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clemwehner
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 Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:20 am Post subject: battery location |
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We need some opinions on where to plan for mounting the battery on a KF-IV-1050 with a 912UL.
The configuration up front includes an oil cooler, the 3-bladed wooden GSC prop, and Grove spring gear. The cockpit is the usual. The aft end is standard except for the the homebuilder's special tailwheel, which is 1 lb heavier than the original Matco gear tailwheel.
What's the likely location for the battery, behind the firewall or behind the seat?
We're just getting to the wiring, so we need ideas from you guys who have done this.
thanks to all,
Clem & Chris Wehner
Oklahoma
KF-IV-912, finally finishing (after 18 years).
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:43 am Post subject: battery location |
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Mount it behind the seat.
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
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From: clemwehner(at)sbcglobal.net
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: battery location
Date: Wed C 11 Feb 2009 10:17:27 -0600
We need some opinions on where to plan for mounting the battery on a KF-IV-1050 with a 912UL.
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clint_bazzill(at)hotmail.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:44 am Post subject: battery location |
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WHY?????
Clint N9666T
From: henrysfork1(at)msn.com
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: battery location
Date: Wed C 11 Feb 2009 09:43:36 -0800
.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass body.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} Mount it behind the seat.
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
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From: clemwehner(at)sbcglobal.net
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: battery location
Date: Wed C 11 Feb 2009 10:17:27 -0600
We need some opinions on where to plan for mounting the battery on a KF-IV-1050 with a 912UL.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:04 am Post subject: battery location |
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<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]--> Why not?????
Dee Young
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N345DY
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:47 am Post subject: battery location |
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1 Very difficult to get to in a model IV.
2 Long runs to starter.
3 Standard battery (example 14-BS standard Motorcycle battery) 10 1/2 lbs
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Float Flyr
Joined: 19 Jul 2006
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Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:33 pm Post subject: battery location |
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The battery is a fairly heavy piece... Check your W&B then put the battery where it will do the most good.
One thing though I never recommend placing the battery right on top of the tail wheel. I like to keep the end as light as possible.
I’m installing a 912 myself right now and a few of the changes I’m may make are things like moving the header tank behind the seat, moving the battery back and possibly putting the oil reservoir behind the dash. Before any of this is done I’ll weigh the plane so I can make the decisions.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of clemwehner
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:47 PM
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: battery location
We need some opinions on where to plan for mounting the battery on a KF-IV-1050 with a 912UL.
The configuration up front includes an oil cooler, the 3-bladed wooden GSC prop, and Grove spring gear. The cockpit is the usual. The aft end is standard except for the the homebuilder's special tailwheel, which is 1 lb heavier than the original Matco gear tailwheel.
What's the likely location for the battery, behind the firewall or behind the seat?
We're just getting to the wiring, so we need ideas from you guys who have done this.
thanks to all,
Clem & Chris Wehner
Oklahoma
KF-IV-912, finally finishing (after 18 years).
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henrysfork1(at)msn.com
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:09 pm Post subject: battery location |
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I have no panel tank C just two wing tanks and a header tank which is located behind the seat. I tried to install the battery (Odyssey PC925) behind the panel but it was to heavy. I put it behind the seat and the W&B was good. Yes its a long run for the starter but a good cable takes care of it and access to the battery is simple if needed. This may not be well suited for some but it works for me and maybe it can help someone else.
Dee Young
N345DY
KFM 112
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From: clint_bazzill(at)hotmail.com
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: battery location
Date: Wed C 11 Feb 2009 19:46:36 +0000
.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass body.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} 1 Very difficult to get to in a model IV.
2 Long runs to starter.
3 Standard battery (example 14-BS standard Motorcycle battery) 10 1/2 lbs.
4 Area behind seat in 1 C2 C and 3's are a lot different then the model IV's.
5 The mfg origional position was on pilots side behind firewall.
Clint N9666T over 1400 hours 912ULS
Swap out batteres every 2 years.
From: henrysfork1(at)msn.com
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: battery location
Date: Wed C 11 Feb 2009 11:55:58 -0700
.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding-right:0px;padding-left:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-top:0px;} .ExternalClass BODY.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} Why not?????
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
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clint_bazzill(at)hotmail.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:48 pm Post subject: battery location |
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You are not familar with the Model IV C it is very different then the older ones.
Clint
From: henrysfork1(at)msn.com
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: battery location
Date: Wed C 11 Feb 2009 13:08:37 -0800
.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass body.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} I have no panel tank C just two wing tanks and a header tank which is located behind the seat. I tried to install the battery (Odyssey PC925) behind the panel but it was to heavy. I put it behind the seat and the W&B was good. Yes its a long run for the starter but a good cable takes care of it and access to the battery is simple if needed. This may not be well suited for some but it works for me and maybe it can help someone else.
Dee Young
N345DY
KFM 112
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From: clint_bazzill(at)hotmail.com
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: battery location
Date: Wed C 11 Feb 2009 19:46:36 +0000
.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass body.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} 1 Very difficult to get to in a model IV.
