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dalemed

Joined: 25 Dec 2007
Posts: 46

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:05 pm Post subject: Hand Riveter Heads

Is Zenith Aircraft Company the only source for riveter heads that will form the A4 and A5 rivet heads properly?



I recently returned two heads to Zenith that I had originally purchased from them about 30 years ago when I thought I would scratch build a CH250.  I used these in a standard hardware store hand riveter.  I've used this old tool to set some rivets on the 601XL/650 that I'm building now and I wasn't very happy with the head that was being formed on the rivet.  So, I decided to send them back to Zenith and have them reworked.  Even though I had them triple wrapped, they broke out of the envelope and were lost.  Zenith kindly sent me some new ones!  However, the new ones won't fit my old tool (the replacements are a smaller diameter thread - the same as the thread on the pneumatic riveter I bought from Zenith).



The Zenith factory now tells me they can't supply the thread size my old riveter needs.  So, I decided what the heck, I'll just buy a new riveter!  I bought one at the local Menards that looked like it would get me into tight places only to discover when I got home that it uses the same thread size heads as my old riveter!



So I'm now looking for another supplier of rivet heads, or a recommendation for a good manual riveter that will take the same thread size heads as the Zenith Pneumatic riveter.



Any recommendations will be appreciated!

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bryanmmartin

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1018

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:15 pm Post subject: Hand Riveter Heads

It's not too hard to grind the heads to the proper shape your self.  

Just chuck the head into a drill motor and spin it while grinding with  

a small grinding bit in a Dremel tool. I bought spare heads for my  

Harbor Freight riveter so I could grind a set and still have a flat set.



On Dec 31, 2008, at 3:05 PM, dalemed wrote:



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 Is Zenith Aircraft Company the only source for riveter heads that  

 will form the A4 and A5 rivet heads properly?



 Any recommendations will be appreciated!




	




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jaybannist(at)cs.com
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:21 pm Post subject: Hand Riveter Heads

Dale,

 

 I bought a swiveling head type rivet puller at the local Ace Hardware.  I found that the ZAC riveter nose pieces wouldn't fit; so I just ground the Ace nose pieces myself.  They were so hard that I had to heat them up and let them cool to be able to grind them.  I chucked the nose piece in a hand drill and ground it with a ball end tool in a Dremel.  It may not have precisely the same contour that ZAC provides, but I compared the results from both and it was certainly close enough for me.

 

   

 Jay in Dallas

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psm(at)att.net
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:22 pm Post subject: Hand Riveter Heads

Hi Dale,



Have no fear.  You can grind your own recesses in riveter nose pieces.



There are many ways to do this.  Perhaps the best way is to use a 

round grind stone or round cutter in a small rotary tool - a 

"Dremel".  I mounted my nose pieces in the 3 jaw chuck of my lathe 

and turned the piece slowly while grinding the recess.  You might do 

the same thing using a drill instead of the lathe.



The only "Trick" is deciding when you have ground enough.  This can 

be done by testing the nose piece with actual rivet setting.  If you 

feel you have gone too far you can reduce the depth of the recess by 

filing a flat zone off the end of the nose piece.



You may need to buy some new tools to accomplish this task.  But, 

isn't building the airplane mostly just a good excuse to buy new tools?



Good luck,



Paul

XL getting close

At 12:05 PM 12/31/2008, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  



Is Zenith Aircraft Company the only source for riveter heads that 

will form the A4 and A5 rivet heads properly?



I recently returned two heads to Zenith that I had originally 

purchased from them about 30 years ago when I thought I would 

scratch build a CH250.  I used these in a standard hardware store 

hand riveter.  I've used this old tool to set some rivets on the 

601XL/650 that I'm building now and I wasn't very happy with the 

head that was being formed on the rivet.  So, I decided to send them 

back to Zenith and have them reworked.  Even though I had them 

triple wrapped, they broke out of the envelope and were 

lost.  Zenith kindly sent me some new ones!  However, the new ones 

won't fit my old tool (the replacements are a smaller diameter 

thread - the same as the thread on the pneumatic riveter I bought from Zenith).



The Zenith factory now tells me they can't supply the thread size my 

old riveter needs.  So, I decided what the heck, I'll just buy a new 

riveter!  I bought one at the local Menards that looked like it 

would get me into tight places only to discover when I got home that 

it uses the same thread size heads as my old riveter!



So I'm now looking for another supplier of rivet heads, or a 

recommendation for a good manual riveter that will take the same 

thread size heads as the Zenith Pneumatic riveter.



Any recommendations will be appreciated!



--------

Dale

Flying Cessna 170B

Building Zenith CH650

ronpollock(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:23 pm Post subject: Hand Riveter Heads

I hope this isn't a foolish question but do you need separate dies for

A4 and A5? The A4 die I ground seems to also be the right one for the

A5 shafts but wouldn't have the right head profile (?).



Thanks, Ron in L.A. (Happy New Year!)

slook(at)mchsi.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:26 pm Post subject: Hand Riveter Heads

I use the manual riveter that Zenith sells. It has worked well and 

the heads are already ground when you get it.



Steve



At 02:05 PM 12/31/2008, you wrote:

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So I'm now looking for another supplier of rivet heads, or a 

recommendation for a good manual riveter that will take the same 

thread size heads as the Zenith Pneumatic riveter.


