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recapen(at)earthlink.net
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Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:41 am Post subject: Sample maintenance log entry

For documentation purposes (my own mainly), I would like to put an entry in to my maintenance log to document the calibration of my fuel flow sensor.  Is there a required / suggested format?



My logbook has a "Date of completion" column, "aircraft time in service" column, "description of work performed" column, and "agency&certificate no. work performed/returned to service" column.



I was thinking of something along the lines of:



07Feb2009 3.2hrs Calibrated fuel flow 'K' factor in accordance with AF-3400 user guide V5.5 dtd 30Oct2008 /signature/builder.



I do not yet have the repairman's certificate for this airframe.



Thanks,

Ralph

RV6A N822AR (at) N06 4.7 hrs

g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:36 am Post subject: Sample maintenance log entry

Well, this exercise will require a logbook sign off and since you do not 

have a repairman cert and a pilots license is not acceptable (beyond 

preventive maintenance) then you need to find and A&P to help you out. All 

you need in a logbook entry is date, aircraft/engine/appliance time, 

description of work performed, signature and certificate type. If it is a 

condition inspection then the statement in part 43 applies.



Here is the FAR:

(a) Maintenance record entries. Except as provided in paragraphs (b) and (c) 

of this section, each person who maintains, performs preventive maintenance, 

rebuilds, or alters an aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, propeller, 

appliance, or component part shall make an entry in the maintenance record 

of that equipment containing the following information:



(1) A description (or reference to data acceptable to the Administrator) of 

work performed.



(2) The date of completion of the work performed.



(3) The name of the person performing the work if other than the person 

specified in paragraph (a)(4) of this section.



(4) If the work performed on the aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, 

propeller, appliance, or component part has been performed satisfactorily, 

the signature, certificate number, and kind of certificate held by the 

person approving the work. The signature constitutes the approval for return 

to service only for the work performed.



How you format this info is up to you.



Mike



RV7 550Hrs



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ronlee(at)pcisys.net
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Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:23 am Post subject: Sample maintenance log entry

Frequent posts on this subject elsewhere suggest that the only thing

that you can't do is the condition inspection as the non-builder owner

of an experimental.



Ron Lee

recapen(at)earthlink.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:28 am Post subject: Sample maintenance log entry

I thought that the repairman's cert allowed me to do the annual and being the builder allowed me to do the maintenance.



Time for more research....



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recapen(at)earthlink.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:37 am Post subject: Sample maintenance log entry

Thanks - now onward to the archives - where I should have ventured first!



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Rick Galati

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 91
Location: Lake St. Louis MO.

Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:39 am Post subject: Sample maintenance log entry

Ralph

  

 First off...congratulations!  You were at it for a long time.  You probably don't remember that some years ago I sent you a small piece of .040 aluminum stock in a regular envelope when you were working on your empennage and you balked at the idea of having to buy a sheet of aluminum when you just needed a small piece.  Nice to know that a little piece of .040 now enjoys flying status.

  

 Anyway, log book entries can be a detailed or minimalist as you please. Feel free to sometimes ignore the arbitrary format the logbook manufacturer decided upon. At times, it can be too limiting.  Personally, I find it convenient to use the computer word program to put together most logbook entries, adjusting the size and font of the text as appropriate.  I then print the information and cut and paste it into the logbook.  Doing it that way allows me to edit text, add borders, colors etc. until I am satisfied.  Over the years, I have seen plenty of logbook entries that were sloppy, illegible and/or difficult to decipher. My penmanship is not the greatest and unlike writing the information into the logbook with an ink pen, a printout just makes my logbooks appear neater. Sometimes, I even include a small photograph when detailing a repair such as a time when a rivet popped loose on the  lower cowl hinge and I installed the next larger size rivet to replace it with.  Another time, I included a small photo of the worn out main tires when I replaced them....you get the idea.  Each logbook entry should include the date, time in service and end with your handwritten signature and repairman's certificate number. However you decide to make entries, its a good idea to also note the alternator belt P/N and paint type and colors just in case you have need to recall those exact colors years from now.  

  

 Good luck and enjoy your RV.

  

 Best,

  

 Rick Galati

  

 RV-6A N307R "Darla!" 

