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jtaddington(at)verizon.ne
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:26 pm Post subject: Amazing video

That is a good video and that is what the new leaders in this country are going to do there dead level best to do here.  

I got an email that had a clip that said “A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.” Sigmund Freud.  

I have not seen gun control work in any city or country.  

Jim Addington  

         

  

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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:54 pm Post subject: Amazing video

Amen!

  

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tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.n
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:33 am Post subject: Amazing video

I just received this from a friend.

Can this be confirmed by our friends down under?

Tylor Hall

 	  Quote: 	
		  Australian Gun Law Update 

Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts 



From:   Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia 



Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the now available data from Down Under. It has now been one year (12 months) since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program cos ting Australia  taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. 



The first year results are now available: 



Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent; 



Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent; 



Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent); 



In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent as compared with the last one year period when private ownership of a firearm was legal. 



(NB: the law-abiding citizens did turn in their personal firearms, the criminal element did not and thus criminals in Australia still possess their guns.) 



While data for the 25 years preceding the confiscation of privately owned guns showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months as criminals now are assured their victims will be unarmed. 



There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home. 



Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns.' 



This story of well intentioned government intervention in the rights of lawful individuals to own and possess firearms won't be seen in the mainstream US media or on the American evening news. If President Obama advocates a similar confiscation in the US, there will not be any reporting any of this to you. 



But, the Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens. 



Americans may want to take note before it's too late! 



FORWARD TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST. 



DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE SILENT MAJORITY. 



BE A PARTICIPANT IN THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO DOESN'T WANT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED IN AUSTRALIA HAPPEN IN THE US !

	
On Jan 29, 2009, at 10:47 PM, dongirod wrote:

[quote]Amen!

 

Don

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moe-rosspistons(at)hotmai
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:28 am Post subject: Amazing video

Tyler,

  

 Thanks for posting this.  I had  planed to, but was having a hard time finding it in my computer.  Enjoyed  having lunch with you.

  

 Regards,

  

 Moe

  



  From: Tylor Hall (tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net) 

 Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:25 AM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)  

 Subject: Re: FW: Amazing video

 



  I just received this from a friend.

 Can this be confirmed by our friends down under?

 Tylor Hall

 



   	  Quote: 	
		                               Australian Gun Law Update 

Here's a thought to warm some of your          hearts 



From:            Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia 



Hi Yanks, I          thought you all would like to see the now available data from Down          Under. It has now been one year (12 months) since gun owners in          Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal          firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program cos ting          Australia  taxpayers more than $500 million          dollars. 



The first year results are now          available: 



Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2          percent; 



Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6          percent; 



Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent          (yes, 44 percent); 



In the state of Victoria alone,          homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent as compared with the last          one year period when private ownership of a firearm was          legal. 



(NB: the law-abiding citizens did turn in their          personal firearms, the criminal element did not and thus criminals in          Australia still possess their guns.) 



While data for the 25          years preceding the confiscation of privately owned guns showed a steady          decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically          upward in the past 12 months as criminals now are assured their victims          will be unarmed. 



There has also been a dramatic increase in          break-ins and assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at          home. 



Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how          public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense          was expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of          guns.' 



This story of well intentioned government          intervention in the rights of lawful individuals to own and possess          firearms won't be seen in the mainstream US media or on the American          evening news. If President Obama advocates a similar confiscation in the          US, there will not be any reporting any of this to          you. 



But, the Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns          in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes,          gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding          citizens. 



Americans may want to take note before it's too          late! 



FORWARD          TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST. 



DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE          SILENT MAJORITY. 



BE A PARTICIPANT IN THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO          DOESN'T WANT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED IN AUSTRALIA HAPPEN IN THE US          !

	
On Jan 29, 2009,  at 10:47 PM, dongirod wrote:

 [quote]      Amen!

    

   Don

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rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 1:30 am Post subject: Amazing video

Hi Folks,

 

 Caution...this email is a fake. The gun control laws that are mentioned in fact were introduced in 1997 (11 years ago) after a massacre that killed 17 people.

