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air.guerner(at)orange.fr
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Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 4:59 am Post subject: long range tank not good

Hello all, 

I have received my long range tank  recently and am preparing it for installation. The cap does not fit  well and it leaks. I took some measurements of the  threads on both the cap and the tank. The outer diameter of the male thread on  the tank varies between 63,8 mm and 64,6 mm while the inner diameter of the  thread on the cap varies between 63,3 and 63,9 mm. For the screwing to be  effective the diameter of the cap thread should be about 2 mm smaller than it  is. Obviously this is very bad and as a result the cap can be removed just by  pulling it vertically. There is no way I could use this tank safely as it  is.

  

<?xml:namespace prefix  = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />I have questioned the  factory but up to now the response has not been satisfactory. Has anyone  experienced the same problem? Any suggestion?

 Regards

 Remi Guerner

 F-PGKL



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air.guerner(at)orange.fr
Guest

Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 2:01 am Post subject: long range tank not good

Hello  all,



I do not know how many builders are using the monowheel long ranger  tank, but I am surprised not to receive any response on the forum regarding  my previous message below. May be I have got the only bad tank and cap  supplied by the factory! Again the problem is the cap which fits badly  to the tank opening. It is almost like screwing an AN6 nut to an AN5  bolt.  Comments and suggestions welcome. 

 Regards

Remi Guerner

F-PGKL



  

  

 Subject:  long range tank  not good



Hello all,



I have  received my long range tank recently and am preparing it for 

installation.  The cap does not fit well and it leaks. I took some 

measurements of the  threads on both the cap and the tank. The outer 

diameter of the male thread  on the tank varies between 63,8 mm and 64,6 

mm while the inner diameter of  the thread on the cap varies between 63,3 

and 63,9 mm. For the screwing to  be effective the diameter of the cap 

thread should be about 2 mm smaller  than it is. Obviously this is very 

bad and as a result the cap can be  removed just by pulling it 

vertically. There is no way I could use this tank  safely as it is.



I have questioned the factory but up to now the response  has not been 

satisfactory. Has anyone experienced the same problem? Any  suggestion?



Regards

Remi  Guerner

F-PGKL



    [quote][b]

hurstkr(at)redzone.com.au
Guest

Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 3:49 am Post subject: long range tank not good

Hello Remi,

  

 If I were you and I was unable to  interchange tanks and caps with another long range tank to identify the faulty  component/s, I think I would ask Europa to send me another cap.  If this  didn't resolve the problem, I would send the lot back to Europa for  replacement.  If you are lucky enough to find the cap at fault, you would  have minimised your freight costs.

  

 Kingsley in Oz

  

 do not archive

  

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rlborger(at)mac.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:22 am Post subject: long range tank not good

Remi,



My long ranger tank is out on loan.  When (if) it is ever returned, I'll check out the dimensions and let you know what they are.



Best regards,

Bob Borger

 

On Monday, December 01, 2008, at 04:00AM, "Remi Guerner" <air.guerner(at)orange.fr> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Hello all,



I do not know how many builders are using the monowheel long ranger tank, but I am surprised not to receive any response on the forum regarding my previous message below. May be I have got the only bad tank and cap supplied by the factory! Again the problem is the cap which fits badly to the tank opening. It is almost like screwing an AN6 nut to an AN5 bolt.  Comments and suggestions welcome. 

Regards

Remi Guerner

F-PGKL



Subject: long range tank  not good



Hello all,



I have received my long range tank recently and am preparing it for 

installation. The cap does not fit well and it leaks. I took some 

measurements of the threads on both the cap and the tank. The outer 

diameter of the male thread on the tank varies between 63,8 mm and 64,6 

mm while the inner diameter of the thread on the cap varies between 63,3 

and 63,9 mm. For the screwing to be effective the diameter of the cap 

thread should be about 2 mm smaller than it is. Obviously this is very 

bad and as a result the cap can be removed just by pulling it 

vertically. There is no way I could use this tank safely as it is.



I have questioned the factory but up to now the response has not been 

satisfactory. Has anyone experienced the same problem? Any suggestion?



Regards

Remi Guerner

F-PGKL

europaflyer_3(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 8:15 am Post subject: long range tank not good

Remi,



Something is definitely not right - my LR tank has a tightly fitting cap. Given the cap is a standard component and the tank is moulded, my first suspicion is your tank.



I'd continue to try to liaise with the factory, if I was in your shoes. Sorry that's not ideal news for you.



Kind regards,

Jeremy



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rehn(at)rockisland.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:28 am Post subject: long range tank not good

Remi  

   

My tank has worked well and the cap is firm when screwed down. Perhaps there is someone nearby with a cap you could try? At the very least the factory should send you a new cap to see if that might first fix the problem.  