 RV-8   N308R

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mrobert569(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:45 am Post subject: Sample maintenance log entry

You are correct.  On an amateur-built aircraft ANYONE may do the maintenance C or major alteration C and sign off the logbook in accordance with the logbook entry requirements of FAR 43.9.  In addition C if it is a major alteration you must follow the procedure stated in the aircraft's operating limitations.  The repairman certificate only is needed to conduct the yearly condition inpsection and sign it off.  Again C this is stated the the aircraft's operating limitations.  If you have any specific questions drop me a line.

  

 Mike Robertson

 Das Fed

 

 

[quote] Date: Tue C 17 Feb 2009 11:26:01 -0500

 From: recapen(at)earthlink.net

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Sample maintenance log entry

 

 --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>

 

 I thought that the repairman's cert allowed me to do the annual and being the builder allowed me to do the maintenance.

 

 Time for more research....

 

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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
Guest

Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:48 am Post subject: Sample maintenance log entry

Ralph E. Capen wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 For documentation purposes (my own mainly), I would like to put an entry in to my maintenance log to document the calibration of my fuel flow sensor.  Is there a required / suggested format?



 My logbook has a "Date of completion" column, "aircraft time in service" column, "description of work performed" column, and "agency&certificate no. work performed/returned to service" column.



 I was thinking of something along the lines of:



 07Feb2009 3.2hrs Calibrated fuel flow 'K' factor in accordance with AF-3400 user guide V5.5 dtd 30Oct2008 /signature/builder.

   

I do not see anything wrong with that.
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   I do not yet have the repairman's certificate for this airframe.

   

I don't think that would ever become an issue ..... but you should work 
	


on getting it.   From my own experience, throughout the life of your 

homebuilt, you'll do things as you want to, not within any strict 

guidelines.  Your logs will become a way to track information both for 

yourself and the next owner ..... so don't forget to identify the 

deletions and additions (the part, serial #, and where it came from, for 

example) so the entries can be specifically identified.

Linn.

do not archive

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		   Thanks,

 Ralph

 RV6A N822AR (at) N06 4.7 hrs

recapen(at)earthlink.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:08 am Post subject: Sample maintenance log entry

Thanks Rick!



That chunk of .040 holds my relocated elevator trim servo and has 4.7 flying hours on it.



Good gouge on the documentation too...



Ralph



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recapen(at)earthlink.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:10 am Post subject: Sample maintenance log entry

Thanks Linn,



I am planning to get the repairman's cert - it just takes a trip to the FSDO/MIDO (or whoever).  I have the paperwork and the DAR's recommendation....it'll happen.



Great info,

Ralph

4.7 hrs - working out a couple of bugs.....



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recapen(at)earthlink.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:12 am Post subject: Sample maintenance log entry

Thanks Mike,



I have downloaded a bunch of the FAR's for documentation in my computer.



So....until I get the repairman's cert (and afterwards - except for annuals) I can sign it off as 'builder'.



Ralph 

4.7 hrs - working off a couple of minor bugs.....



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jsflyrv(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:14 am Post subject: Sample maintenance log entry

Can actually write in his log book any thing he wishes. Only thing he  

can't do is sign off his condition inspecton.



Sent from my iPhone



On Feb 17, 2009, at 7:34 AM, "Michael" <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net> wrote:



[quote] 



 Well, this exercise will require a logbook sign off and since you do  

 not have a repairman cert and a pilots license is not acceptable  

 (beyond preventive maintenance) then you need to find and A&P to  

 help you out. All you need in a logbook entry is date, aircraft/ 

 engine/appliance time, description of work performed, signature and  

 certificate type. If it is a condition inspection then the statement  

 in part 43 applies.



 Here is the FAR:

 (a) Maintenance record entries. Except as provided in paragraphs (b)  

 and (c) of this section, each person who maintains, performs  

 preventive maintenance, rebuilds, or alters an aircraft, airframe,  

 aircraft engine, propeller, appliance, or component part shall make  

 an entry in the maintenance record of that equipment containing the  

 following information:



 (1) A description (or reference to data acceptable to the  

 Administrator) of work performed.



 (2) The date of completion of the work performed.



 (3) The name of the person performing the work if other than the  

 person specified in paragraph (a)(4) of this section.



