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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:55 pm Post subject: Greasing bolts and fittings |
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Grease is great stuff. It lubricates and protects from oxidation, provided you protect the grease from contamination by dirt and grit. If that protection isn't provided the dirt and grit combines with the grease to make a rudimentary grinding compound. Think about it, where have you seen grease used that a barrier of some kind hasn't been provided to keep the dirt and grit from contaminating it? If you provide that barrier, great, grease away. If the fitting or bolt can't be sealed, think seriously before you add grease to it. If you have a fitting where you believe wear is a problem change your maintenance schedule to give that item more attention and catch the wear before it gets out of hand, but don't compound the problem by adding grease to an unsealed area. My 2 cents, you opinion may differ.
Rick
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:03 pm Post subject: Greasing bolts and fittings |
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Rick
Looking at an old Aeronica Chief that my buds just bought...I can
see that the rudder and elevator cables have been dressed with
something like a hard wax. It would be less likely to mix with dirt
and sand imho? End to end...Have no idea what it could be... ? Herb
At 02:47 PM 1/27/2009, you wrote:
Quote: | Grease is great stuff. It lubricates and protects from oxidation,
provided you protect the grease from contamination by dirt and grit.
If that protection isn't provided the dirt and grit combines with
the grease to make a rudimentary grinding compound. Think about it,
where have you seen grease used that a barrier of some kind hasn't
been provided to keep the dirt and grit from contaminating it? If
you provide that barrier, great, grease away. If the fitting or bolt
can't be sealed, think seriously before you add grease to it. If you
have a fitting where you believe wear is a problem change your
maintenance schedule to give that item more attention and catch the
wear before it gets out of hand, but don't compound the problem by
adding grease to an unsealed area.
My 2 cents, you opinion may differ.
Rick
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aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com Guest
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:40 pm Post subject: Greasing bolts and fittings |
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Herb, Probably bees wax over light oil. You can do the same with LPS 3 (cosmoline in a can).
Rick
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On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 3:56 PM, herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com (herbgh(at)nctc.com)> wrote:
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Rick
Looking at an old Aeronica Chief that my buds just bought...I can see that the rudder and elevator cables have been dressed with something like a hard wax. It would be less likely to mix with dirt and sand imho? End to end...Have no idea what it could be... ? Herb
At 02:47 PM 1/27/2009, you wrote:
Quote: | Grease is great stuff. It lubricates and protects from oxidation, provided you protect the grease from contamination by dirt and grit. If that protection isn't provided the dirt and grit combines with the grease to make a rudimentary grinding compound. Think about it, where have you seen grease used that a barrier of some kind hasn't been provided to keep the dirt and grit from contaminating it? If you provide that barrier, great, grease away. If the fitting or bolt can't be sealed, think seriously before you add grease to it. If you have a fitting where you believe wear is a problem change your maintenance schedule to give that item more attention and catch the wear before it gets out of hand, but don't compound the problem by adding grease to an unsealed area.
My 2 cents, you opinion may differ.
Rick
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:25 pm Post subject: Greasing bolts and fittings |
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Interesting...I have 5 gals of LPS3... Using it to preserve cams and cranks...Herb
At 04:28 PM 1/27/2009, you wrote:
[quote]Herb, Probably bees wax over light oil. You can do the same with LPS 3 (cosmoline in a can).
Rick
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On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 3:56 PM, herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com (herbgh(at)nctc.com)> wrote:
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Rick
Looking at an old Aeronica Chief that my buds just bought...I can see that the rudder and elevator cables have been dressed with something like a hard wax. It would be less likely to mix with dirt and sand imho? End to end...Have no idea what it could be... ? Herb
At 02:47 PM 1/27/2009, you wrote:
Grease is great stuff. It lubricates and protects from oxidation, provided you protect the grease from contamination by dirt and grit. If that protection isn't provided the dirt and grit combines with the grease to make a rudimentary grinding compound. Think about it, where have you seen grease used that a barrier of some kind hasn't been provided to keep the dirt and grit from contaminating it? If you provide that barrier, great, grease away. If the fitting or bolt can't be sealed, think seriously before you add grease to it. If you have a fitting where you believe wear is a problem change your maintenance schedule to give that item more attention and catch the wear before it gets out of hand, but don't compound the problem by adding grease to an unsealed area.
My 2 cents, you opinion may differ.
Rick
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:22 pm Post subject: Greasing bolts and fittings |
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Herb, how old IS that aeronca? The only ones I've seen are threaded
rod.
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On 27, Jan 2009, at 4:56 PM, herb wrote:
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Rick
Looking at an old Aeronica Chief that my buds just bought...I can
see that the rudder and elevator cables have been dressed with
something like a hard wax. It would be less likely to mix with dirt
and sand imho? End to end...Have no idea what it could be... ?
Herb
At 02:47 PM 1/27/2009, you wrote:
> Grease is great stuff. It lubricates and protects from oxidation,
> provided you protect the grease from contamination by dirt and
> grit. If that protection isn't provided the dirt and grit combines
> with the grease to make a rudimentary grinding compound. Think
> about it, where have you seen grease used that a barrier of some
> kind hasn't been provided to keep the dirt and grit from
> contaminating it? If you provide that barrier, great, grease away.
> If the fitting or bolt can't be sealed, think seriously before you
> add grease to it. If you have a fitting where you believe wear is
> a problem change your maintenance schedule to give that item more
> attention and catch the wear before it gets out of hand, but don't
> compound the problem by adding grease to an unsealed area.
> My 2 cents, you opinion may differ.
>
> Rick
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:18 am Post subject: Re: Greasing bolts and fittings |
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Grease is great stuff. It lubricates and protects from oxidation, provided you protect the grease from contamination by dirt and grit. If that protection isn't provided the dirt and grit combines with the grease to make a rudimentary grinding compound.
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Rick,
You are correct, dirt and grit are not a good thing in grease, but hard metal to metal contact is even worse. My controls feel like they are mounted on bearings, and I have had no wear on the bolts, cable thimbles, or any other greased part in 200 hours. In many places, its either allow hard metal to metal contact, or grease it. The grease wins, in both operation and reduced wear, and preventing corrosion. Its not perfect, and I'm sure it attracts a bit of dirt, but its far better than hard metal to metal wear.
Mike
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 5:02 pm Post subject: Greasing bolts and fittings |
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Mike, the choice is not grease or nothing. We are blessed with a host of light oils and dry lubricants that can do the job. They are thin enough that they wash out the joint upon reapplication.
Rick
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> Grease is great stuff. It lubricates and protects from oxidation, provided you protect the grease from contamination by dirt and grit. If that protection isn't provided the dirt and grit combines with the grease to make a rudimentary grinding compound.
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Rick,
You are correct, dirt and grit are not a good thing in grease, but hard metal to metal contact is even worse. My controls feel like they are mounted on bearings, and I have had no wear on the bolts, cable thimbles, or any other greased part in 200 hours. In many places, its either allow hard metal to metal contact, or grease it. The grease wins, in both operation and reduced wear, and preventing corrosion. Its not perfect, and I'm sure it attracts a bit of dirt, but its far better than hard metal to metal wear.
Mike
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 1:32 pm Post subject: Re: Greasing bolts and fittings |
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aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com wrote: | Mike, the choice is not grease or nothing. We are blessed with a host of light oils and dry lubricants that can do the job. They are thin enough that they wash out the joint upon reapplication.
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There was talk about a dry type bicycle grease for hinges in a thread not to long ago, I intend to buy some and try it on my hinges. It may be an even better option than grease in some places. I am going to try it on my hinges first and go from there if I like it.
Mike
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