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aviateer

Joined: 08 Aug 2008
Posts: 23

Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 10:48 am Post subject: Trailering a Kitfox

I trailered my Kitfox about 300 miles. When folded the wings back out, I noticed that from the flaperon vibrating on the horizontal stabilizer in the folded position, it wore the aerothane off clear to the fabric. Any suggestions on how to alleviate this in the future?

   

 Also, what about keeping the inside of the Kitfox dry while trailering? I had a tarp on it, but it still got wet in the cockpit as I trailered. And the tarp wore some of the paint as well.

  

  

 Thanks,

  

  

 Kirk

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clint_bazzill(at)hotmail.
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:20 am Post subject: Trailering a Kitfox

I keep my aircraft at home and trailer it to the airport all the time. I have a foam piece on each flaperon to keep it from rubbing.  Keep them in the wing lockers and use velcro to quick fasten it in place.  I use wing supports also.

  

 Clint Kitfox IV 1400 hours.

    



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From: aviateer(at)gmail.com

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Trailering a Kitfox

 I trailered my Kitfox about 300 miles. When folded the wings back out C I noticed that from the flaperon vibrating on the horizontal stabilizer in the folded position C it wore the aerothane off clear to the fabric. Any suggestions on how to alleviate this in the future?

  

 Also C what about keeping the inside of the Kitfox dry while trailering? I had a tarp on it C but it still got wet in the cockpit as I trailered. And the tarp wore some of the paint as well.

  

  

 Thanks C

  

  

 Kirk

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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:35 am Post subject: Re: Trailering a Kitfox

I trailered my Kitfox about 1200 miles from the Minneapolis, MN area to Corning, NY.  About 20 miles into the trip the first day I noticed that this was going to be a problem.  The rudder wanted to slap around on the flaperons.  I pulled into a K-Mart and boughth a $3 bath towel, and a roll of duct tape.  I taped the towel around the rudder, and it made a nice soft cussion between the rudder and flaperons.  It sayed on the full 1200 mile trip.  There was one small spot that was not covered, that I had to touch up the paint on.  It reduced the flapping of the rudder as well.



Not a pretty, nor permanent fix, but for the occasional trailering, it works fine.



Andrew



Kitfox II, 815TL, Rotax 582-C

Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:51 am Post subject: Trailering a Kitfox

Rubbing on the *horizontal stab*? Mine doesn't even come close. I got  

the trailer-towing pad from Skystar just before they went belly-up,  

but it doesn't protect the horizontal, just the vertical. Do you have  

the standoffs that keep the wing from going back too far? And do you  

have the wing support brackets that go from the front spar down to  

the lower fuselage bracket?

To keep it dry, you have to use plastic film and about a roll of duct  

tape! Well, maybe not a whole roll. A tarp won't do much good unless  

it is taped down everywhere. I think a tarp is too heavy, and when it  

gets to oscillating in the wind, it's gonna beat the crap out of the  

paint, but I guess you found that out.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062, 593hrs

Sensenich 62x46

flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition  

system;

also building a new pair of snow skis





On Dec 3, 2008, at 1:47 PM, Kitfoxkirk wrote:



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		   I trailered my Kitfox about 300 miles. When folded the wings back  

 out, I noticed that from the flaperon vibrating on the horizontal  

 stabilizer in the folded position, it wore the aerothane off clear  

 to the fabric. Any suggestions on how to alleviate this in the future?



 Also, what about keeping the inside of the Kitfox dry while  

 trailering? I had a tarp on it, but it still got wet in the cockpit  

 as I trailered. And the tarp wore some of the paint as well.

 Thanks,

 Kirk

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Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

msm_9949(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:56 am Post subject: Trailering a Kitfox

Kirk,

 

I use a piece of scrap carpet, about 10" wide, cut to slip over the vertical stab and sewn together fuzzy side in. I only tow about 6 miles to the airport and haven't really had any issues with wear on the horizontal stab. Can't think off-hand how that would even rub on the flapperons. Trailing edge of the elevator, maybe, but only if it's secured for travel in  full-up position.