	


Steve Look

Monticello, IL

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"Dogs have owners, Cats have staff"

Gig Giacona

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1416
Location: El Dorado Arkansas USA

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:53 pm Post subject: Re: Hand Riveter Heads

Yes they are different.



 	  ronpollock(at)gmail.com wrote: 	
		  I hope this isn't a foolish question but do you need separate dies for

A4 and A5? The A4 die I ground seems to also be the right one for the

A5 shafts but wouldn't have the right head profile (?).



Thanks, Ron in L.A. (Happy New Year!)

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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:58 pm Post subject: Hand Riveter Heads

Dale

  

 It would be a lot easier to re tap the treads in the rivet gun if you  already have the nose pieces from Zenith.

  

 Bob Spudis

 N701ZX

  

  

 In a message dated 12/31/2008 12:22:55 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  psm(at)att.net writes:

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		  -->    Zenith601-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <psm(at)att.net>



Hi    Dale,



Have no fear.  You can grind your own recesses in riveter    nose pieces.



There are many ways to do this.  Perhaps the best way    is to use a 

round grind stone or round cutter in a small rotary tool - a    

"Dremel".  I mounted my nose pieces in the 3 jaw chuck of my lathe    

and turned the piece slowly while grinding the recess.  You might do    

the same thing using a drill instead of the lathe.



The only "Trick"    is deciding when you have ground enough.  This can 

be done by testing    the nose piece with actual rivet setting.  If you 

feel you have gone    too far you can reduce the depth of the recess by 

filing a flat zone off    the end of the nose piece.



You may need to buy some new tools to    accomplish this task.  But, 

isn't building the airplane mostly just a    good excuse to buy new tools?



Good luck,



Paul

XL getting    close

At 12:05 PM 12/31/2008, you wrote:

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		  -->    Zenith601-List message posted by: "dalemed"    <dalemed(at)gmail.com>



Is Zenith Aircraft Company the only    source for riveter heads that 

will form the A4 and A5 rivet heads    properly?



I recently returned two heads to Zenith that I had    originally 

purchased from them about 30 years ago when I thought I    would 

scratch build a CH250.  I used these in a standard hardware    store 

hand riveter.  I've used this old tool to set some rivets    on the 

601XL/650 that I'm building now and I wasn't very happy with    the 

head that was being formed on the rivet.  So, I decided to    send them 

back to Zenith and have them reworked.  Even though I    had them 

triple wrapped, they broke out of the envelope and were    

lost.  Zenith kindly sent me some new ones!  However, the    new ones 

won't fit my old tool (the replacements are a smaller    diameter 

thread - the same as the thread on the pneumatic riveter I    bought from Zenith).



The Zenith factory now tells me they can't    supply the thread size my 

old riveter needs.  So, I decided what    the heck, I'll just buy a new 

riveter!  I bought one at the local    Menards that looked like it 

would get me into tight places only to    discover when I got home that 

it uses the same thread size heads as my    old riveter!



So I'm now looking for another supplier of rivet    heads, or a 

recommendation for a good manual riveter that will take    the same 

thread size heads as the Zenith Pneumatic    riveter.



Any recommendations will be    appreciated!



--------

Dale

Flying Cessna    170B

Building Zenith  nbsp;  sp;             (And Get Some AWESOME FREE   find  you for                          -Matt Dralle,    List  e the  es  y                 - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS  =========================


	


	


 

  



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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 2:05 pm Post subject: Hand Riveter Heads

The formed rivet heads are different sizes. I think if you ask them Zenith  will tell you the correct dimensions for the riveter heads.

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CH701 - Elbert CO - Jabiru 3300



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  In a message dated 12/31/2008 1:24:08 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  ronpollock(at)gmail.com writes:

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I hope this isn't a foolish question but    do you need separate dies for

A4 and A5? The A4 die I ground seems to also    be the right one for the

A5 shafts but wouldn't have the right head profile    (?).



Thanks, Ron in L.A. (Happy New  sp;             (And Get Some AWESOME FREE   find  you for                          -Matt Dralle,    List  e the  es  y                 - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS  =========================



	






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Tim Juhl

Joined: 21 Mar 2006
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Location: "Thumb" of Michigan

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 4:40 pm Post subject: Re: Hand Riveter Heads

Send in the heads you got from menards.  I was not happy with the ones I tried to grind myself so finally had them do it.   Glad I did.



Tim

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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 5:16 pm Post subject: Hand Riveter Heads

See this video posted by ZAC on youtube:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FfdJPOM51A



(It's also posted, with better quality, on zenith.aero )

 

Carlos



2008/12/31 dalemed <dalemed(at)gmail.com (dalemed(at)gmail.com)>

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 Is Zenith Aircraft Company the only source for riveter heads that will form the A4 and A5 rivet heads properly?

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craig(at)craigandjean.com
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 5:25 pm Post subject: Hand Riveter Heads

There is also a section on making and testing riveter heads in the Zenith construction standards document in the builder’s area on the Zenith site. But it doesn’t add much to what has already been posted.  

   

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See this video posted by ZAC on youtube:

 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FfdJPOM51A

 

 (It's also posted, with better quality, on zenith.aero )

 

 Carlos    

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dalemed

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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 8:11 am Post subject: Re: Hand Riveter Heads

Thank you, everyone, for the information and guidance. I guess I'll make my own

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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 8:25 am Post subject: Hand Riveter Heads

Dale-

    Just a logical extension of the decision you made to build your own 

airplane, isn't it!!

                                                                             

    Bill

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