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Sorry for the dumb question, but I'm getting started on the wings and I have a dimpling question.
In the tailkit I thought I dimpled the skin attach holes in the ribs so the skin dimples could fit into them. Now I don't see that instruction to dimple the same oles on the aft wing ribs in the plans. I looked on Mike H's site and he doesn't show a step for dimpling the ribs either.
It seems logical to dimple the ribs if the skins are dimpled. What am I missing.
Jeff Dalton
Tail Kit done
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| Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:05 pm Post subject: Should I dimple the wing ribs? |
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Jeff,
You may want to jump ahead to the wing skin section, If I recall you match drill the skins then remove, deburr and dimple...But yes the ribs get dimpled with maybe the exception of the top skins at the wing root where the doublers go, I think they are not dimpled due the the doubler/skin being machine countersunk but don't hold me to that.
Rick Sked
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| Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:06 pm Post subject: Should I dimple the wing ribs? |
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Jeff,
Standby for probably better answers as it’s been awhile, but here is my 2 cents. You are correct in assuming if you dimple the skin you need to dimple (or countersink depending on the material) the part it’s mated to. I have a thought for your situation, but not being sure of exactly which parts you are working on I’m not it will apply. I think there is a doubler plate where you step on the wing near the root. That plate will get countersunk but not the ribs underneath. If your question deals with just that area of the wing, then I suspect you can press on. If not then wait for a more appropriate answer.
I recommend you also look at Tim Olson’s website for pictures of the parts you are working on.
Congrats on completing the tailkit, I’m sure that was motivational.
Marcus
40286 – 392 hrs
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Subject: Should I dimple the wing ribs?
Sorry for the dumb question, but I'm getting started on the wings and I have a dimpling question.
In the tailkit I thought I dimpled the skin attach holes in the ribs so the skin dimples could fit into them. Now I don't see that instruction to dimple the same oles on the aft wing ribs in the plans. I looked on Mike H's site and he doesn't show a step for dimpling the ribs either.
It seems logical to dimple the ribs if the skins are dimpled. What am I missing.
Jeff Dalton
Tail Kit done
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jdalton77(at)comcast.net
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| Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 9:08 pm Post subject: Should I dimple the wing ribs? |
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Marcus,
Thanks, It was a proud moment - sort of like having another child (but being much too old!).
I should have been more clear. The reason I'm a little confused is that I think the instructions have me riveting the ribs to the spar now. If I rivet them first, then I'll have to dimple all of the rib holds with a squeezer, instead of the DDR-2 that I paid 400 bucks for.
Jeff
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Standby for probably better answers as it’s been awhile, but here is my 2 cents. You are correct in assuming if you dimple the skin you need to dimple (or countersink depending on the material) the part it’s mated to. I have a thought for your situation, but not being sure of exactly which parts you are working on I’m not it will apply. I think there is a doubler plate where you step on the wing near the root. That plate will get countersunk but not the ribs underneath. If your question deals with just that area of the wing, then I suspect you can press on. If not then wait for a more appropriate answer.
I recommend you also look at Tim Olson’s website for pictures of the parts you are working on.
Congrats on completing the tailkit, I’m sure that was motivational.
Marcus
40286 – 392 hrs
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To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Should I dimple the wing ribs?
Sorry for the dumb question, but I'm getting started on the wings and I have a dimpling question.
In the tailkit I thought I dimpled the skin attach holes in the ribs so the skin dimples could fit into them. Now I don't see that instruction to dimple the same oles on the aft wing ribs in the plans. I looked on Mike H's site and he doesn't show a step for dimpling the ribs either.
It seems logical to dimple the ribs if the skins are dimpled. What am I missing.
Jeff Dalton
Tail Kit done
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| Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 10:18 pm Post subject: Should I dimple the wing ribs? |
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It goes quick, dimpling with the squeezer. I think I recall doing it that way because you don’t match drill the bottom skins till after the top skins have been riveted. I’m guessing the reason they don’t have you dimple the top sides is because of confusion. I know I’d end up dimpling the wrong side of about half the darn ribs if I did them loose.
-Ben
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Subject: RE: Should I dimple the wing ribs?
Marcus,
Thanks, It was a proud moment - sort of like having another child (but being much too old!).
I should have been more clear. The reason I'm a little confused is that I think the instructions have me riveting the ribs to the spar now. If I rivet them first, then I'll have to dimple all of the rib holds with a squeezer, instead of the DDR-2 that I paid 400 bucks for.
Jeff
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ricksked(at)embarqmail.co
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| Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 10:28 pm Post subject: Should I dimple the wing ribs? |
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From: jdalton77(at)comcast.net
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 05:07:42 +0000
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Subject: RE: RV10-List: Should I dimple the wing ribs?
Marcus,
Thanks, It was a proud moment - sort of like having another child (but being much too old!).
I should have been more clear. The reason I'm a little confused is that I think the instructions have me riveting the ribs to the spar now. If I rivet them first, then I'll have to dimple all of the rib holds with a squeezer, instead of the DDR-2 that I paid 400 bucks for.