 

As for water, even with an expensive custom made, padded cover there is always going to be some leakage IMO. Water under pressure will go anywhere pressure is lower, which generally, is precisely where you don't want it to go

matronics(at)bob.brennan.
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 12:08 pm Post subject: Trailering a Kitfox

Using the duct tape ONLY on the plastic film or tarp, never on the paint,

right Lynn? Duct tape and aerothane like to stick together, and stay

together. I found that out when I repainted my plane, and that was the

low-sticky painter's tape too.



A small tarp with eyelets and bungees wrapped around the belly works well

without leaving any marks, if you can find the right size/shape tarp.



I fold and trailer mine all the time - and I find a double-thick U-shaped

hunk of black Duct tape right where the flaperons rub (yes on the vertical

stabiliser) works as a permanent solution. I strap the wings together to

keep them tight, once wing-to-wing and once to the trailer for redundancy.

Since I trailer it backwards having a wing unfold at speed is my worst

nightmare!



Bob Brennan - N717GB 

1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox

Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop

Wrightsville Pa  

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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 12:46 pm Post subject: Trailering a Kitfox

Actually, I used duct tape right on the Poly-Fiber paint. I have had  

it pull some paint like when I tape over a bunch of air leaks getting  

the plane ready for winter, but very little. Of course, there is duct  

tape and there is duct tape....that stuff varies all over the place  

as far as quality goes, but yes, you should try to avoid taping right  

onto the paint if you can. The thing you gotta ask yourself is "do I  

feel lucky?" Well, do ya......ooops, sorry I got carried away.  

Whatever you do, DON'T use Gorilla Tape...that stuff is amazing, and  

sticks so good you will have Trouble getting it off the roll...and  

that's Trouble with a capital  "T" and that rhymes with "P" and that  

stands for.....damn, why can't I get those movies out of my head!? : )



Anyway, back to reality, you're probably better off laying the tape  

down sticky side out, around the fuselage, and then pressing the  

plastic film/tarp onto it. It might not be as good a seal, but you  

wouldn't pull any...or much...paint off.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062, 593hrs

Sensenich 62x46

flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition  

system;

also building a new pair of snow skis





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 Using the duct tape ONLY on the plastic film or tarp, never on the  

 paint,

 right Lynn? Duct tape and aerothane like to stick together, and stay

 together. I found that out when I repainted my plane, and that was the

 low-sticky painter's tape too.



 A small tarp with eyelets and bungees wrapped around the belly  

 works well

 without leaving any marks, if you can find the right size/shape tarp.



 I fold and trailer mine all the time - and I find a double-thick U- 

 shaped

 hunk of black Duct tape right where the flaperons rub (yes on the  

 vertical

 stabiliser) works as a permanent solution. I strap the wings  

 together to

 keep them tight, once wing-to-wing and once to the trailer for  

 redundancy.

 Since I trailer it backwards having a wing unfold at speed is my worst

 nightmare!



 Bob Brennan - N717GB

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Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

jdmcbean(at)kitfoxaircraf
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 12:50 pm Post subject: Trailering a Kitfox

Kirk,  

                We have a Tow package that includes the tail pad and wing support braces for the leading edge.  Wing hold backs if needed are also available.  

Fly Safe !!

 John & Debra McBean

 Ph 208.337.5111

 www.kitfoxaircraft.com 

 "The Sky is not the Limit...  It's a Playground"     

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I trailered my Kitfox about 300 miles. When folded the wings back out, I noticed that from the flaperon vibrating on the horizontal stabilizer in the folded position, it wore the aerothane off clear to the fabric. Any suggestions on how to alleviate this in the future?  

    

   

    

Also, what about keeping the inside of the Kitfox dry while trailering? I had a tarp on it, but it still got wet in the cockpit as I trailered. And the tarp wore some of the paint as well.  

    

   

    

   

    

Thanks,  

    

   

    

   

    

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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 5:32 pm Post subject: Re: Trailering a Kitfox

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		  I noticed that from the flaperon vibrating on the horizontal stabilizer in the folded position, it wore the aerothane off clear to the fabric. Any suggestions on how to alleviate this in the future? 	




Kirk, is it a speedster?  They have little or no wing dihedral.  That can cause the flaperons to be close or touch the horizontal stab.  If you have the electric trim, be sure to trim nose up (leading edge of horizontal stab down) before swinging the wings back.

