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henrysfork1(at)msn.com
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 Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 5:13 pm Post subject: Ground loops? |
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<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]--> I have never flown anything but a tail dragger and I think people spend way to much time worrying about it. Learn to handle the plane on the ground with the tail down then get the tail up and do some high speed taxi runs. If you can't handle it on the ground you will get in serious trouble if you fly it.
Dee Young
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N345DY
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kerrjohna(at)comcast.net
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| Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 9:13 am Post subject: Ground loops? |
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I have less than 20 hours/landings in tricycle gear aircraft. 0 for 2000+ landings in kitfox and rv9. If you haven't done 3 touch and goes in that last (insert your own number).....Practice Practice Practice. It is all fun.
One of the great debates centers around the tension of the tailwheel/rudder cables. One side likes to have a little slack to reduce sensitivity, the other argument is for more precise control. The first requires "dancing" on the pedals while the latter responds to pressure. How one learned is generally the basis for the bias.
John Kerr
Classic IV,912ul
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From: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1(at)msn.com>
<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]--> I have never flown anything but a tail dragger and I think people spend way to much time worrying about it. Learn to handle the plane on the ground with the tail down then get the tail up and do some high speed taxi runs. If you can't handle it on the ground you will get in serious trouble if you fly it.
Dee Young
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N345DY
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clint_bazzill(at)hotmail.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 4:16 pm Post subject: Ground loops? |
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HAVING LOOSE RUDDER PEDALS IN YOUR AIRPLANE C IS LIKE HAVING LOOSE STEERING IN YOUR CAR. NOT A GOOD IDEA.
CLINT
From: kerrjohna(at)comcast.net
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Ground loops?
Date: Tue C 23 Dec 2008 17:12:24 +0000
I have less than 20 hours/landings in tricycle gear aircraft. 0 for 2000+ landings in kitfox and rv9. If you haven't done 3 touch and goes in that last (insert your own number).....Practice Practice Practice. It is all fun.
One of the great debates centers around the tension of the tailwheel/rudder cables. One side likes to have a little slack to reduce sensitivity C the other argument is for more precise control. The first requires "dancing" on the pedals while the latter responds to pressure. How one learned is generally the basis for the bias.
John Kerr
Classic IV C912ul
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From: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1(at)msn.com>
I have never flown anything but a tail dragger and I think people spend way to much time worrying about it. Learn to handle the plane on the ground with the tail down then get the tail up and do some high speed taxi runs. If you can't handle it on the ground you will get in serious trouble if you fly it.
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
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Lynn Matteson
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| Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:11 pm Post subject: Ground loops? |
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Clint-
I don't think you can have loose rudder pedals in a Kitfox, because
of the return spring that go from the pedals to the firewall...at
least in my IV they do. The looseness that most people argue over is
the linkage from the rudder horns to the steering arms on the
tailwheel assembly. Mine are loose and I love 'em like that, and
again, I have had only one ground loop in 1315 landings (and that was
a hurry to get turned around) in 500 hours of solo flight in my
Kitfox since I learned to fly in this same Kitfox, at age 69. I don't
even know whether I'm dancing on the pedals or what...it just comes
natural, and I don't even think about it.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
On Dec 23, 2008, at 7:15 PM, Clint Bazzill wrote:
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HAVING LOOSE RUDDER PEDALS IN YOUR AIRPLANE, IS LIKE HAVING LOOSE
STEERING IN YOUR CAR. NOT A GOOD IDEA.
CLINT
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clint_bazzill(at)hotmail.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:25 am Post subject: Ground loops? |
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You are right C the rudder is connected directly to the pedals. There should be no play (backlash) to the tail wheel. It is like loose steering C it will keep you on the highway but not desireable. Clint
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Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ground loops?
Date: Tue C 23 Dec 2008 22:09:53 -0500
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
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Clint-
I don't think you can have loose rudder pedals in a Kitfox C because
of the return spring that go from the pedals to the firewall...at
least in my IV they do. The looseness that most people argue over is
the linkage from the rudder horns to the steering arms on the
tailwheel assembly. Mine are loose and I love 'em like that C and
again C I have had only one ground loop in 1315 landings (and that was
a hurry to get turned around) in 500 hours of solo flight in my
Kitfox since I learned to fly in this same Kitfox C at age 69. I don't
even know whether I'm dancing on the pedals or what...it just comes
natural C and I don't even think about it.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster C taildragger
Jabiru 2200 C #2062 C 596+ hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild C and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
On Dec 23 C 2008 C at 7:15 PM C Clint Bazzill wrote:
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> HAVING LOOSE RUDDER PEDALS IN YOUR AIRPLANE C IS LIKE HAVING LOOSE
> STEERING IN YOUR CAR. NOT A GOOD IDEA.
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> CLINT
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Float Flyr
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 11:04 am Post subject: Ground loops? |
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My tail wheel controls between the rudder horn and the tail wheel horn are
compression springs with adjusting chains.. So far I haven't flown
conventional gear but I've set up a bunch of bush pilots that way and they
like it.
Noel
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Lynn Matteson
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 12:25 pm Post subject: Ground loops? |
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I initially tried the Maule anti-shimmy compression springs, but
could not turn (I hadn't flown the plane yet) when turning meant
compressing the heavier of the two springs. I removed them, went back
to the tension springs as provided in the kit, and that's what I use
to this day. The others might work if I were to try them now, but if
it ain't broke.....
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
On Dec 24, 2008, at 2:04 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
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My tail wheel controls between the rudder horn and the tail wheel
horn are
compression springs with adjusting chains.. So far I haven't flown
conventional gear but I've set up a bunch of bush pilots that way
and they
like it.
Noel
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kirkhull(at)kc.rr.com
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 6:05 pm Post subject: Ground loops? |
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TAILDRAGGER
Taildragger, I hate your guts,
I have the license , ratings and such
But to make you go straight is driving me nuts.
With hours of teaching and the controls in my clutch
It takes a little rudder, easy, thats too much.
You see, I learned to fly in a tricycle gear
with one up front and two in the rear.
She was sleek and clean and easy to steer
But this miserable thing with tires and struts
Takes a little rudder, easy, thats too much.
It demands your attention on the take-off roll
Or itll head towards Joness as you pour on the coal.
Gotta hang loose, dont over control.
This wicked little plane is just too much
With a lot of zigzagging and words obscene
I think Ive mastered this slippery machine.
Its not that bad if you have the touch
Just a little rudder, easy, thats too much.
I relax for a second and from the corner of my eye,
I suddenly realize with a gasp and a cry
Thats my own tail thats going by.
You ground looping wreck; I hate your guts,
Give a little rudder, Great Scott, THATS TOO MUCH.
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