 

 I cannot vouch for the figures quoted but would confirm that this was an absolutely ‘over the top’ reaction to a very unfortunate incident. The cost to tax payers is probably close, as is the estimate of number of weapons destroyed.

 

 The incident was committed by a lone screwball who targeted a couple of tourist buses and café in Tasmania.

 

 And so the more important question relates to how we can rub out screwballs in our society before they take their 5 seconds of limelight.

 

 Cheers from Oz

 

 Russell

 

 

 

 On 31/1/09 3:46 AM, "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> wrote:

 

 [quote]Tyler,

  

 Thanks for posting this.  I had planed to, but was having a hard time finding it in my computer.  Enjoyed having lunch with you.

  

 Regards,

  

 Moe

 

 From: Tylor Hall <mailto:tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> (tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net)  

 Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:25 AM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com 

 Subject: Re: FW: Amazing video

 

 I just received this from a friend.

 Can this be confirmed by our friends down under?

 Tylor Hall

 

  	  Quote: 	
		       

   Australian Gun Law Update 

 Here's a thought to warm some of your  hearts 

 

 From:    Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia 

 

 Hi Yanks, I  thought you all would like to see the now available data from Down  Under. It has now been one year (12 months) since gun owners in  Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal  firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program cos ting  Australia  taxpayers more than $500 million  dollars. 

 

 The first year results are now  available: 

 

 Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2  percent; 

 

 Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6  percent; 

 

 Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent  (yes, 44 percent); 

 

 In the state of Victoria alone,  homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent as compared with the last  one year period when private ownership of a firearm was  legal. 

 

 (NB: the law-abiding citizens did turn in their  personal firearms, the criminal element did not and thus criminals in  Australia still possess their guns.) 

 

 While data for the 25  years preceding the confiscation of privately owned guns showed a steady  decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically  upward in the past 12 months as criminals now are assured their victims  will be unarmed. 

 

 There has also been a dramatic increase in  break-ins and assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at  home. 

 

 Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how  public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense  was expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of  guns.' 

 

 This story of well intentioned government  intervention in the rights of lawful individuals to own and possess  firearms won't be seen in the mainstream US media or on the American  evening news. If President Obama advocates a similar confiscation in the  US, there will not be any reporting any of this to  you. 

 

 But, the Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns  in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes,  gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding  citizens. 

 

 Americans may want to take note before it's too  late! 

 

 FORWARD  TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST. 

 

 DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE  SILENT MAJORITY. 

 

 BE A PARTICIPANT IN THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO  DOESN'T WANT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED IN AUSTRALIA HAPPEN IN THE US  ! 	
 

 On Jan 29, 2009, at 10:47 PM, dongirod wrote:

 

 [quote] 

  

 Amen!

  

  

  

 Don

  

 [quote] 

 ---

tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.n
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 9:12 am Post subject: Amazing video

After I posted that, I thought I should have done a fact check on it.There is a lot of stuff going around that is not true and we need to check it out.

Back to helping Moe convert his 680FP and Tom's 680FLP to low pressure hydraulics.

In light of the cost of operation, I am back to thinking about a 680E.

Moe and I had lunch the other day.  Good to see him again.

Tylor Hall

On Jan 31, 2009, at 2:20 AM, Russell Legg wrote:

[quote] Hi Folks,

 

 Caution...this email is a fake. The gun control laws that are mentioned in fact were introduced in 1997 (11 years ago) after a massacre that killed 17 people.

 

 I cannot vouch for the figures quoted but would confirm that this was an absolutely ‘over the top’ reaction to a very unfortunate incident. The cost to tax payers is probably close, as is the estimate of number of weapons destroyed.

 

 The incident was committed by a lone screwball who targeted a couple of tourist buses and café in Tasmania.

 

 And so the more important question relates to how we can rub out screwballs in our society before they take their 5 seconds of limelight.