Jeff
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From: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85(at)cableone.net>
Jeff,<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
Standby for probably better answers as it’s been awhile, but here is my 2 cents. You are correct in assuming if you dimple the skin you need to dimple (or countersink depending on the material) the part it’s mated to. I have a thought for your situation, but not being sure of exactly which parts you are working on I’m not it will apply. I think there is a doubler plate where you step on the wing near the root. That plate will get countersunk but not the ribs underneath. If your question deals with just that area of the wing, then I suspect you can press on. If not then wait for a more appropriate answer.
I recommend you also look at Tim Olson’s website for pictures of the parts you are working on.
Congrats on completing the tailkit, I’m sure that was motivational.
Marcus
40286 – 392 hrs
Do not archive
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdalton77(at)comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 8:43 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Should I dimple the wing ribs?
Sorry for the dumb question, but I'm getting started on the wings and I have a dimpling question.
In the tailkit I thought I dimpled the skin attach holes in the ribs so the skin dimples could fit into them. Now I don't see that instruction to dimple the same oles on the aft wing ribs in the plans. I looked on Mike H's site and he doesn't show a step for dimpling the ribs either.
It seems logical to dimple the ribs if the skins are dimpled. What am I missing.
Jeff Dalton
Tail Kit done
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rv10rob(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 10:31 pm Post subject: Should I dimple the wing ribs? |
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Bigger point here is that unlike the tail kit, the plans don't call out every step in the wing and subsequent kits. In this case, you're expected to look at the rivet callouts for the wing skins and know that the corresponding rib holes should be dimpled.
-Rob
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Ben Westfall <rv10(at)sinkrate.com (rv10(at)sinkrate.com)> wrote:
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It goes quick, dimpling with the squeezer. I think I recall doing it that way because you don't match drill the bottom skins till after the top skins have been riveted. I'm guessing the reason they don't have you dimple the top sides is because of confusion. I know I'd end up dimpling the wrong side of about half the darn ribs if I did them loose.
-Ben
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Subject: RE: Should I dimple the wing ribs?
Marcus,
Thanks, It was a proud moment - sort of like having another child (but being much too old!).
I should have been more clear. The reason I'm a little confused is that I think the instructions have me riveting the ribs to the spar now. If I rivet them first, then I'll have to dimple all of the rib holds with a squeezer, instead of the DDR-2 that I paid 400 bucks for.
Jeff
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rv(at)thelefflers.com
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 3:38 am Post subject: Should I dimple the wing ribs? |
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Ben raises a good point. Read ahead to the bottom skin pages. I went ahead and matched drilled those pieces as well. Then go ahead and dimple all of them with your DRDT-2. You then don't need to worry about the bottom of your ribs later.
I did this because I wanted to prime after match drilling and dimpling both sides of the ribs to ensure everything got covered.
bob
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From: "Ben Westfall" <rv10(at)sinkrate.com>
Date: 2008/12/24 Wed AM 01:16:43 EST
To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject: RE: Should I dimple the wing ribs?
It goes quick, dimpling with the squeezer. I think I recall doing it that
way because you don't match drill the bottom skins till after the top skins
have been riveted. I'm guessing the reason they don't have you dimple the
top sides is because of confusion. I know I'd end up dimpling the wrong
side of about half the darn ribs if I did them loose.
-Ben
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To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Should I dimple the wing ribs?
Marcus,
Thanks, It was a proud moment - sort of like having another child (but being
much too old!).
I should have been more clear. The reason I'm a little confused is that I
think the instructions have me riveting the ribs to the spar now. If I
rivet them first, then I'll have to dimple all of the rib holds with a
squeezer, instead of the DDR-2 that I paid 400 bucks for.
Jeff
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seipel(at)seznam.cz
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 4:17 am Post subject: Should I dimple the wing ribs? |
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In general, Van's has you do things in a particular order for a reason.
The reason they have you wait to match drill / dimple until the top
skins are riveted is because even though it's pre-punched, things do
move around a little bit. And it only takes being off a very small
fraction of an inch to end up with oil-canning later. So yes, you can
put the entire wing together to start with, match drill, take it all
apart and dimple, and then rivet it together. If you're lucky then
everything will fit great and you won't have oil canning. If not...
PJ Seipel
RV-10 #40032
rv(at)thelefflers.com wrote:
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Ben raises a good point. Read ahead to the bottom skin pages. I went ahead and matched drilled those pieces as well. Then go ahead and dimple all of them with your DRDT-2. You then don't need to worry about the bottom of your ribs later.
I did this because I wanted to prime after match drilling and dimpling both sides of the ribs to ensure everything got covered.
bob
> From: "Ben Westfall" <rv10(at)sinkrate.com>
> Date: 2008/12/24 Wed AM 01:16:43 EST
> To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Should I dimple the wing ribs?
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> It goes quick, dimpling with the squeezer. I think I recall doing it that
> way because you don't match drill the bottom skins till after the top skins
> have been riveted. I'm guessing the reason they don't have you dimple the
> top sides is because of confusion. I know I'd end up dimpling the wrong
> side of about half the darn ribs if I did them loose.
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> -Ben
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> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> jdalton77(at)comcast.net
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> Marcus,
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> Thanks, It was a proud moment - sort of like having another child (but being
> much too old!).
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> I should have been more clear. The reason I'm a little confused is that I
> think the instructions have me riveting the ribs to the spar now. If I
> rivet them first, then I'll have to dimple all of the rib holds with a
> squeezer, instead of the DDR-2 that I paid 400 bucks for.
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> Jeff
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