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Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA

vetdrem

Joined: 20 Nov 2007
Posts: 62

Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject: Re: Trailering a Kitfox

I bought a foam "noodle" that is normally used in a swimming pool, cut it in half, making 2 pieces about 3' long.  Then I cut a slit lengthwise in each piece.  when the wings are folded aft, the trailing edge of the flapperons are up, and I just slip the foam over the trailing edge where they would contact the rudder/vert stab.  Velcro is used to hold the wings together.



I also discovered the need for this after my first 20 mile trip.  Since then I have trailered mine for thousands of miles.  I did make a support for the front spar, I drain the fuel, and I have the rods that attach the wings to tail.



Louie



Model 3 912ul

rudderdancer

Joined: 28 Aug 2006
Posts: 27
Location: Victorville, CA

Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 8:04 pm Post subject: Re: Trailering a Kitfox

Kirk,



Like Louie said, I too use the swimming noodles, wal-mart etc., slit in half.  But I the whole length on each wing held onto the flaperons with small bungies.  I use a smaller piece of noodle on the trailing edge of the rudder.  I haven't gotten around to using something like the noodles on the gust locks for the horizontal and elevator.  When the noodles all come together when the wings are folded, it tends to limit any flapping.  Also like others have said it's best to use the supports for the front spar and the standoffs.  Good luck with the weatherproofing.



Jack

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Kitfox II, 582, Tundra Tires,
jhenryhall@mac.com

kitfoxfugit(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:00 pm Post subject: Trailering a Kitfox

Kitfoxkirk <aviateer(at)gmail.com> asks:



"I trailered my Kitfox about 300 miles. When folded the wings back out, I

noticed that from the flaperon vibrating on the horizontal stabilizer in the

folded position, it wore the aerothane off clear to the fabric. Any

suggestions on how to alleviate this in the future?"



Mine is a Speedster that came with a Skystar factory trailer and brackets.  The trailer is single axle with springs and a large toolbox.  Two brackets go from each front spar to the landing gear brackets.  Two go from each rear strut to the horizontal stabilizer.  These secure and support the wings.



I tie the outer flaperon weights together with a bungee.  This keeps the flaperons immobile and  clear of the horizontal stabilizer.  I leave the stick forward, elevators down.  I put foam pipe wrap over the rudder and secure it to the wing brackets with bungees, so that the rudder is turned fully to one side.



The tail is supported by a bracket that holds the aircraft on also.  So do the ramps, and a motorcycle tie on each landing gear.  I only tow it a few miles, but could go indefinitely like that, as everything is secure and nothing moves.



I have never covered the top, but would explore a cover held on with bungees with pads under grommets and hooks, angled out, or tied on with cloth or ropes, using bungees from each tie or rope to the landing gear brackets or trailer as a tensioner to keep the rope or cloth tie tight to avoid flapping.



JA KF IV Speedster

WurlyBird

Joined: 16 May 2008
Posts: 207
Location: North Pole, Alaska

Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 6:29 am Post subject: Re: Trailering a Kitfox

Here is another question that seems to be on topic here, and important to me since I am going to have to trailer my Kitfox from Orlando to Nashville.  



How have you all been handling the tail control surfaces in tow?  Do you just allow them full deflection to one side and let the wind (or a bungee) hold it in place?  Can this cause any warping to the control surfaces or damage to the stops?  What are the max towing speeds you have happily used with no issues?



I was considering making a rudder-lock like we used on gliders, out of wood bracing and some sort of padding.  Basically it will end up being a slotted piece of wood that fits over the top of the rudder and V-stab.  Any thoughts on this idea?



I have gotten a lot of good ideas of how to set the plane up for her tow home from this thread already, I just need a few more.  Thanks.

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Kitfox 3 / 582 / 70" IVO 2 blade GA
50 hrs on the 582 swapping for HKS 700E and Avid Cowl.

matronics(at)bob.brennan.
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 6:43 am Post subject: Trailering a Kitfox

These questions are best answered if you give us a bit more information

James (I assume is your name?). I trailer my Model 2 all the time on a car

trailer and also have the original Denney-supplied tow kit. As I understand

from posts on this list different models have very different towing

requirements.



To start you off I have attached a picture of my KFII tail section ready for

the road, speeds up to 50 mph but that is a self-imposed limit and I don't

have far to go.