 

 Cheers from Oz

 

 Russell

 

 

 

 On 31/1/09 3:46 AM, "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com (moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:

 

 [quote]Tyler,

  

 Thanks for posting this.  I had planed to, but was having a hard time finding it in my computer.  Enjoyed having lunch with you.

  

 Regards,

  

 Moe

 

 From: Tylor Hall <mailto:tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> (tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net)  

 Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:25 AM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com) 

 Subject: Re: FW: Amazing video

 

 I just received this from a friend.

 Can this be confirmed by our friends down under?

 Tylor Hall

 

  	  Quote: 	
		      

   Australian Gun Law Update 

 Here's a thought to warm some of your  hearts 

 

 From:    Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia 

 

 Hi Yanks, I  thought you all would like to see the now available data from Down  Under. It has now been one year (12 months) since gun owners in  Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal  firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program cos ting  Australia  taxpayers more than $500 million  dollars. 

 

 The first year results are now  available: 

 

 Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2  percent; 

 

 Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6  percent; 

 

 Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent  (yes, 44 percent); 

 

 In the state of Victoria alone,  homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent as compared with the last  one year period when private ownership of a firearm was  legal. 

 

 (NB: the law-abiding citizens did turn in their  personal firearms, the criminal element did not and thus criminals in  Australia still possess their guns.) 

 

 While data for the 25  years preceding the confiscation of privately owned guns showed a steady  decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically  upward in the past 12 months as criminals now are assured their victims  will be unarmed. 

 

 There has also been a dramatic increase in  break-ins and assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at  home. 

 

 Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how  public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense  was expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of  guns.' 

 

 This story of well intentioned government  intervention in the rights of lawful individuals to own and possess  firearms won't be seen in the mainstream US media or on the American  evening news. If President Obama advocates a similar confiscation in the  US, there will not be any reporting any of this to  you. 

 

 But, the Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns  in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes,  gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding  citizens. 

 

 Americans may want to take note before it's too  late! 

 

 FORWARD  TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST. 

 

 DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE  SILENT MAJORITY. 

 

 BE A PARTICIPANT IN THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO  DOESN'T WANT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED IN AUSTRALIA HAPPEN IN THE US  ! 	


 On Jan 29, 2009, at 10:47 PM, dongirod wrote:

 

 [quote] 

  

 Amen!

  

  

  

 Don

  

 [quote] 

 ---

moe-rosspistons(at)hotmai
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 9:14 am Post subject: Amazing video

Russell,

  

 Do you have any idea of how long it took  for the armed robbery rate to accelerate to the approximate number quoted?   This email is not new.  I seem to remember seeing it quite some time  ago.  Is it possible that it was originally written about nine or ten years  ago?

  

 Cheers!

  

 Moe

 Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal  Award

  

  



  From: Russell Legg (rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au) 

 Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 1:20 AM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)  

 Subject: Re: FW: Amazing video

 



Hi Folks,



Caution...this email is a fake. The gun  control laws that are mentioned in fact were introduced in 1997 (11 years ago)  after a massacre that killed 17 people.



I cannot vouch for the figures  quoted but would confirm that this was an absolutely ‘over the top’ reaction to  a very unfortunate incident. The cost to tax payers is probably close, as is the  estimate of number of weapons destroyed.



The incident was committed by a  lone screwball who targeted a couple of tourist buses and café in  Tasmania.



And so the more important question relates to how we can rub  out screwballs in our society before they take their 5 seconds of  limelight.



Cheers from Oz



Russell



On 31/1/09 3:46  AM, "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>  wrote:



  	  Quote: 	
		  Tyler,



Thanks for posting this.     I had planed to, but was having a hard time finding it in my computer.     Enjoyed having lunch with    you.



Regards,



Moe



From: Tylor    Hall <mailto:tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> (tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net)     

Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:25 AM

To:    commander-list(at)matronics.com 

Subject: Re: FW:    Amazing video



I just received this from a friend.

Can this be    confirmed by our friends down under?

