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akflyer

Joined: 07 May 2007
Posts: 574
Location: Soldotna AK

Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:23 am Post subject: Getting a replacement airworthiness

Hey guys,



As you know I rebuilt a wrecked avid.  I only had a copy of the airworthiness and not the original.  The AI buddy that looked the plane over wont sign it off till I get an "original".  This has been going on since November.  Normally he said it was no big deal as he has gone through this before, he just filled out a form, faxed it in and magically the new airworthiness appears in the mail in a few weeks... 



This time, they (FAA FSDO)  have lost the fax 3 times.  The FSDO has now decided that they need to send an inspector down to look it over before issuing a new one.  Fine, come on down and look.  Well they have canceled twice now (today being the second time).  I told them I was not going to be held hostage and was going to continue to fly the plane anyway....



Have any of you guys been through this with the FAA just trying to get a replacement AW cert?

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JetPilot

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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:42 am Post subject: Re: Getting a replacement airworthiness

Leonard,



What was the damage to the Avid that your rebuilt ?  Would you say rebuilding a wrecked plane took longer / was harder than building a new plane ?



Mike

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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:26 pm Post subject: Getting a replacement airworthiness

It took six months to get a registration number for my imported UK Kitfox,

with minor obstacles; four months to get an AW Certificate with FAA-imposed

obstacles but it was expedited by a DAR who got $900 for his trouble; and I

just got my Repairman's Certificate after three months "processing" with

absolutely no obstacles at all. Even the FSDO said "expect to have to call

and ask when it will be done months from now".



Understaffed, underfunded, self-imposed problems, who knows - but the FAA is

definitely something you can't take for granted anymore, or expect anything

to go smoothly. Just my opinion of course, based on recent personal

experience.



You also might want to read "Disturbing incident with FAA" over on the Avid

forum at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/avid_flyer/message/21504 about

someone trying to replace a medical certificate that was in a lost wallet.



Bob Brennan - N717GB

ELSA Repairman, inspection rated

1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox

Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop

Wrightsville Pa  



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akflyer

Joined: 07 May 2007
Posts: 574
Location: Soldotna AK

Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:13 am Post subject: Re: Getting a replacement airworthiness

 	  JetPilot wrote: 	
		  Leonard,



What was the damage to the Avid that your rebuilt ?  Would you say rebuilding a wrecked plane took longer / was harder than building a new plane ?



Mike 	




She was a basket case... I could have built the new kit faster than the repairs.. 



The good news is , I finally got the FAA inspector to come down and look at the plane.  He stated that the reason he wanted to look at the plane was to determine it was the same one that had been wrecked.  It has been common practice to swap data plates from wrecked planes to another to make a flying aircraft... this is not really legal and they are trying to crack down on it.  Once I had the inspector in the garage he only spent about 20 minutes there, flipped through the book I put together showing all the photos from how I found the plane to the finished product.  He said the documentation was outstanding, glanced over the plane for about 3 minutes then handed me the new airworthiness.  He asked if i had flown the plane yet.... well the picture on the front of the book he had in his hand, was me staning in from of the plane out on the lake.  I did what every good person should do at that point.... lied like a mofo.  I said, "no sir, I have not flown the plane, I have just done an extended break in on the engine for the last 15 hrs".  He smiled and said, good answer.



I was quite surprised at how helpful and nice the "enemy" FAA guy was.  He was literally the nicest guy you could ever hope to meet!

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Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 12:01 pm Post subject: Getting a replacement airworthiness

Leonard,

Have not been following this whole thread so I apologize if this has already

been covered. You mentioned that you got a new airworthiness certificate,

did you change the builders name on your data plate to your name or did it

remain as the original builder's name?



Lloyd Cudnohufsky

Model 5 Rebuild 912ul IVO IFA

Northern Mi.



JetPilot wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Leonard,

 

 What was the damage to the Avid that your rebuilt ?  Would you say

rebuilding a wrecked plane took longer / was harder than building a new
	


plane ?

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 Mike


	




She was a basket case... I could have built the new kit faster than the

repairs.. 



The good news is , I finally got the FAA inspector to come down and look at

the plane.  He stated that the reason he wanted to look at the plane was to

determine it was the same one that had been wrecked.  It has been common

practice to swap data plates from wrecked planes to another to make a flying

aircraft... this is not really legal and they are trying to crack down on

it.  Once I had the inspector in the garage he only spent about 20 minutes

there, flipped through the book I put together showing all the photos from

how I found the plane to the finished product.  He said the documentation

was outstanding, glanced over the plane for about 3 minutes then handed me

the new airworthiness.  He asked if i had flown the plane yet.... well the

picture on the front of the book he had in his hand, was me staning in from

of the plane out on the lake.  I did what every good person should do at

that point.... lied like a mofo.  I said, "no sir, I have not flown the

plane, I have just!

  done an extended break in on the engine for the last 15 hrs".  He smiled

and said, good answer.



I was quite surprised at how helpful and nice the "enemy" FAA guy was.  He

was literally the nicest guy you could ever hope to meet!

 



Checked by AVG. 

11:34 AM

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akflyer

Joined: 07 May 2007
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Location: Soldotna AK

Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 12:14 pm Post subject: Re: Getting a replacement airworthiness

 	  7suds(at)Chartermi.net wrote: 	
		  Leonard,

Have not been following this whole thread so I apologize if this has already

been covered. You mentioned that you got a new airworthiness certificate,

did you change the builders name on your data plate to your name or did it

remain as the original builder's name?



Lloyd Cudnohufsky

Model 5 Rebuild 912ul IVO IFA

Northern Mi.

	




I should have been more clear, it is a REPLACEMENT airworthiness cert.  It is just lilke the original and has the original builders name, but it now has an R in the # to denote it as a replacement.



As a side note.  The inspector told me to make a copy of it and keep on file so it would be easier to replace if need be in the future, however, he said an exact copy is illeagla to make.  You must enlarge or shrink it when you copy it.

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Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:23 pm Post subject: Getting a replacement airworthiness

If your copyright laws are anything like ours it must be enlarged a minimum

of 1.5 times.



I'm not sure about reduction but 60% seems to stick in my mind



Noel



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