Bob Brennan - N717GB

ELSA Repairman, inspection rated

1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox

Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop

Wrightsville Pa 



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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 7:13 am Post subject: Trailering a Kitfox

WurlyBird,

I purchased a damaged Kitfox in Indiana and towed it to Upper Michigan,

about 500 miles. I opted to remove the wings and wrap them in blankets and

lay them under the fuselage, they already had some damage and I was not

worried about scuffing the finish, Flaperons were also removed from the

wings. If you decide to fold and transport the outboard end of the wings

will need to be supported, there are also hold back brackets that were

supplied with some kits that attach the outboard strut area of the wings to

the vertical tail area. You will want to be aware of the weight on the tail

wheel in the folded position and decide how to address. A rudder lock as you

described is a good idea and I believe many on this list have used them for

transport. I believe a couple thin boards with padding and a couple bolt is

all that is required. I towed on an open trailer, aircraft facing forward

and towed at speeds up to 75 mph. I secured at the main gear (Grove) and the

tail wheel. There has been allot of discussion about towing on the tail

wheel with the wings folded because it adds allot of weight there and, I did

not have that problem, perhaps other can give you there experience on that

topic. Took me 5 hours with 2 helpers to drain all the fuel, remove the

wings and flaperons, load and secure.



Lloyd



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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 7:15 am Post subject: Trailering a Kitfox

James,

  

 I trailer my Model 2 every time I fly. Though it's only about 5 miles to the airport, I've towed routinely at 60mph with no issues. Rudder deflection is not a problem, held in place as it is by a carpet pad protecting the rudder and v-stab from the folded wings and flaperons. I stabillize the elevator in up position with a bungie holding the stick full-back.  Wings are supported forward and aft by towing braces. 

  

 Mud flaps are, obviously, essential on towing vehicle. With an open trailer, you will still likely have infequent damage from stones thrown by passing vehicles. Keep your roll of 100mph tape handy. Tail-first, tail-elevated trailering is recommended for open trailer towing. Closed trailers are nice but can cost  near as much as your airplane.

  

 Finally, be sure to unload the tail spring. The tail is very heavy with the wings back, especially if you haven't de-fueled after flight (I always do). Install a brace to transfer the weight of the heavy tail to the trailer frame. This will spare the tw spring from the extreme wear it will otherwise experience during transport. I'm sure this factor has contributed to at least some of those broken tail springs that have been reported.

  

 IMHO, the Fox's trailering capability is one of it's finest qualities.



 Marco Menezes N99KX

 Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch

 

--- On Sat, 1/3/09, WurlyBird <james.t.trizzino(at)us.army.mil> wrote:



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		  From: WurlyBird <james.t.trizzino(at)us.army.mil>

Subject: Re: Trailering a Kitfox

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 9:29 AM



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<james.t.trizzino(at)us.army.mil>



Here is another question that seems to be on topic here, and important to me

since I am going to have to trailer my Kitfox from Orlando to Nashville.  



How have you all been handling the tail control surfaces in tow?  Do you just

allow them full deflection to one side and let the wind (or a bungee) hold it in

place?  Can this cause any warping to the control surfaces or damage to the

stops?  What are the max towing speeds you have happily used with no issues?



I was considering making a rudder-lock like we used on gliders, out of wood

bracing and some sort of padding.  Basically it will end up being a slotted

piece of wood that fits over the top of the rudder and V-stab.  Any thoughts on

this idea?



I have gotten a lot of good ideas of how to set the plane up for her tow home

from this thread already, I just need a few more.  Thanks.



--------

Prospective Kitfox buyer

Here for information on airframes and engines





Read this topic online here:



http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 22547#222547





	
	


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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 7:29 am Post subject: Trailering a Kitfox

WurlyBird wrote:

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 Here is another question that seems to be on topic here, and important to me since I am going to have to trailer my Kitfox from Orlando to Nashville.  



 How have you all been handling the tail control surfaces in tow?  Do you just allow them full deflection to one side and let the wind (or a bungee) hold it in place?  Can this cause any warping to the control surfaces or damage to the stops?  What are the max towing speeds you have happily used with no issues?



 I was considering making a rudder-lock like we used on gliders, out of wood bracing and some sort of padding.  Basically it will end up being a slotted piece of wood that fits over the top of the rudder and V-stab.  Any thoughts on this idea?



