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woxofswa

Joined: 12 Aug 2008
Posts: 349
Location: AZ

Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 7:27 pm Post subject: Brake system questions.

A couple of questions for the brain trust.



I am about to begin the chapter on the brake system.



My first question concerns the pros/cons of a sealant whilst mating the connectors.  Van's says okay, but not necessary, and to never use teflon tape.  They say they don't use any sealant for the connections in their shop.

Any comments/advice appreciated.



My second question is wondering if anyone has any comment/experience in using the stainless steel braided lines versus the plastic tubing, for the actuators.  Anyone have experience with the www.nonstopaviation.com brake line kit?



Thanks in advance.

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Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Flew May 10 2014

coop85(at)cableone.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 8:41 pm Post subject: Brake system questions.

Myron,

    I have the nylon tubing going from the passenger brakes to the pilot

brakes per the plans.  It's absolutely appalling to many folks, but I've

never had a failure.  What it has done for me that is positive, is to

recognize a leak sooner than feeling squishy brakes.  I just noticed the

lack of red fluid in the line recently and had I used stainless lines the

first I would have noticed is when the brakes didn't work so well.  That is

very disconcerting with an airplane without a steerable nosewheel.  Overall

the stainless braided lines are probably the way to go, but just a thought

as you mull over what to do with your machine.



Marcus



Do not archive.



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Lenny Iszak

Joined: 23 Mar 2008
Posts: 270

Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 1:23 am Post subject: Re: Brake system questions.

Myron,



I got the braided stainless brake line kit from Bonaco Inc. It includes the blue fittings and the brake lines for the gear legs too. If I remember correctly the total cost was $160 + shipping. Couple of weeks before that I paid $120 for a single brake line for my Katana. Gotta love experimental airplanes...



If you search the archives you'll find a few posts about thread sealants. Using that information I decided to use teflon paste, making sure not to get it on the first thread.



Regards,

Lenny

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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
Guest

Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 5:44 am Post subject: Brake system questions.

Standard practice is to use something like Seal Lube on the pipe  

thread (tapered thread) fittings which lets you get them tighter with  

less torque while helping to seal the threads as well.  Flare fittings  

don't need sealant because they don't seal on the threads, but rather  

on the flared portion.



I have never used other than the plastic lines as the plans call for.   

As mentioned, it helps detect a leak and also greatly helps bleading  

them in the first place because you can see air in the lines as fluid  

pumps through them.



On the gear legs I have used the plans way and the Bonaco lines.   

IMHO, the solid lines will last longer if you keep them from chafing.   

The Bonaco lines have a rubber outer coating to b prevent chafing.



Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation

jesse(at)saintaviation.com

352-427-0285



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On Dec 26, 2008, at 10:27 PM, "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 A couple of questions for the brain trust.



 I am about to begin the chapter on the brake system.



 My first question concerns the pros/cons of a sealant whilst mating  

 the connectors.  Van's says okay, but not necessary, and to never  

 use teflon tape.  They say they don't use any sealant for the  

 connections in their shop.



 My second question is wondering if anyone has any comment/experience  

 in using the stainless steel braided lines versus the plastic  

 tubing, for the actuators.  Anyone have experience with the www.nonstopaviation.com 

  brake line kit?



 Thanks in advance.



 --------

 Myron Nelson

 Mesa, AZ

 Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress





 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 21303#221303

msausen

Joined: 25 Oct 2007
Posts: 559
Location: Appleton, WI USA

Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:11 pm Post subject: Brake system questions.

I'll second the vote for the Bonaco kit.  Back in May I paid $185 for them shipped and it came with new lines and fittings to replace the plastic lines.  They also came with lines to run down the gear legs to replace those hard lines.  They are SS Teflon lines with an anti chafe clear plastic sleeve.  I was really impressed with how small they were as I've seen others that were quite bulky.  Contact Brett for more info, brett(at)bonacoinc.com.  Great stuff and great people to work with.



Michael



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Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 5:29 am Post subject: Brake system questions.

I've been thinking of using these....  Does anyone have any experience

with them?



http://www.nonstopaviation.com/rv10-brake-lines-p-14588.html

Thanks,

Phil

 



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msausen

Joined: 25 Oct 2007
Posts: 559
Location: Appleton, WI USA

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:05 am Post subject: Brake system questions.

Take note that that one does NOT come with the AN fittings.  For those you will need:



http://www.nonstopaviation.com/rv10-brake-lines-p-14589.html



  Why not just go with the Bonaco lines which are less expensive ($20 less with shipping when I got them), and come with all the fittings, in addition to the lines to run down the legs, and a anti chafe sleeve on all the lines?  Not to mention Bonaco does lines for a living.  If you don't want the gear leg runs you can let Brett know and that will knock another $45 off the price.  I would also find out what the core of those lines are, I believe Bonaco's are Teflon.  If you don't get lines with an anti chafe on them, make sure you protect any locations that the brake lines touch.  Stainless braid will act like a hacksaw if it moves against another material.



Michael



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Deems Davis

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 925

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:56 am Post subject: Brake system questions.

Another little known fact is that Brett (Bonaco) has a variety of colors 

for the teflon sleves. I ordered black for the brake cylinders 

themselves. (They even have Hot Pink, to satisfy your wildest interior 

design plans!