Tylor Hall



    	  Quote: 	
		          

 Australian      Gun Law Update 

Here's a thought to warm some of      your  hearts 



From:    Ed      Chenel, A police officer in Australia 



Hi Yanks, I  thought you      all would like to see the now available data from Down  Under. It has      now been one year (12 months) since gun owners in  Australia were      forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal  firearms to be      destroyed by our own government, a program cos ting  Australia       taxpayers more than $500 million  dollars. 



The first year      results are now  available: 



Australia-wide, homicides are up      6.2  percent; 



Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6       percent; 



Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent       (yes, 44 percent); 



In the state of Victoria alone,       homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent as compared with the      last  one year period when private ownership of a firearm was       legal. 



(NB: the law-abiding citizens did turn in their       personal firearms, the criminal element did not and thus criminals in       Australia still possess their guns.) 



While data for the 25       years preceding the confiscation of privately owned guns showed a      steady  decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed      drastically  upward in the past 12 months as criminals now are assured      their victims  will be unarmed. 



There has also been a dramatic      increase in  break-ins and assaults of the elderly, while the resident      is at  home. 



Australian politicians are at a loss to explain      how  public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and      expense  was expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of       guns.' 



This story of well intentioned government       intervention in the rights of lawful individuals to own and possess       firearms won't be seen in the mainstream US media or on the American       evening news. If President Obama advocates a similar confiscation in      the  US, there will not be any reporting any of this to  you.      



But, the Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns  in the      hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes,  gun-control      laws affect only the law-abiding  citizens. 



Americans may want      to take note before it's too  late!      



FORWARD  TO EVERYONE      ON YOUR EMAIL LIST. 



DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE  SILENT MAJORITY.      



BE A PARTICIPANT IN THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO  DOESN'T WANT TO SEE      WHAT HAPPENED IN AUSTRALIA HAPPEN IN THE US  !      	
   

On Jan    29, 2009, at 10:47 PM, dongirod wrote:



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Amen!



 

 

Don



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From: Jim Addington <mailto:jtaddington(at)verizon.net> (jtaddington(at)verizon.net)        

 

To:        commander-list(at)matronics.com

 

Sent: Thursday, January        29, 2009 11:16  PM

 

Subject: RE: Commander-List:        FW: Amazing         video

 



 

 

That is a good  video and that is what the        new leaders in this country are going to do there  dead level best to        do here.



I got an email that  had a clip that said “A        fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and  emotional        maturity.” Sigmund Freud.



I have not seen gun  control work in any city        or country.



Jim  Addington



         



                     



From:        owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] ([email]owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com][/email])        On Behalf Of nico css

Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009        7:59  PM

To: 'art la combe'

Subject:        FW: Amazing  video



 

 

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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 10:28 am Post subject: Amazing video

Tyler,

  

 I suspect that the operating cost of a  680F (not pressurized) and a 680E should be close to the same, with the  exception of the additional fuel costs for the "F".  The "F" (flat nacelle)  should be faster than the "E" (bathtub nacelle) but I have no idea if it will  come close to offsetting the additional fuel burn (square the horsepower to  increase the speed?).

  

 Regards,

  

 Moe

 N680RR

 Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal  Award

  



  From: Tylor Hall (tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net) 

 Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:00 AM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)  

 Subject: Re: FW: Amazing video

 



After I posted that, I thought I should have done a fact check on  it.  There is a lot of stuff going around that is not true and we need to check  it out.

 



 Back to helping Moe convert his 680FP and Tom's 680FLP to low pressure  hydraulics.

 



 In light of the cost of operation, I am back to thinking about a  680E.

 Moe and I had lunch the other day.  Good to see him again.

 



 Tylor Hall

 



   On Jan 31, 2009, at 2:20 AM, Russell Legg wrote:

 [quote]   Hi    Folks,



Caution...this email is a fake. The gun control laws that are    mentioned in fact were introduced in 1997 (11 years ago) after a massacre that    killed 17 people.



