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Tom Jones

Joined: 12 Mar 2006
Posts: 752
Location: Ellensburg, WA

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 5:28 am Post subject: 503 engine fogging-OOPS-Update, got it.

Does anyone have an idea on how to fish a fogging oil spray can plastic extension tube out of the crankcase on a 503?  The engine is mounted spark plugs up and it was not running when the tube shot in there.  I took the carb off but still can't see the tube.

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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA

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olendorf

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Location: Schenectady, NY USA

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:19 am Post subject: Re: 503 engine fogging-OOPS

I would try a shop vac.

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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:02 am Post subject: 503 engine fogging-OOPS

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		   Does anyone have an idea on how to fish a fogging oil spray can plastic extension tube out of the crankcase on a 503? The engine is mounted spark plugs up and it was not running when the tube shot in there. I took the carb off but still can't see the tube.



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 Tom Jones

 Classic IV

 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp

 Ellensburg, WA


	




Tom,



I would recommend trying to get ahold of a boroscope (like the link I've attached), and one

of those 4-fingered claws that Lanny suggested.

 

If you don't want to buy a boroscope, most "well-equiped" auto repair mechanics have them.  Possibly you could buy him lunch or something.  Just an idea.

 

Here's what I'm referring to:

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BORESCOPE-BOROSCOPE-FIBERSCOPE-FIBER-OPTIC-SCOPE-NEW_W0QQitemZ200290098469QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Automotive_Tools?hash=item200290098469&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A543%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

 

Or, if you can get a set of those mechanic mirrors, this might get you by as far as peering into

the crankcase.  You can get these locally at any auto parts store.  BTW, your best time to use the mirror is at night, with a really bright flashlight (and your 4-fingered claw).

 

Also, as Scott suggested, you might try the shop-vac idea.  I would tape a section of flexible tubing on the end of the hose, say, about 3 feet long, so that you can fish around inside the crankcase.  Every couple of minutes, check for the tube inside the vacuum.

 

Hang in there, you'll get it out.

 

Mike Welch

MkIII

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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:11 am Post subject: 503 engine fogging-OOPS

Tom,

 

  Here is the set of mirrors I was suggesting.  Very handy to have.  Maybe you wouldn't

need the boroscope, if the spray tube isn't too far inside the motor.

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/4pc-TELESCOPING-INSPECTION-MIRROR-AND-PICKUP-MAGNET-SET_W0QQitemZ220334412737QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Automotive_Tools?hash=item220334412737&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A64%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

 

Best of luck,

 

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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:48 am Post subject: 503 engine fogging-OOPS

At 05:28 AM 12/29/08 -0800, you wrote:

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Does anyone have an idea on how to fish a fogging oil spray can plastic extension tube out of the crankcase on a 503?  The engine is mounted spark plugs up and it was not running when the tube shot in there.  I took the carb off but still can't see the tube.



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Tom,



No experience at this so this just a suggestion.  Remove the intake manifold 

so that you have as good a view as possible.  Then rotate the engine slowly 

so that the crank throw sweeps the case from the far side to the bottom and 

up.  Hopefully this will bring the tube up into your field of vision as the 

port opens.



Good Luck!



Jack B. Hart FF004

Winchester, IN

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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:53 am Post subject: 503 engine fogging-OOPS

Can't you see a lot better with the exhaust manifold removed?

  

 Howard  Shackleford

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  In a message dated 12/29/2008 8:29:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  nahsikhs(at)elltel.net writes:

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Tom Jones

Joined: 12 Mar 2006
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Location: Ellensburg, WA

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:12 pm Post subject: Re: 503 engine fogging-OOPS-Update, got it.

Can't see into the crankcase from the exhaust side, only the side and top of the piston.



I used a small mechanic's mirror to look around in there from the intake and could see the little red bugger but managed to push it down out of sight trying to grab it with a flex claw. Ended up taking the cylinder off to get it out. Just ordered the gaskets to put the engine back together. 



It was an expensive lesson from the school of hard knocks.

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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA

John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:19 pm Post subject: 503 engine fogging-OOPS-Update, got it.

> It was an expensive lesson from the school of hard knocks.

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 Tom Jones


	


Tom J:



Not a complete waste.  Should have given you a good opportunity to inspect 

the inside of the 503.



john h

mkIII

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John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler
Titus, Alabama

Tom Jones

Joined: 12 Mar 2006
Posts: 752
Location: Ellensburg, WA

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:14 pm Post subject: Re: 503 engine fogging-OOPS-Update, got it.

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		  Not a complete waste. Should have given you a good opportunity to inspect 

the inside of the 503. 



john h 	




Yes, it is reassuring to see that everything is in order inside the noise maker.

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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA

John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:39 pm Post subject: 503 engine fogging-OOPS-Update, got it.

> Tom Jones

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		   Classic IV

 
	




Tom J:



What's a Classic IV?



john h

mkIII

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John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
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Titus, Alabama

Tom Jones

Joined: 12 Mar 2006
Posts: 752
Location: Ellensburg, WA

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: 503 engine fogging-OOPS-Update, got it.

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		  Tom J: 



What's a Classic IV? 	




Kitfox.  Not too many people still use the 503 on a Kitfox so with engine questions I usually ask the Kolb list too.

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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA

John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 4:41 pm Post subject: 503 engine fogging-OOPS-Update, got it.

> Kitfox.  Not too many people still use the 503 on a Kitfox so with engine 

questions I usually ask the Kolb list too.

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		   Tom Jones


	


Tom J:



Several years ago, Rick Neilsen, Scott Trask, John W and I flew from Iron 

Mountain, MI, in a gaggle that included a 503 powered Kit Fox.  Can't 

remember the man's name that flew it, but he was a very big man.  Kit Fox 

did ok, but would not keep up with the MKIII and Kolbra.



john h

mkIII

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John Hauck
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Titus, Alabama

John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 4:51 pm Post subject: 503 engine fogging-OOPS-Update, got it.

<gaggle that included a 503 powered Kit Fox.



The gaggle flew to OSH.



john h

mkIII

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