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Bill1200
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Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 6:06 pm Post subject: YAK Cross country underway |
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In a message dated 11/23/2008 3:34:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, billdykes52(at)gmail.com writes:
Bill1200
I assume you are talking about running out of air trying to start a Yak. Be careful NOT to put PURE oxygen in you aircraft system. It will cause a very bad explosion during a start! You want ordinary air or nitrogen in you system. When you talk about going to "welding shop" that scare me.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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Well things were going pretty good. Got out of Vermont in brutal cold. Beat the fronts down through Pennsylvania,West Virginia. Now I'm stuck in Russelville Arkansas. Wouldn't start this morning(think I probably flooded it) Used spare air. Now I'm screwed. Nothing open on Sunday of course. Monday will try to get some help from a welding supply place here in town. I don't have the large cylinder adapter so hopefully they can rig something up. It's been an adventure all right. Still have 2 days to get to California. No pics yet,too damn busy trying to stay warm
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Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 6:31 pm Post subject: YAK Cross country underway |
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Bill - try the local Fire Dept. - they usually have the equipment on hand as they regularly charge their breathing tanks. A contribution to their Christmas party fund may help...
In a message dated 11/23/2008 6:07:16 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, cjpilot710(at)aol.com writes:
Quote: | In a message dated 11/23/2008 3:34:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, billdykes52(at)gmail.com writes:
Bill1200
I assume you are talking about running out of air trying to start a Yak. Be careful NOT to put PURE oxygen in you aircraft system. It will cause a very bad explosion during a start! You want ordinary air or nitrogen in you system. When you talk about going to "welding shop" that scare me.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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Well things were going pretty good. Got out of Vermont in brutal cold. Beat the fronts down through Pennsylvania,West Virginia. Now I'm stuck in Russelville Arkansas. Wouldn't start this morning(think I probably flooded it) Used spare air. Now I'm screwed. Nothing open on Sunday of course. Monday will try to get some help from a welding supply place here in town. I don't have the large cylinder adapter so hopefully they can rig something up. It's been an adventure all right. Still have 2 days to get to California. No pics yet,too damn busy trying to stay warm
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Bill1200
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Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 3:33 am Post subject: Re: YAK Cross country underway |
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Yep, fully understand the no oxygen thing. The fire dept is a GREAT idea, thanks!!!!!
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Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:39 am Post subject: YAK Cross country underway |
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Besides the other good suggestions about not putting anything in the
tanks except compressed air or nitrogen, you also might want to consider
propping the engine. It is not any more dangerous than propping any
other aircraft, so if you can not do it yourself, you can maybe get
someone else to help you. In any case, it takes two people. Yes, it is
indeed possible to do it with just one person, but the danger level
increases proportionately and the procedure is different.
The very most important thing to remember here is that with no air, you
also have no brakes. That means the aircraft must.....REPEAT.... MUST
be tied down. I would recommend a 3 point tie-down AND three sets of
chocks. One man is in the aircraft, that should probably be yourself.
Pull the prop through a lot before getting ready to start. 20 blades is
not too much in cold weather. It sure would be nice if you could
pre-heat it!
Open the air tank valve and hit the starter button enough times to get
all... I mean ALL of the air out of the system. Or, use your flaps
going up and down to bleed the air out. Just make sure it is totally
out of air. TOTALLY.
Prime the engine... In dead cold weather as in REAL cold, 10 shots of
prime is NOT too much. Leave the prime handle pulled all the way OUT,
ready to SHOVE IN if the engine catches and then starts to die. With
the mags OFF, carefully pull the prop through at least another 5-8
blades. Remember that with the prime lever turned to engine prime, that
alone causes the mixture to be more rich than normal.
Set up everything for a normal start.
When the man outside gets ready to spin the prop by hand, push in the
starter button and you should hear a BUZZ from the boost transformer.
If the engine catches and starts, do the normal flip of the mags to both
on, and be ready to add more prime. At the same time, you CAN also pump
the throttle a LITTLE... But much better to just use the prime. Note:
It is much easier to get a fire with a lot of throttle movement and a
backfire.
Usually most airports will have someone who is experienced about
propping engines... You just have to let them know that yours turns the
"other way". It will start easier than a lot of other opposed engines
because of the low compression ratio.
Mark Bitterlich
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Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 3:04 pm Post subject: YAK Cross country underway |
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Bill, I had the same problem traveling in my 52 and got stuck on a Sunday. I called a truck tire emergency repair outfit and they had tanks of high pressure Nitrogen. We went to the local auto parts store for some adaptive fittings and I was back in business. Hope this helps.
In a message dated 11/23/2008 3:34:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, billdykes52(at)gmail.com writes:
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Well things were going pretty good. Got out of Vermont in brutal cold. Beat the fronts down through Pennsylvania,West Virginia. Now I'm stuck in Russelville Arkansas. Wouldn't start this morning(think I probably flooded it) Used spare air. Now I'm screwed. Nothing open on Sunday of course. Monday will try to get some help from a welding supply place here in town. I don't have the large cylinder adapter so hopefully they can rig something up. It's been an adventure all right. Still have 2 days to get to California. No pics yet,too damn busy trying to stay warm
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Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:23 am Post subject: Re: YAK Cross country underway |
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How many legs did this trip require?
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barryhancock
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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:17 am Post subject: Re: YAK Cross country underway |
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Congrats on the successful cross country. Make sure to come down for All Red Star next May!
Cheers,
Barry
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