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dlm46007(at)cox.net
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:52 pm Post subject: heads up

When carrying four  adults, be aware that one front seater should remain seated while back  seaters deplane. While I stood on the wing this morning, the right seat  passenger decided to deplane and stepped on the rear dismount while the rear  passengers remain seated. The aircraft tilted to the rear and struck the bottom  rudder fairing. Fortunately the damage seems limited to the bottom rudder  fairing which will be replaced. Unfortunately I have not added the additional  firewall avionics battery which probably would have eliminated this  incident..

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billderou(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:52 am Post subject: heads up

This is why we always have the tail tie-down ring installed.

  

 Bill DeRouchey

 N939SB

 



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		  From: David McNeill <dlm46007(at)cox.net>

Subject: heads up

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 12:39 PM



  When carrying four adults, be aware that one front seater should remain seated while back seaters deplane. While I stood on the wing this morning, the right seat passenger decided to deplane and stepped on the rear dismount while the rear passengers remain seated. The aircraft tilted to the rear and struck the bottom rudder fairing. Fortunately the damage seems limited to the bottom rudder fairing which will be replaced. Unfortunately I have not added the additional firewall avionics battery which probably would have eliminated this incident..

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Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 11:58 am Post subject: heads up

Scott Schmitt has the same thing happen to him.   

  

 We need a kickstand.  



   From: Bill DeRouchey  [mailto:billderou(at)yahoo.com] 

Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 10:32  AM

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: heads  up

 

                   This is why we always have the tail tie-down ring installed.

        

       Bill DeRouchey

       N939SB

       



--- On Thu, 1/29/09, David McNeill        <dlm46007(at)cox.net> wrote:



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		  From:          David McNeill <dlm46007(at)cox.net>

Subject: heads          up

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009,          12:39 PM



                  When          carrying four adults, be aware that one front seater should remain          seated while back seaters deplane. While I stood on the wing this          morning, the right seat passenger decided to deplane and stepped on the          rear dismount while the rear passengers remain seated. The aircraft          tilted to the rear and struck the bottom rudder fairing. Fortunately the          damage seems limited to the bottom rudder fairing which will be          replaced. Unfortunately I have not added the additional firewall          avionics battery which probably would have eliminated this          incident..

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scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.co
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 1:27 pm Post subject: heads up

This has happened to many of us early on and was posted multiple times but it is good to repeat from time to time as it is sometimes difficult to read all the posts. 

My standard for loading is one person in back, one in front, then the second in back and finally the pilot. 

The issue arises when you have two in back and two people step up at the same time.  That is like having two guys in the baggage compartment and two in the back seats. 

I also de-plane the same way.  Also keep your tie-down in at all times.  I have had it tip one other time but it just hit the tie down ring like previously mentioned. 

 



Scott Schmidtscottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com



From: Bill DeRouchey <billderou(at)yahoo.com>

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 9:32:03 AM

Subject: Re: heads up



 This is why we always have the tail tie-down ring installed.

  

 Bill DeRouchey

 N939SB

 



--- On Thu, 1/29/09, David McNeill <dlm46007(at)cox.net> wrote:



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		  From: David McNeill <dlm46007(at)cox.net>

Subject: heads up

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 12:39 PM



  When carrying four adults, be aware that one front seater should remain seated while back seaters deplane. While I stood on the wing this morning, the right seat passenger decided to deplane and stepped on the rear dismount while the rear passengers remain seated. The aircraft tilted to the rear and struck the bottom rudder fairing. Fortunately the damage seems limited to the bottom rudder fairing which will be replaced. Unfortunately I have not added the additional firewall avionics battery which probably would have eliminated this incident..

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2879

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 2:57 pm Post subject: heads up

It's actually really old news, going back all the way to the beginning

of customer built RV-10's flying.  There are at least maybe 8 or 10

that I know of that cracked their rudder fairings by doing this.

Just don't put two people on the steps at the same time, or don't

load the plane and put two passengers in the rear seats and then

go bounding on to the steps and you should be ok.  But it does

take some remembering to be careful.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying



Perry, Phil wrote:

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		   Scott Schmitt has the same thing happen to him. 

  

 We need a kickstand.  

 

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 *From:* Bill DeRouchey [mailto:billderou(at)yahoo.com]

 *Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2009 10:32 AM

 *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 *Subject:* Re: heads up

 

 This is why we always have the tail tie-down ring installed.

  

 Bill DeRouchey

 N939SB

 

 

 --- On *Thu, 1/29/09, David McNeill /<dlm46007(at)cox.net>/* wrote:

 

     From: David McNeill <dlm46007(at)cox.net>

     Subject: heads up

     To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

     Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 12:39 PM

 

     When carrying four adults, be aware that one front seater should

     remain seated while back seaters deplane. While I stood on the wing

     this morning, the right seat passenger decided to deplane and

     stepped on the rear dismount while the rear passengers remain

     seated. The aircraft tilted to the rear and struck the bottom rudder

     fairing. Fortunately the damage seems limited to the bottom rudder

     fairing which will be replaced. Unfortunately I have not added the

     additional firewall avionics battery which probably would have

     eliminated this incident..

ricksked(at)embarqmail.co
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 4:44 pm Post subject: heads up

If you leave the tail tiedown loop in does it stop the fairing from hitting?

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Kellym

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1705
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:19 pm Post subject: heads up

Well, some transport aircraft have retractable tail skids, more to 

prevent a hit from over-rotation. Wouldn't be surprised if a DC8-62 

needed something, given how long it is.