I cannot vouch for the figures quoted but would    confirm that this was an absolutely ‘over the top’ reaction to a very    unfortunate incident. The cost to tax payers is probably close, as is the    estimate of number of weapons destroyed.



The incident was committed by    a lone screwball who targeted a couple of tourist buses and café in    Tasmania.



And so the more important question relates to how we can rub    out screwballs in our society before they take their 5 seconds of    limelight.



Cheers from Oz



Russell



On 31/1/09 3:46    AM, "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com (moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com)>    wrote:



    	  Quote: 	
		  Tyler,



Thanks for posting this.       I had planed to, but was having a hard time finding it in my computer.       Enjoyed having lunch with      you.



Regards,



Moe



From: Tylor      Hall <mailto:tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> (tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net)       

Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:25 AM

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)      

Subject: Re: FW: Amazing video



I just      received this from a friend.

Can this be confirmed by our friends down      under?

Tylor Hall



      	  Quote: 	
		            

 Australian Gun Law Update        

Here's a thought to warm some of your         hearts 



From:    Ed Chenel, A        police officer in Australia 



Hi Yanks, I  thought you all        would like to see the now available data from Down  Under. It has now        been one year (12 months) since gun owners in  Australia were forced        by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal  firearms to be destroyed        by our own government, a program cos ting  Australia  taxpayers        more than $500 million  dollars. 



The first year results are        now  available: 



Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2         percent; 



Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6  percent;        



Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent  (yes, 44        percent); 



In the state of Victoria alone,  homicides with        firearms are now up 300 percent as compared with the last  one year        period when private ownership of a firearm was  legal. 



(NB:        the law-abiding citizens did turn in their  personal firearms, the        criminal element did not and thus criminals in  Australia still        possess their guns.) 



While data for the 25  years preceding        the confiscation of privately owned guns showed a steady  decrease in        armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically  upward in        the past 12 months as criminals now are assured their victims  will        be unarmed. 



There has also been a dramatic increase in         break-ins and assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at         home. 



Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how         public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and        expense  was expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of         guns.' 



This story of well intentioned government         intervention in the rights of lawful individuals to own and possess         firearms won't be seen in the mainstream US media or on the American         evening news. If President Obama advocates a similar confiscation in        the  US, there will not be any reporting any of this to  you.        



But, the Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns  in        the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes,         gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding  citizens.        



Americans may want to take note before it's too  late!        



FORWARD  TO        EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST. 



DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE  SILENT        MAJORITY. 



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That is a good  video and that is what the          new leaders in this country are going to do there  dead level best          to do here.



I got an email that  had a          clip that said “A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and           emotional maturity.” Sigmund Freud.



I have not seen gun  control          work in any city or country.



Jim           Addington



           



                           

         



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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:57 am Post subject: Amazing video

Russell

  

 Any idea on how the violent crimes as a percentage  have done in the last 11 years?  Up, down, sideways, or does your  equivalent of the FBI post such crime figures like they do in the  U.S.?

  

 Don

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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 4:54 pm Post subject: Amazing video

G’day Don,

 

 I will dig around and see what turns up.

 

 Cheers

 

 Russell

 

 

 On 1/2/09 5:17 AM, "dongirod" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:

 

 [quote]Russell

  

 Any idea on how the violent crimes as a percentage have done in the last 11 years?  Up, down, sideways, or does your equivalent of the FBI post such crime figures like they do in the U.S.?

  

 Don

 [quote] 

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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 4:54 pm Post subject: Amazing video

G¹day Moe,



Yes you are right...this email or something close was circulated in 1998 or

1999 and it made reference to an increased incidence of armed robbery et al

tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.n
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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 6:30 pm Post subject: Amazing video

Moe,I have been told that the 680E will burn 30-32 GPH at 170-190 kts.  I do not need to get there is blinding speed.

I also need to go high as you know.  When I had Dan Farmers 500B for a year, she burned 30 GPH.

Taking off of Pagosa Springs at 7600' in the summer was a concern with a single engine ceiling of 8500'.

It gets hot here in New Mexico.  