   

Regards  

Jerry  

         

  

From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Remi Guerner

 Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 2:01 AM

 To: Europa-List Digest Server

 Subject: long range tank not good  

  

     

Hello all,

 

 I do not know how many builders are using the monowheel long ranger tank, but I am surprised not to receive any response on the forum regarding my previous message below. May be I have got the only bad tank and cap supplied by the factory! Again the problem is the cap which fits badly to the tank opening. It is almost like screwing an AN6 nut to an AN5 bolt.  Comments and suggestions welcome.   

    

Regards

 Remi Guerner

 F-PGKL  

    

   

    

   

  

        [quote][b]

rlborger(at)mac.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 6:32 pm Post subject: long range tank not good

Remi,



My long range tank has been returned.  I took some pics to post on my build website, but it appears that EuropaOwners.org is down again.  So I will pass along some numbers for you and will post the pics when the site is again functional.

Outside diameter of tank opening threads is 2.55 in. or 64.77 mm.

Inside diameter of the cap threads is 2.5 in. or 63.5 mm.

This provides 0.05 in. or 1.27 mm of thread engagement.

The threads on the tank opening are not perfect and it can be difficult to put the cap on without cross-threading.  But once the threads have been properly engaged, the cap screws on fairly easily.  Still, it is not a perfect fit.  I would not trust the cap to not leak should the tank end up on its' side or, worse yet, upside down.

My plans no longer call for the use of the long range tank anyway.  My wife has declared that there will NOT be any flight leg longer than THREE HOURS no matter how long the Europa can fly on available fuel.  So the long range tank is now superfluous for my needs.

I'll let the world know when I am able to post further to EuropaOwners.org.  Not much work done in the last two days anyway.  Too durn cold the last couple mornings.  It was 27F/-3C this morning.  And afternoons have been wiped out by other obligations.  Perhaps I can get some work done tomorrow as it is supposed to warm up a bit before the next cold front comes through around Tuesday (with possible frozen precipitation).

I need to put the covers on the door latch mechanisms, drill one final hole in the brake lever to put the last screw in to hold the brake handle on and do one final weight and balance.  Oh, and complete the final check list.  I believe that's it and I can call the Mel Asberry (FAA/DAR and EAA Tech Rep) to do the final inspections.

Check six,

 Bob Borger

Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S

http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL

(99.999% done) Essentially complete.  Running Tests & Final Inspections.

3705 Lynchburg Dr.

Corinth, TX  76208

Home:  940-497-2123

Cel:  817-992-1117



 



On Nov 27, 2008, at 6:58, Remi Guerner wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  

Hello all,

I have received my long range tank recently and am preparing it for installation. The cap does not fit well and it leaks. I took some measurements of the threads on both the cap and the tank. The outer diameter of the male thread on the tank varies between 63,8 mm and 64,6 mm while the inner diameter of the thread on the cap varies between 63,3 and 63,9 mm. For the screwing to be effective the diameter of the cap thread should be about 2 mm smaller than it is. Obviously this is very bad and as a result the cap can be removed just by pulling it vertically. There is no way I could use this tank safely as it is.



I have questioned the factory but up to now the response has not been satisfactory. Has anyone experienced the same problem? Any suggestion?

Regards

Remi Guerner

F-PGKL

air.guerner(at)orange.fr
Guest

Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 3:07 am Post subject: long range tank not good

Hi  Bob,

 Thank  you for your response.

 It looks like your tank and  cap are slightly better than mine. 

 I made a first flight today with the long  range tank installed and filled with about 15 liters. The fuel smell in flight  was so strong that I had to return for a landing after a few minutes. No  fuel leaks were found, only fuel vapor leaking through the badly sealed cap. In  the meantime I have received an answer from Roger at the factory. He said he has  found a better cap and has shipped it to me. Wait and see.

  

 Now is the long range tank superfluous? I am  not planning to fly five hour trips on a regular basis but it is  nice to be able to fly 2,5 hours to a remote strip with no fuel  facility and back home without an additional stop. You can also make some  savings avoiding to purchase high priced avgas most of the time!

 Regards

 Remi

  

  

  

  

 >>>>Remi,



My long range tank has been  returned.  I took some pics to post on my  

build website, but it  appears that EuropaOwners.org is down again.  So  

I will pass  along some numbers for you and will post the pics when the  

site is  again functional.



Outside diameter of tank opening threads is 2.55 in. or  64.77 mm.



Inside diameter of the cap threads is 2.5 in. or 63.5  mm.



This provides 0.05 in. or 1.27 mm of thread engagement.



The  threads on the tank opening are not perfect and it can be  

difficult to  put the cap on without cross-threading.  But once the  

threads  have been properly engaged, the cap screws on fairly easily.    

Still, it is not a perfect fit.  I would not trust the cap to not  leak  

should the tank end up on its' side or, worse yet, upside  down.



My plans no longer call for the use of the long range tank  anyway.  My  

wife has declared that there will NOT be any flight  leg longer than  

THREE HOURS no matter how long the Europa can fly on  available fuel.   

So the long range tank is now superfluous for my  needs.



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trevpond(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 6:36 am Post subject: long range tank not good

Hi Remi,

 

 Have you considered the Australian "Camelback" Bladder Tank range.  They are sealed systems with their own fuel pump.  Have a look at their web site for more information.