 (4) If the work performed on the aircraft, airframe, aircraft  

 engine, propeller, appliance, or component part has been performed  

 satisfactorily, the signature, certificate number, and kind of  

 certificate held by the person approving the work. The signature  

 constitutes the approval for return to service only for the work  

 performed.



 How you format this info is up to you.



 Mike



 RV7 550Hrs



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g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:09 am Post subject: Sample maintenance log entry

Ok, my understanding is that once the aircraft has an airworthiness certificate not just ANYONE can do the work. They have to be a certificated person signing the work, builder with his repairman certificate, A&P or preventative maintenance which a pilot's certificate will cover. Experimental only have relief from approved parts and Ads but other than that your ops specs will tell you to maintain like it was a 91 airplane with exception to: "condition being used" instead of annual. There is a misconception that we can do "whatever we want" to our planes but that is not the case. Small items are logbook entries only but anything that constitutes a major change in FAR 21.93 the owner must recomply with FAR 91.319(b) which puts the aircraft back into phase 1 flight testing. If anyone has dealings with the feds like I do on a REGULAR bases (part 135/145) you should see a similar testament.  

   

As far as part 43.9 here is what the FAR says:  

   

If the work performed on the aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, propeller, appliance, or component part has been performed satisfactorily, the signature, certificate number, and kind of certificate held by the person approving the work. The signature constitutes the approval for return to service only for the work performed.   

   

   

There you have it.  

   

Mike  

RV7  

   

   

   

   

   

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sbuc(at)hiwaay.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:42 am Post subject: Sample maintenance log entry

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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
Guest

Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:20 am Post subject: Sample maintenance log entry

Michael wrote:  	  Quote: 	
		                     

Ok, my understanding is that once the aircraft has an airworthiness certificate not just ANYONE can do the work.   

 	
 Wrong understanding.

  	  Quote: 	
		        

 They have to be a certificated person signing the work, builder with his repairman certificate, A&P or preventative maintenance which a pilot's certificate will cover. Experimental only have relief from approved parts and Ads but other than that your ops specs will tell you to maintain like it was a 91 airplane with exception to: "condition being used" instead of annual. There is a misconception that we can do "whatever we want" to our planes but that is not the case. Small items are logbook entries only but anything that constitutes a major change in FAR 21.93 the owner must recomply with FAR 91.319(b) which puts the aircraft back into phase 1 flight testing. If anyone has dealings with the feds like I do on a REGULAR bases (part 135/145) you should see a similar testament.   

 	
 Part 43 applies to certificated aircraft, which our homebuilts aren't.  As a homebuilder, you can completely ignore part 43 and build your airplane any way you want.  All you have to do is convince the DAR that the 'contraption' won't kill you or anyone on the ground.

 

 There is something, somewhere, that says after any major alteration (undefined, in this case) then it must be inspected (DAR again) and the plane put back into phase 1 testing.

 

 As to the repairmans certificate .... if you have the certificate FOR THAT ONE PARTICULAR PLANE then you can do the conditional inspection.  Otherwise, any A&P (DOES NOT HAVE TO BE AN AI) can perform that inspection and sign it off.

  	  Quote: 	
		        

    

As far as part 43.9 here is what the FAR says:   

    

If the work performed on the aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, propeller, appliance, or component part has been performed satisfactorily, the signature, certificate number, and kind of certificate held by the person approving the work.   

 	
 The CERTIFICATE NUMBER appears on your repairmans certificate.  	  Quote: 	
		        

 The signature constitutes the approval for return to service only for the work performed.   

 	
 Also true. 

   	  Quote: 	
		        

    

There you have it.   

 	
 Correctly now, I think.

 Linn

 [quote]      

    

Mike   

RV7   

    

    

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n1cxo320(at)salidaco.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:50 am Post subject: Sample maintenance log entry

Michael, Your understanding is not correct. ANYONE,  even a three year old child, can do maintenance on an experimental aircraft. The  only thing requiring a 'certificate' is for the annual condition inspection.  Major changes, as you point out, do require a return to phase 1 operation in  accordance with your operating limitations. The older restrictions would require  prior approval but the newer ones just require the log book entry after  satisfactory operation for the (typical) 5-hours of phase 1  operation.