Tylor Hall

On Jan 31, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Moe-rosspistons wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		    Tyler,

  

 I suspect that the operating cost of a 680F (not pressurized) and a 680E should be close to the same, with the exception of the additional fuel costs for the "F".  The "F" (flat nacelle) should be faster than the "E" (bathtub nacelle) but I have no idea if it will come close to offsetting the additional fuel burn (square the horsepower to increase the speed?).

  

 Regards,

  

 Moe

 N680RR

 Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award

  



  From: Tylor Hall (tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net) 

 Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:00 AM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com) 

 Subject: Re: FW: Amazing video

 



After I posted that, I thought I should have done a fact check on it. There is a lot of stuff going around that is not true and we need to check it out.

 



 Back to helping Moe convert his 680FP and Tom's 680FLP to low pressure hydraulics.

 



 In light of the cost of operation, I am back to thinking about a 680E.

 Moe and I had lunch the other day.  Good to see him again.

 



 Tylor Hall

 



   On Jan 31, 2009, at 2:20 AM, Russell Legg wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		    Hi   Folks,



Caution...this email is a fake. The gun control laws that are   mentioned in fact were introduced in 1997 (11 years ago) after a massacre that   killed 17 people.



I cannot vouch for the figures quoted but would   confirm that this was an absolutely ‘over the top’ reaction to a very   unfortunate incident. The cost to tax payers is probably close, as is the   estimate of number of weapons destroyed.



The incident was committed by   a lone screwball who targeted a couple of tourist buses and café in   Tasmania.



And so the more important question relates to how we can rub   out screwballs in our society before they take their 5 seconds of   limelight.



Cheers from Oz



Russell



On 31/1/09 3:46   AM, "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com (moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com)>   wrote:



   	  Quote: 	
		  Tyler,



Thanks for posting this.      I had planed to, but was having a hard time finding it in my computer.      Enjoyed having lunch with     you.



Regards,



Moe



From: Tylor     Hall <mailto:tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> (tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net)      

Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:25 AM

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)     

Subject: Re: FW: Amazing video



I just     received this from a friend.

Can this be confirmed by our friends down     under?

Tylor Hall



     	  Quote: 	
		     

 Australian Gun Law Update       

Here's a thought to warm some of your        hearts 



From:    Ed Chenel, A       police officer in Australia 



Hi Yanks, I  thought you all       would like to see the now available data from Down  Under. It has now       been one year (12 months) since gun owners in  Australia were forced       by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal  firearms to be destroyed       by our own government, a program cos ting  Australia  taxpayers       more than $500 million  dollars. 



The first year results are       now  available: 



Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2        percent; 



Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6  percent;       



Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent  (yes, 44       percent); 



In the state of Victoria alone,  homicides with       firearms are now up 300 percent as compared with the last  one year       period when private ownership of a firearm was  legal. 



(NB:       the law-abiding citizens did turn in their  personal firearms, the       criminal element did not and thus criminals in  Australia still       possess their guns.) 



While data for the 25  years preceding       the confiscation of privately owned guns showed a steady  decrease in       armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically  upward in       the past 12 months as criminals now are assured their victims  will       be unarmed. 



There has also been a dramatic increase in        break-ins and assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at        home. 



Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how        public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and       expense  was expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of        guns.' 



This story of well intentioned government        intervention in the rights of lawful individuals to own and possess        firearms won't be seen in the mainstream US media or on the American        evening news. If President Obama advocates a similar confiscation in       the  US, there will not be any reporting any of this to  you.       



But, the Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns  in       the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes,        gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding  citizens.       



Americans may want to take note before it's too  late!       



FORWARD  TO       EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST. 



DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE  SILENT       MAJORITY. 



BE A PARTICIPANT IN THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO  DOESN'T       WANT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED IN AUSTRALIA HAPPEN IN THE US  !       	


On     Jan 29, 2009, at 10:47 PM, dongirod wrote:



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Amen!