 

 regards

 

 

 Trev Pond

 G-LINN

 

 

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rlborger(at)mac.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 7:02 am Post subject: long range tank not good

Remi,



I have posted the pics of the long range tank opening and cap for what they are worth.

I expect the tank to be useful when flying alone as I could probably make the 5.5 hr extended duration without stops.  Which is why I am not offering it for sale.

A second reason there will be no long range tank when my wife is flying with me (and I expect that to be most of the time as she enjoys flying) is because she feels she will need every ounce (gram) of the 80 lb (36 kilo) baggage capacity.   So no long range tank shall get near the Europa if she is flying with me.

Temp was right at 32F/0C this morning at 0800 local (1400 Z) so I'll be working around the house till things warm up a bit more.  I still hope to get to the hanger to work all afternoon.

Check six,

 Bob Borger

Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S

http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL

(99.999% done) Essentially complete.  Running Tests & Final Inspections.

3705 Lynchburg Dr.

Corinth, TX  76208

Home:  940-497-2123

Cel:  817-992-1117



 



On Dec 7, 2008, at 5:06, Remi Guerner wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Hi Bob,

Thank you for your response.

It looks like your tank and cap are slightly better than mine.

I made a first flight today with the long range tank installed and filled with about 15 liters. The fuel smell in flight was so strong that I had to return for a landing after a few minutes. No fuel leaks were found, only fuel vapor leaking through the badly sealed cap. In the meantime I have received an answer from Roger at the factory. He said he has found a better cap and has shipped it to me. Wait and see.

 

Now is the long range tank superfluous? I am not planning to fly five hour trips on a regular basis but it is nice to be able to fly 2,5 hours to a remote strip with no fuel facility and back home without an additional stop. You can also make some savings avoiding to purchase high priced avgas most of the time!

Regards

Remi

aireupora(at)sbcglobal.ne
Guest

Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 1:10 pm Post subject: long range tank not good

Trev, do you have the URL.  I put it in google and nothing came up that match your E-mail.



--- On Sun, 12/7/08, trevpond(at)aol.com <trevpond(at)aol.com> wrote:

 [quote]From: trevpond(at)aol.com <trevpond(at)aol.com>

Subject: Re: long range tank not good

To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 2:34 PM



 Hi Remi,



Have you considered the Australian "Camelback" Bladder Tank range.  They are sealed systems with their own fuel pump.  Have a look at their web site for more information.



regards

Trev Pond

G-LINN

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rob(at)hyperion-ef.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 2:09 pm Post subject: long range tank not good

Try this “paid hit” at Google: http://www.atlinc.com/pillow.html?gclid=CNjM2YfAr5cCFQsQagodf3Pqhg  

   

   

Best regards,  

   

Rob Housman  

Irvine, CA   

Europa XS Tri-Gear  

A070  

Airframe complete  

     

From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Stockton

 Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 1:10 PM

 To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: long range tank not good  

  

           

Trev, do you have the URL.  I put it in google and   nothing came up that match your E-mail.

   

   --- On Sun, 12/7/08, trevpond(at)aol.com <trevpond(at)aol.com>   wrote:   

From: trevpond(at)aol.com   <trevpond(at)aol.com>

   Subject: Re: long range tank not good

   To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

   Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 2:34 PM      

Hi Remi,

   

   Have you considered the Australian "Camelback" Bladder Tank   range.  They are sealed systems with their own fuel pump.  Have a   look at their web site for more information.

   

   regards

   

   

   Trev Pond

   G-LINN

   

   

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m.grass(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:13 pm Post subject: long range tank not good

ATL Inc is a little large (starting at 25gal)  

  

 Trev likely meant Turtle Pac

  

 Have a look at 

  

 http://www.turtlepac.com/sportair.htm

  

 They are specialized in aircraft applications  too.

  

 Michael Grass

 Detroit, Mi

 Europa XS TriGear 

 A266

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sandford(at)melbpc.org.au
Guest

Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 6:09 pm Post subject: long range tank not good

Turtlepak  had a booth at Oshkosh this year. Tim Ward and I discussed

the possibility of sitting the 20 litre ¨jerry can¨ version in the

¨foot-well¨ of the baggage bay and mounting it vertically to the seat

back. I have not looked into it since I´ve been home.



There is probably room for 2 of them to give 40 litres extra without

altering the C of G by any more than the Europa design.



If you are filling them outside the aircraft, 20 ltrs is a lot easier to

lift back into the baggage bay.



Not a cheap solution the way the Oz Dollar is at the moment.



Regards



Lance Sandford in Oz



Michael Grass wrote:

[quote] ATL Inc is a little large (starting at 25gal)

  

 Trev likely meant Turtle Pac

  

 Have a look at

  

 http://www.turtlepac.com/sportair.htm

  

 They are specialized in aircraft applications too.

  

 Michael Grass

 Detroit, Mi

 Europa XS TriGear 

 A266



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