2 Long runs to starter.
3 Standard battery (example 14-BS standard Motorcycle battery) 10 1/2 lbs.
4 Area behind seat in 1 C2 C and 3's are a lot different then the model IV's.
5 The mfg origional position was on pilots side behind firewall.
Clint N9666T over 1400 hours 912ULS
Swap out batteres every 2 years.
From: henrysfork1(at)msn.com
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: battery location
Date: Wed C 11 Feb 2009 11:55:58 -0700
.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding-right:0px;padding-left:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-top:0px;} .ExternalClass BODY.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} Why not?????
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:10 pm Post subject: battery location |
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OK
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From: clint_bazzill(at)hotmail.com
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: battery location
Date: Wed C 11 Feb 2009 21:47:45 +0000
.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass body.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} You are not familar with the Model IV C it is very different then the older ones.
Clint
From: henrysfork1(at)msn.com
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: battery location
Date: Wed C 11 Feb 2009 13:08:37 -0800
.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass body.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} I have no panel tank C just two wing tanks and a header tank which is located behind the seat. I tried to install the battery (Odyssey PC925) behind the panel but it was to heavy. I put it behind the seat and the W&B was good. Yes its a long run for the starter but a good cable takes care of it and access to the battery is simple if needed. This may not be well suited for some but it works for me and maybe it can help someone else.
Dee Young
N345DY
KFM 112
Do not archive
From: clint_bazzill(at)hotmail.com
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: battery location
Date: Wed C 11 Feb 2009 19:46:36 +0000
.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass body.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} 1 Very difficult to get to in a model IV.
2 Long runs to starter.
3 Standard battery (example 14-BS standard Motorcycle battery) 10 1/2 lbs.
4 Area behind seat in 1 C2 C and 3's are a lot different then the model IV's.
5 The mfg origional position was on pilots side behind firewall.
Clint N9666T over 1400 hours 912ULS
Swap out batteres every 2 years.
From: henrysfork1(at)msn.com
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: battery location
Date: Wed C 11 Feb 2009 11:55:58 -0700
.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding-right:0px;padding-left:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-top:0px;} .ExternalClass BODY.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} Why not?????
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
Do not archive
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Lynn Matteson
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 3:08 pm Post subject: battery location |
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Hot oil in the same "room" with you....is that wise?
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
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On Feb 11, 2009, at 3:29 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
| Quote: | The battery is a fairly heavy piece... Check your W&B then put the
battery where it will do the most good.
One thing though I never recommend placing the battery right on top
of the tail wheel. I like to keep the end as light as possible.
I’m installing a 912 myself right now and a few of the changes I’m
may make are things like moving the header tank behind the seat,
moving the battery back and possibly putting the oil reservoir
behind the dash. Before any of this is done I’ll weigh the plane
so I can make the decisions.
Noel
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clint_bazzill(at)hotmail.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 3:22 pm Post subject: battery location |
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Now that you have my intrest C why in the world are you using a 24 lb battery to run a KFM 112 engine in a Model II Kitfox. Thats like putting a golf cart battery in a Cessna.
Clint
From: henrysfork1(at)msn.com
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: battery location
Date: Wed C 11 Feb 2009 14:09:51 -0800
.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass body.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} OK
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From: clint_bazzill(at)hotmail.com
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: battery location
Date: Wed C 11 Feb 2009 21:47:45 +0000
.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass body.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} You are not familar with the Model IV C it is very different then the older ones.
Clint
From: henrysfork1(at)msn.com
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: battery location
Date: Wed C 11 Feb 2009 13:08:37 -0800
.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass body.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} I have no panel tank C just two wing tanks and a header tank which is located behind the seat. I tried to install the battery (Odyssey PC925) behind the panel but it was to heavy. I put it behind the seat and the W&B was good. Yes its a long run for the starter but a good cable takes care of it and access to the battery is simple if needed. This may not be well suited for some but it works for me and maybe it can help someone else.
Dee Young
N345DY
KFM 112
Do not archive
From: clint_bazzill(at)hotmail.com
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: battery location
Date: Wed C 11 Feb 2009 19:46:36 +0000
.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass body.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} 1 Very difficult to get to in a model IV.
2 Long runs to starter.
3 Standard battery (example 14-BS standard Motorcycle battery) 10 1/2 lbs.
4 Area behind seat in 1 C2 C and 3's are a lot different then the model IV's.
5 The mfg origional position was on pilots side behind firewall.
Clint N9666T over 1400 hours 912ULS
Swap out batteres every 2 years.
From: henrysfork1(at)msn.com
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: battery location
Date: Wed C 11 Feb 2009 11:55:58 -0700
.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding-right:0px;padding-left:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-top:0px;} .ExternalClass BODY.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} Why not?????
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
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Float Flyr
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 7:02 pm Post subject: battery location |
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Good point lynn! There probably won't be much to gain by putting the tank
back there... After all we are only talking about maybe nine inches.
Another slight change I'm considering is putting the oil cooler to the side
in front of the rad instead of up by the prop. I'll have
to see about the hoses required etc. Anything I can get out of the nose and
behind the CG will go there if necessary.
Noel
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