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aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 6:08 pm Post subject: Kolb history

After seeing Ralph's Firestar I began to wonder about the evolution of both the Firestar and the Mk III. Both of mine have what I call the ducktail fuselage cage, that being there is a weldment that extends aft of the uprights that connect the boom to the rear spar. Ralph's Firestar doesn't have it yet by his accounting and what history I know of mine his seems to be the older of the two. It seems unlikely that an early Firestar and an early Mk III would both have this if it were some type of owner created modification. Anybody out there know the history of this? Was it an option for builders who wanted to enclose their fuselage or was it a feature that was dropped from production at some point?Thanks for any info,Rickdo not archive [quote][b]

flykolb(at)pa.net
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Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 6:25 pm Post subject: Kolb history

Hi Rick,  

   

The original FS had the fairing structure you described: it was made of ¼” steel tubing and faired the back end of the cage. (The original FS also had the rear cage completely covered with fabric.)  

   

The next FireStar was the KXP which had the rear cage partially covered: just the bottom half and the back end still had the ¼” fairing structure to fair the fabric.  

   

The next FireStar was the FS2 which had the second seat.  This is were the confusion tends to occur because the single seat version of the FS2 became labeled as the FS1, and this gets confused with the original FS and the KXP since there are all 1 seaters.  Neither the FS2 or 1 had the fairing tubes.  

   

Each of the above FireStars gained weight from the predecessor, so the original FS was the lightest of all and my recollection is that they weighed less than 300 lb. as we built them.  At one point we installed a 277 Rotax on a FS and it came in under 254 lb. (I think it was a KXP.)  So these earlier FS were lighter.  But individual weights could vary quite a bit depending upon how the FS was equipped and covered.  

   

Some owners of the original FS removed the rear cage covering completely – or it was never installed to begin with.  I suspect that some in making this modification would have removed the ¼” steel tubing, as it would no longer have any function.  

   

Hope this helps  

   

Dennis  

   

   

         

  

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After seeing Ralph's Firestar I began to wonder about the evolution of both the Firestar and the Mk III. Both of mine have what I call the ducktail fuselage cage, that being there is a weldment that extends aft of the uprights that connect the boom to the rear spar. Ralph's Firestar doesn't have it yet by his accounting and what history I know of mine his seems to be the older of the two. It seems unlikely that an early Firestar and an early Mk III would both have this if it were some type of owner created modification. Anybody out there know the history of this? Was it an option for builders who wanted to enclose their fuselage or was it a feature that was dropped from production at some point?

 

 Thanks for any info,

 Rick

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Ralph B

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Location: Mound Minnesota

Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 6:40 pm Post subject: Re: Kolb history

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		  After seeing Ralph's Firestar I began to wonder about the evolution of both the Firestar and the Mk III. Both of mine have what I call the ducktail fuselage cage, that being there is a weldment that extends aft of the uprights that connect the boom to the rear spar. Ralph's Firestar doesn't have it yet by his accounting and what history I know of mine his seems to be the older of the two. It seems unlikely that an early Firestar and an early Mk III would both have this if it were some type of owner created modification. Anybody out there know the history of this? Was it an option for builders who wanted to enclose their fuselage or was it a feature that was dropped from production at some point?Thanks for any info,Rickdo not archive 	




Rick, I removed the "duck-tail" steel bracing from my Original Firestar because I wanted to be able to remove the tank and replace the fuel lines easily. It saved weight and didn't seem to increase the drag as it cruises at 60mph at 5000 rpm with the 447. When I built it in 1986, I used a Dremel cutting wheel to saw off the steel weldments. It cut through like butter.



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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 4:54 pm Post subject: Re: Kolb history

Dennis, do you recall the last FS cage serial numbers out of Phoenixville? I am curious as mine is FS-705 delivered around Jan, 1999. I have wondered if it was one of the last.

Regards,

Kip

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zeprep251(at)aol.com
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 8:24 pm Post subject: Kolb history

Kip,

   Ordered my FS in Dec 1998,it came from Phoenixville,in January of 1999,F-1274 stamped on the rear of the motor support tube.

         G.Aman

 

   

 

   

 

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Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:58 pm Post subject: Re: Kolb history

G.Aman, I was thinking of the aircraft serial number which was FS-705. The stamped cage number is 12XX as I recall. I'll have to note it next time I am at the airport...

Kip

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zeprep251(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:02 am Post subject: Kolb history

Kip,

   I really missed it this time.I recorded the F1274 as the serial no.on all the paperwork for the registration process.Does Kolb include a serial no. on any of the paperwork I received with the kit?

           Thanks G. Aman

 

   

 

   

 

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slyck(at)frontiernet.net
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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:26 am Post subject: Kolb history

Serial numbers for experimental aircraft are arbitrary.  You can use anything you want butit would be best to check FAA records to see if you are using a duplicate.

My MkIII is M1060 which was created from an unused gap in a common sequence of pre-existing numbers.

The only place you will find it on the plane is the dataplate.

BB



On 15, Feb 2009, at 11:58 AM, zeprep251(at)aol.com (zeprep251(at)aol.com) wrote:

[quote] Kip,

   I really missed it this time.I recorded the F1274 as the serial no.on all the paperwork for the registration process.Does Kolb include a serial no. on any of the paperwork I received with the kit?

           Thanks G. Aman

 

  

 

  

 

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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:38 am Post subject: Kolb history

Bob:

  

 Mine is M3-011, number 11 off the  line.

  

 And you are correct.  There is no other serial  number on my airframe except what I engraved on the data plate.

  

 john h

 mkIII

  

  

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		      My MkIII is M1060 which was created from    an unused gap in a common sequence of pre-existing numbers.

   The only place you will find it on the plane is the dataplate.

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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:07 pm Post subject: Re: Kolb history

On my bill of sale, and confirmed by the nice lady on the phone at Kolb aircraft (Mrs. Kolb?) in 1998 the serial # is FS-705 with the cage number being different...

Kip

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