Deems



RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:

[quote] 



 Take note that that one does NOT come with the AN fittings.  For those you will need:



 http://www.nonstopaviation.com/rv10-brake-lines-p-14589.html



   Why not just go with the Bonaco lines which are less expensive ($20 less with shipping when I got them), and come with all the fittings, in addition to the lines to run down the legs, and a anti chafe sleeve on all the lines?  Not to mention Bonaco does lines for a living.  If you don't want the gear leg runs you can let Brett know and that will knock another $45 off the price.  I would also find out what the core of those lines are, I believe Bonaco's are Teflon.  If you don't get lines with an anti chafe on them, make sure you protect any locations that the brake lines touch.  Stainless braid will act like a hacksaw if it moves against another material.



 Michael



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Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 8:50 am Post subject: Brake system questions.

Does anyone have a complete list of Bonaco part numbers for a full RV-10

installation???



 



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pascal(at)rv10builder.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:09 am Post subject: Brake system questions.

call Brett at Bonaco and he'll explain the current pricing for what you're 

looking for.

1-866-239-6442

www.bonacoinc.com



Pascal



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From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com>

Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 8:47 AM

To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: RE: Re: Brake system questions.



[quote] 



 Does anyone have a complete list of Bonaco part numbers for a full RV-10

 installation???



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ricksked(at)embarqmail.co
Guest

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:20 am Post subject: Brake system questions.

Call Brett....they have a complete kit with all the fittings for the .RV 10. Calling him is much better service and easier ordering



Rick Sked

40185

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Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:29 am Post subject: Brake system questions.

I got the info from Brett...  Here it is if others would like it.

=========================================

Phil,



 



Our brake line kit for the RV-10 consists of the following:



 



2psc     -3 Hose assemblies w/Clear (at) 42-1/2" OLV -3 St to -3 ST from Pilot to Passenger Pedals.



1 pcs    -3 Hose assemblies w/Clear (at) 18-1/4" OVL -3 St to -3 ST from Passenger to Brake Fluid Reservoir. 



1 pcs    -3 Hose assemblies w/Clear (at) 18-1/2" OVL -3 St to -3 90° from Passenger to Brake Fluid Reservoir. 



2 pcs    -3 Hose assemblies w/Clear (at) 19-1/8" OVL -3 St to -4 St Pilot to Fire Wall Bulkheads.



2 pcs    -3 Hose assemblies w/Clear (at) 31-1/2" OVL -3 (With -4 Nuts Each End) St to St  Gear Left and Right. 



8 psc     822-3D     1/8NPT Male to -3 Male 90° 



1 pc      826-3D   This will replace the stock plastic "T" at the brake fluid reservoir  



 



The P/N is RV10DBL, cost is $175.00 USD (taxes and shipping not included).



We also have lengths for fuel lines and can make your firewall forward lines to your specifications.



 



If you have any questions at all please feel free to give me a call.



 



Regards,



Brett



Bonaco, Inc.



1-909-608-1106



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woxofswa

Joined: 12 Aug 2008
Posts: 349
Location: AZ

Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:36 am Post subject: Re: Brake system questions.

Thanks to all for the help. 

I ordered a brake kit and fuel line kit from Brett. 

This forum is sure handy and quite expensive!

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Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Flew May 10 2014

ThisOne

Joined: 18 Jun 2008
Posts: 20
Location: High Desert, So Calif USA

Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 1:02 pm Post subject: Re: Brake system questions.

Just a fast note:



"Thank you all for the great comments on our lines."



Regards,

Brett

Bonaco, Inc.

ricksked(at)embarqmail.co
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 1:46 pm Post subject: Brake system questions.

Trust me...this group would knock your legs out if you didn't do such a great job!!  Now if I can only figure out a use for that little brake line you gave me at OSH!!!



Rick sked

40185

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n8zg(at)mchsi.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 2:24 pm Post subject: Brake system questions.

Attach it to a funnel and add beer.



neal

Now if I can only figure out a use for that little brake line you gave me at OSH!!!



Rick sked

40185

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msausen

Joined: 25 Oct 2007
Posts: 559
Location: Appleton, WI USA

Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:08 pm Post subject: Brake system questions.

It's a bit small.  Might need to change that to a shot glass and tequila.



Michael



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ricksked(at)embarqmail.co
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:36 pm Post subject: Brake system questions.

Neal,



I would expect that kind of answer from a fellow USAF brother...but you are giving away the fact you're an officer. With all due respect Sir, No NCO (like me) would ever let an officer use such a silly tiny beer bong as you suggest. I thought after all these years you college boys would have learned to support and take care of yourselves...but then when you drink you play that game of pool with no cues..what's it called??? Crud??



Rick Sked

40185

Fill, sand, repeat, fill, sand, repeat

Paint prep

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speckter(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:46 pm Post subject: Brake system questions.

I think it is Miller time!!!!



Gary Specketer



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ThisOne

Joined: 18 Jun 2008
Posts: 20
Location: High Desert, So Calif USA

Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:53 pm Post subject: Re: Brake system questions.

 	  ricksked(at)embarqmail.co wrote: 	
		  Neal,



I would expect that kind of answer from a fellow USAF brother...but you are giving away the fact you're an officer. With all due respect Sir, No NCO (like me) 



Rick Sked

40185

Fill, sand, repeat, fill, sand, repeat

Paint prep

do not archive

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Rick,

I wish I had known that you were on active duty....I give 10% off for those who are. 

And may I say "Thank You" for your duty.



Regards,

Brett

Bonaco, Inc.

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