Perry, Phil wrote:

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		   Scott Schmitt has the same thing happen to him. 

  

 We need a kickstand.  



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 *From:* Bill DeRouchey [mailto:billderou(at)yahoo.com]

 *Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2009 10:32 AM

 *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 *Subject:* Re: heads up



 This is why we always have the tail tie-down ring installed.

  

 Bill DeRouchey

 N939SB

 --- On *Thu, 1/29/09, David McNeill /<dlm46007(at)cox.net>/* wrote:



     From: David McNeill <dlm46007(at)cox.net>

     Subject: heads up

     To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

     Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 12:39 PM



     When carrying four adults, be aware that one front seater should

     remain seated while back seaters deplane. While I stood on the

     wing this morning, the right seat passenger decided to deplane and

     stepped on the rear dismount while the rear passengers remain

     seated. The aircraft tilted to the rear and struck the bottom

     rudder fairing. Fortunately the damage seems limited to the bottom

     rudder fairing which will be replaced. Unfortunately I have not

     added the additional firewall avionics battery which probably

     would have eliminated this incident..



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dlm46007(at)cox.net
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:45 pm Post subject: heads up

we used to fly a 747 combi DHA-AMS-IAH. Always at the AMS  refueling, the announcement was made to remain seated until the tail stand was  installed



   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry,  Phil

Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 12:26 PM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: heads  up

 

 Scott Schmitt has the same thing happen to him.   

  

 We need a kickstand.  



   From: Bill DeRouchey  [mailto:billderou(at)yahoo.com] 

Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 10:32  AM

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: heads  up

 

                   This is why we always have the tail tie-down ring installed.

        

       Bill DeRouchey

       N939SB

       



--- On Thu, 1/29/09, David McNeill        <dlm46007(at)cox.net> wrote:



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		  From:          David McNeill <dlm46007(at)cox.net>

Subject: heads          up

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009,          12:39 PM



                  When          carrying four adults, be aware that one front seater should remain          seated while back seaters deplane. While I stood on the wing this          morning, the right seat passenger decided to deplane and stepped on the          rear dismount while the rear passengers remain seated. The aircraft          tilted to the rear and struck the bottom rudder fairing. Fortunately the          damage seems limited to the bottom rudder fairing which will be          replaced. Unfortunately I have not added the additional firewall          avionics battery which probably would have eliminated this          incident..

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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:23 pm Post subject: heads up

This can also happen when loaded at the aft CG and burning off a lot of your fuel, then taxiing across uneven ground (ie. parking fields at Oshkosh).  Note that even a tie-down ring won't save your rudder bottom fairing when on grass.  When loading near gross, we always load baggage, then load copilot seat, then rear seats, then pilot last.  I've never seen it hit the tail with someone in the front seat.  We also make it a rule not to ever use both steps at the same time as already mentioned.



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Saint Aviation, Inc.

jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)

Cell: 352-427-0285

Fax: 815-377-3694



 



On Jan 30, 2009, at 4:07 PM, Scott Schmidt wrote:

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		  This has happened to many of us early on and was posted multiple times but it is good to repeat from time to time as it is sometimes difficult to read all the posts.

My standard for loading is one person in back, one in front, then the second in back and finally the pilot. 

The issue arises when you have two in back and two people step up at the same time.  That is like having two guys in the baggage compartment and two in the back seats. 

I also de-plane the same way.  Also keep your tie-down in at all times.  I have had it tip one other time but it just hit the tie down ring like previously mentioned. 

 



Scott Schmidtscottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com (scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com)



From: Bill DeRouchey <billderou(at)yahoo.com (billderou(at)yahoo.com)>

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)

Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 9:32:03 AM

Subject: Re: heads up



This is why we always have the tail tie-down ring installed.

 

Bill DeRouchey

N939SB

--- On Thu, 1/29/09, David McNeill <dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)> wrote:



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		  From: David McNeill <dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)>

Subject: heads up

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)

Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 12:39 PM



When carrying four adults, be aware that one front seater should remain seated while back seaters deplane. While I stood on the wing this morning, the right seat passenger decided to deplane and stepped on the rear dismount while the rear passengers remain seated. The aircraft tilted to the rear and struck the bottom rudder fairing. Fortunately the damage seems limited to the bottom rudder fairing which will be replaced. Unfortunately I have not added the additional firewall avionics battery which probably would have eliminated this incident..

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daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:05 pm Post subject: heads up

After having read about this before, I will  probably mount a small piece of spring steel in the shape of a "U" at the tie  down point using the tie down ring to hold it in place.  Haven't decided  where to get the spring steel yet, but that's my thought.

  

 Dave Leikam

RV-10 #40496

N89DA  (Reserved)

Muskego, WI



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Kelly McMullen

Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 1188
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:08 am Post subject: heads up

You can see that setup on many a Cessna, combo tail skid and tiedown

ring. Heck, even my Mooney has a tail skid. Helps when pilot gets

confused and tries to land it like a taildragger. 



On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Dave Leikam <daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com> wrote:

[quote] After having read about this before, I will probably mount a small piece of

 spring steel in the shape of a "U" at the tie down point using the tie down

 ring to hold it in place.  Haven't decided where to get the spring steel

 yet, but that's my thought.



 Dave Leikam

 RV-10 #40496

 N89DA (Reserved)

 Muskego, WI



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