 

 

Don



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To: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)

 

Sent:         Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:16  PM

 

Subject:         RE: FW: Amazing          video

 



 

 

That is a good  video and that is what the         new leaders in this country are going to do there  dead level best         to do here.



I got an email that  had a         clip that said “A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and          emotional maturity.” Sigmund Freud.



I have not seen gun  control         work in any city or country.



Jim          Addington



  



                        

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Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 5:48 am Post subject: Amazing video

oh yeah - I always plan early morning departures in Colorado with my 500B!

if it is hot in the afternoon, we just spend another night in the cool

mountain country 



bobf



On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>wrote:



[quote] Moe,I have been told that the 680E will burn 30-32 GPH at 170-190 kts.  I

 do not need to get there is blinding speed.

 I also need to go high as you know.  When I had Dan Farmers 500B for a

 year, she burned 30 GPH.

 Taking off of Pagosa Springs at 7600' in the summer was a concern with a

 single engine ceiling of 8500'.

 It gets hot here in New Mexico.



 Tylor Hall



 On Jan 31, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Moe-rosspistons wrote:



  *Tyler,*

 **

 *I suspect that the operating cost of a 680F (not pressurized) and a 680E

 should be close to the same, with the exception of the additional fuel costs

 for the "F".  The "F" (flat nacelle) should be faster than the "E" (bathtub

 nacelle) but I have no idea if it will come close to offsetting the

 additional fuel burn (square the horsepower to increase the speed?).*

 **

 *Regards,*

 **

 *Moe*

 *N680RR*

 *Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award*



  *From:* Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>

 *Sent:* Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:00 AM

 *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com

 *Subject:* Re: FW: Amazing video



 After I posted that, I thought I should have done a fact check on it. There

 is a lot of stuff going around that is not true and we need to check it out.



 Back to helping Moe convert his 680FP and Tom's 680FLP to low pressure

 hydraulics.



 In light of the cost of operation, I am back to thinking about a 680E.

 Moe and I had lunch the other day.  Good to see him again.



 Tylor Hall



  On Jan 31, 2009, at 2:20 AM, Russell Legg wrote:



  Hi Folks,



 Caution...this email is a fake. The gun control laws that are mentioned in

 fact were introduced in 1997 (11 years ago) after a massacre that killed 17

 people.



 I cannot vouch for the figures quoted but would confirm that this was an

 absolutely 'over the top' reaction to a very unfortunate incident. The cost

 to tax payers is probably close, as is the estimate of number of weapons

 destroyed.



 The incident was committed by a lone screwball who targeted a couple of

 tourist buses and café in Tasmania.



 And so the more important question relates to how we can rub out screwballs

 in our society before they take their 5 seconds of limelight.



 Cheers from Oz



 Russell



 On 31/1/09 3:46 AM, "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> wrote:



 *Tyler,

 *

 *Thanks for posting this.  I had planed to, but was having a hard time

 finding it in my computer.  Enjoyed having lunch with you.

 *

 *Regards,

 *

 *Moe

 *

 *From:* Tylor Hall <mailto:tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net><tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>

 *Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2009 8:25 AM

 *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com

 *Subject:* Re: FW: Amazing video



 I just received this from a friend.

 Can this be confirmed by our friends down under?

 Tylor Hall



  *Australian Gun Law Update

 **Here's a thought to warm some of your  hearts*



 From:    Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia



 Hi Yanks, I  thought you all would like to see the now available data from

 Down  Under. It has now been one year (12 months) since gun owners in

  Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal  firearms

 to be destroyed by our own government, a program cos ting  Australia

  taxpayers more than $500 million  dollars.



 The first year results are now  available:



 Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2  percent;



 Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6  percent;



 Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent  (yes, 44 percent);



 In the state of Victoria alone,  homicides with firearms are now up 300

 percent as compared with the last  one year period when private ownership of

 a firearm was  legal.



 (NB: the law-abiding citizens did turn in their  personal firearms, the

 criminal element did not and thus criminals in  Australia still possess

 their guns.)



 While data for the 25  years preceding the confiscation of privately owned

 guns showed a steady  decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has

 changed drastically  upward in the past 12 months as criminals now are

 assured their victims  will be unarmed.