 I have gotten a lot of good ideas of how to set the plane up for her tow home from this thread already, I just need a few more.  Thanks.



 --------

 Prospective Kitfox buyer

 Here for information on airframes and engines





 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 22547#222547



   

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This is what I have done..and found out to do..I had made..Braces out of 
	


wood.1X4 in.and used a sleeping bag pad.cut it.and glued it in to 

place.I had made 2 for the stab.,1 for each side.and 2 for rudder..I tow 

my KF backwards .on trailer.and I all so tie down tail wheel real good 

so it does not move at all..all so winch strap,at wing tie downs,to 

trailer.but not real tight...that helps stop wind at hi way speeds from 

lifting up wings.I can tow my KF at 50-60mph with no problems..but you 

do not want to tow on windy days.I had built a custom trailer to haul 

airplanes that I sell..I have a trailer company that builds them for 

me.and then I sell them..the largest plane that I have hauled on it was 

a Cessna 170.right down the inter state..you just want to make sure.to 

tie the tail down tight.so it does not move around on you.all so 

rudder+stab.or if you do not..the trailer will move from side to side..I 

have hauled airplanes from way out west to Ohio.like this with no 

problems..C120-140-170-172 tri pacers etc.I all so rent my trailers 

out..Steve Shinabery N554KF

djwild2(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 7:32 am Post subject: Trailering a Kitfox

I transported my model 1 from NY to Kansas on a flatbed. tied the tires 

down. Put foam between the rudder and wing. I put a couple extra rope tie 

downs to hold the wings together. I also put on trailer engine in the front. 

I didn't read about supporting the tail wheel till I got home so I forgot to 

do that, but my tail spring held up ok so I guess I got lucky there. I drove 

65 on interstate 4 lane the whole way. 23 hour drive. I checked every rope 

at every gas stop and did have to adjust it a few times.

Dan Wild

Model 1

532



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From: "WurlyBird" <james.t.trizzino(at)us.army.mil>

Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:29 AM

To: <kitfox-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: Trailering a Kitfox




<james.t.trizzino(at)us.army.mil>



Here is another question that seems to be on topic here, and important to me 

since I am going to have to trailer my Kitfox from Orlando to Nashville.



How have you all been handling the tail control surfaces in tow?  Do you 

just allow them full deflection to one side and let the wind (or a bungee) 

hold it in place?  Can this cause any warping to the control surfaces or 

damage to the stops?  What are the max towing speeds you have happily used 

with no issues?



I was considering making a rudder-lock like we used on gliders, out of wood 

bracing and some sort of padding.  Basically it will end up being a slotted 

piece of wood that fits over the top of the rudder and V-stab.  Any thoughts 

on this idea?



I have gotten a lot of good ideas of how to set the plane up for her tow 

home from this thread already, I just need a few more.  Thanks.



--------

Prospective Kitfox buyer

Here for information on airframes and engines





Read this topic online here:



http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 22547#222547

aerobatics(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 7:39 am Post subject: Trailering a Kitfox

I have a fully enclosed trailer  insulated with ramp  electric winch 

with  remot...  interior lights alarm  etc that needs some work for 

sale if that helps...

planecrazy2020(at)gmail.c
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:21 am Post subject: Trailering a Kitfox

James,



The first photo shows the tail wheel support and the second shows the front spar brace that you will need.  By the way this is not my aircraft.



David

KF II, HKS

 On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 8:29 AM, WurlyBird <james.t.trizzino(at)us.army.mil (james.t.trizzino(at)us.army.mil)> wrote:

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 Here is another question that seems to be on topic here, and important to me since I am going to have to trailer my Kitfox from Orlando to Nashville.

 

 How have you all been handling the tail control surfaces in tow?  Do you just allow them full deflection to one side and let the wind (or a bungee) hold it in place?  Can this cause any warping to the control surfaces or damage to the stops?  What are the max towing speeds you have happily used with no issues?

  

 I was considering making a rudder-lock like we used on gliders, out of wood bracing and some sort of padding.  Basically it will end up being a slotted piece of wood that fits over the top of the rudder and V-stab.  Any thoughts on this idea?

  

 I have gotten a lot of good ideas of how to set the plane up for her tow home from this thread already, I just need a few more.  Thanks.

 

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