  

 As to ADs - if there is an AD on a specific part  that you have in your plane, say a propeller or a starter, etc, then the ADs do  apply. Oher than that unless the AD is specifically aimed at you exact aircraft,  

ADs do not apply with the exception pointed above.

  

 A pilot's certificate doesn't specifically cover or  grant any authority regarding maintenance on an experimental aircraft.  Again, your 3-year kid can do the work. The possession of a pilot's license is  not a factor.

  

 But on an experimental aircraft you CAN "do  anything you want"  - only comply with your operating limitations, and make  the required log book entries, if any.

  

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 [quote]   From:    Michael (g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net)    

   To: rv-list(at)matronics.com (rv-list(at)matronics.com) 

   Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:06    AM

   Subject: RE: Sample maintenance    log entry

   



      

Ok, my understanding is that once the aircraft has an    airworthiness certificate not just ANYONE can do the work. They have to be a    certificated person signing the work, builder with his repairman certificate,    A&P or preventative maintenance which a pilot's certificate will cover.    Experimental only have relief from approved parts and Ads but other than that    your ops specs will tell you to maintain like it was a 91 airplane with    exception to: "condition being used" instead of annual. There is a    misconception that we can do "whatever we want" to our planes but that is not    the case. Small items are logbook entries only but anything that constitutes a    major change in FAR 21.93 the owner must recomply with FAR 91.319(b) which    puts the aircraft back into phase 1 flight testing. If anyone has dealings    with the feds like I do on a REGULAR bases (part 135/145) you should see a    similar testament.   

    

As far as part 43.9 here is what the FAR    says:   

    

If the work performed on the aircraft, airframe,    aircraft engine, propeller, appliance, or component part has been performed    satisfactorily, the signature, certificate    number, and kind of certificate held by the person    approving the work. The signature constitutes the approval for return to    service only for the work performed.    

    

    

There you have it.   

    

Mike   

RV7   

    

    

    

    

    

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g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 7:09 pm Post subject: Sample maintenance log entry

Sam,



Well done, my understanding was incorrect, I just read FAR43 and there it

is.......thanks for the clarification.



Mike



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g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 7:35 pm Post subject: Sample maintenance log entry

Well, guys I just read my Operation limitations and it says “This aircraft MUST be maintained in accordance with the requirements of title 14, code of federal regulations, Part 43.” So much for part 43 not applying to me……. Does any one else have this statement in there op limitations? I new my understanding came from my local FSDO when the Operation Limitations were cut. Any thoughts?  

   

Mike  

   

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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
Guest

Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 7:52 pm Post subject: Sample maintenance log entry

Well, maybe we can get Mike Robertson back on this thread.  His reply below just indicated part 43 for logbook entry requirements.  I'll check my Pitts tomorrow.

 Linn

 

 Michael wrote:  	  Quote: 	
		                     

Well, guys I just read my Operation limitations and it says “This aircraft MUST be maintained in accordance with the requirements of title 14, code of federal regulations, Part 43.” So much for part 43 not applying to me……. Does any one else have this statement in there op limitations? I new my understanding came from my local FSDO when the Operation Limitations were cut. Any thoughts?   

    

Mike   

 	
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-----Original Message-----     

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		  From: Mike Robertson <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com> (mrobert569(at)hotmail.com)     

Sent: Feb 17, 2009 11:43 AM     

To: rv list <rv-list(at)matronics.com> (rv-list(at)matronics.com)     

Subject: RE: Sample maintenance log entry     

     

     

You are correct.  On an amateur-built aircraft ANYONE may do the maintenance, or major alteration, and sign off the logbook in accordance with the logbook entry requirements of FAR 43.9.  In addition, if it is a major alteration you must follow the procedure stated in the aircraft's operating limitations.  The repairman certificate only is needed to conduct the yearly condition inpsection and sign it off.  Again, this is stated the the aircraft's operating limitations.  If you have any specific questions drop me a line.     

     

      

     

Mike Robertson     

     

Das Fed     

   	
   

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Kellym

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1705
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:14 pm Post subject: Sample maintenance log entry

Not entirely true. Transponder/encoder biennial inspections also require 

appropriate license.



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 Anyone may legally do *any* work on an experimental aircraft (only exception



 is pitot-static certs), repairman's certificate or A&P are only needed for 

 condition inspection.



 Sam Buchanan 





   


	


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