 There has also been a dramatic increase in  break-ins and assaults of the

 elderly, while the resident is at  home.



 Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how  public safety has

 decreased, after such monumental effort and expense  was expended in

 'successfully ridding Australian society of  guns.'



 This story of well intentioned government  intervention in the rights of

 lawful individuals to own and possess  firearms won't be seen in the

 mainstream US media or on the American  evening news. If President Obama

 advocates a similar confiscation in the  US, there will not be any reporting

 any of this to  you.



 But, the Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns  in the hands of

 honest citizens save lives and property and, yes,  gun-control laws affect

 only the law-abiding  citizens.



 Americans may want to take note before it's too  late!

 *

 FORWARD  TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST.



 DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE  SILENT MAJORITY.



 BE A PARTICIPANT IN THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO  DOESN'T WANT TO SEE WHAT

 HAPPENED IN AUSTRALIA HAPPEN IN THE US  ! *



 On Jan 29, 2009, at 10:47 PM, dongirod wrote:



 Amen!



 Don

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tfisher(at)commandergroup
Guest

Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 6:19 am Post subject: Amazing video

I have low pressure (1,000psi) hydraulics now...I just  want to get rid of that #%&*##$* Skydrol.

 Tom.

 C-GISS

 [quote]   ---

moe-rosspistons(at)hotmai
Guest

Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 8:55 am Post subject: Amazing video

Tom,

  

 Tomorrow I will start experimenting with  the "O" rings to find out if red really does harm the ethylene propylene type  which are used with Skydrol. Hope I can find my durometer, haven't used it  since my top fuel dragster days.....

  

 Regards,

  

 Moe

  

  



  From: Tom Fisher (tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca) 

 Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 6:13 AM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)  

 Subject: Re: FW: Amazing video

 



 I have low pressure (1,000psi) hydraulics now...I just  want to get rid of that #%&*##$* Skydrol.

 Tom.

 C-GISS

 [quote]   ---

yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:02 am Post subject: Amazing video

175kts and 35-38 gph is the reall sory (I have flow triple 2 615hours)  jb

   	  Quote: 	
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moe-rosspistons(at)hotmai
Guest

Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 6:57 am Post subject: Amazing video

JB

  

 What is the TBO on your  engines?

  

 Also, ethylene propylene "O" rings that  are made to be used with Skydrol, most definitely "blow up" when used with 5606  "red" fluid.  I placed one in a small pill container filled with red and  left it for four days.  The ethylene propylene "O" ring increased in  diameter to the size of the pill container. No durometer test was made,  however, what difference does it make when the "O" ring is grossly oversize.   So now we know that "O" rings can't be switched either  way.

  

 Moe Mills

 Proud Holder of the Golden Pedal  Award

  



  From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com (yourtcfg(at)aol.com) 

 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:57 AM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)  

 Subject: Re: FW: Amazing video

 



175kts and 35-38 gph is the reall sory (I have flow triple 2  615hours)  jb

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tfisher(at)commandergroup
Guest

Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 3:03 pm Post subject: Amazing video

I have heard that there is another hydraulic fluid being  developed to replace Skydrol which does not affect the Skydrol "O" rings, not  sure what stage it is at though.

  

 Tom

 C-GISS

 [quote]   ---

yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:03 pm Post subject: Amazing video

1400, but they usually will go 2000.  During the Viet Namm conflict the AF flew GSO-480s in T bones for electronic jamming.  the military TBO was 2000.  I have spoken with Scott at Columbia engines (they overhauled hundreds of those engines) and he confirmed the story was true and said nearly all of the engines made it to TBO.  They were flown daily of course and that probably helped.  jb

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Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:05 pm Post subject: Amazing video

They completely jam the component.  Retract cylinders wont (retract), brake valeve wont (brake) everything completely stops working!!!!  The problem with converting (I am told) is that it takes only a very small amount of reidual skdrol to swell the "O" rings and gum up the works.  jb

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