Moe

N680RR

Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award





From: Robert S. Randazzo 

Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 2:20 AM

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com 

Subject: Fuel Vent heat Test?



Commanders-

Does anyone have a fool-proof method for testing the fuel vent heaters?

 

On a whim I decided to test them by turning on the battery, connecting the buses and activating the L/R Pitot and Fuel Vent heaters.

 

Pitots heated up enough that you could fry an egg- but the fuel probes did not warm even slightly.

 

This made me wonder if the fuel vent heaters are load-shed without a generator on-line?   (Yes yes- sometimes I have trouble keeping the big airplane stuff and the Commander stuff segregated in my brain….you should have seen me flaring at an eyeball height of 70’.. HAHAHAH…. Oh boy….fortunately it turned out okay for everyone except my ego…)

 

We’re getting into the ugly part of the icing season out here- and I’m going to be making a bunch of trips over the mountains during the winter- so I want to make sure my ice survival equipment is in top working condition

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rsrandazzo(at)precisionma
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:52 am Post subject: Fuel Vent heat Test?

Willis, et al-  

   

Thanks- these are all helpful.  

   

I’m not shy about having my shop looking at squawks.  I do quite a bit of work with them on a few different airplanes- so I get top notch service and no BS whatsoever when it comes to billing or having someone stop by the hangar to look at something that catches my attention.  

   

By the same token- it occurred to me that I don’t really know enough about those vent heaters to determine if they are working properly or not- so I thought it was important to correct my deficiency…  

   

Robert S. Randazzo  

N414C  

     

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1. The vent heaters are not generally   controlled by a switch, just the breaker and an internal   thermostat.  On smaller planes, its just a light bulb.   

      

    

      

2.  $2.00 will buy you a can of electrical contact   cleaner or just a can of compressed air (for cleaning computer parts). and a   $10 volt-ohm-meter.   

      

    

      

3. Open the inspection port, you'll need access to the   leads at the vent heater. Disconnect the power lead and test between the   power and the heater.  It should show an "open" circuit (if   the temp is above ~40F).   

      

    

      

4.  Give the vent/heater body a shot of cleaner   to chill it down.....The heater has a thermostat which should close and the   VOM should show power going to the heater.  (it should also feel warmer   to the touch if only for the time it takes to warm up to ambient temp.   

      

    

      

    

      

Another way is to remove the vent heater and do the same   test on a bench, inside where its warmer.   

      

    

      

If you are still unsure, spend the $65 to have your A/P do   it and have him swear on a stack FAA manuals.  I prefer to wait in the   customer lounge and chat up the FBO secretary....   

      

----   

      

    

      

what was that saying...."Nothing in life is   sure....less so..........  oh well, I forget."   

      

    

      

wer   

      



   

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   Subject: Re: Fuel Vent heat Test?

   To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

   Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 7:14 AM         

Mike,   

      

    

      

Do you   think that it would be OK just to spray them with a c02 fire extinguisher?   

      

    

      

Moe   

         

    

         

From: mike   floyd (floydgm(at)hotmail.com)    

      

Sent: Monday, November   17, 2008 7:06 AM   

      

To: Matronics Thread (commander-list(at)matronics.com)    

      

Subject: RE:   Fuel Vent heat Test?   

   

   

      

    

   

Fill a cup with ice water and   submerge the vents wait a few minutes and then turn them on. Or remove the   vent heaters and put them in the freezer, using an ohmeter see if there is   continuity through the thermostats.         

   

From: moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com (moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com)

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   Subject: Re: Fuel Vent heat Test?

   Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:51:26 -0800      

Robert,   

      

    

      

The   fuel vent heaters and the lift detector (stall warning switch) have temperature   control on them so that they will not feel hot to the touch. The fuel   vent heaters (at least on my bird) do not feel hot on a cold day, however   they are warmer than the surrounding under wing skin.  If you get a   definitive answer about testing please share.  Quite some time ago I   made a similar post and did not get a complete reply from anyone.   

      

    

      

Moe   

      

N680RR   

      

Proud   Holder of The Golden Pedal Award   

         

    

         

From: Robert S. Randazzo (rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com)    

      

Sent: Monday, November   17, 2008 2:20 AM   

      

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)    

      

Subject: Commander-List:   Fuel Vent heat Test?   

   

   

      

    

      

Commanders-   

   

Does anyone have a fool-proof method for testing the   fuel vent heaters?   

   

    	
   

On a whim I decided to test them by turning on the   battery, connecting the buses and activating the L/R Pitot and Fuel Vent   heaters.   

    

Pitots heated up enough that you could fry an egg- but   the fuel probes did not warm even slightly.   

    

This made me wonder if the fuel vent heaters are   load-shed without a generator on-line?   (Yes yes- sometimes I have   trouble keeping the big airplane stuff and the Commander stuff segregated in   my brain….you should have seen me flaring at an eyeball height of 70’..   HAHAHAH…. Oh boy….fortunately it turned out okay for everyone except my ego…)   

    

We’re getting into the ugly part of the icing season out   here- and I’m going to be making a bunch of trips over the mountains during   the winter- so I want to make sure my ice survival equipment is in top   working condition.   

    

Robert S. Randazzo   

N414C   

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