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Hello,
Well just cleaned out the bank buying a yak 55m with a prop
strike(only 24 yrs old).It has a 3 blade whirlwind and they
want 6600 to fix it.Does anyone have a old 2 blade laying
around? I could rent or buy? to ferry the plane home. I have
3000+hrs and 500+ in pitts so it will be safe if i can just
rent one to get it home.Also in need of a Engine mount leg
if anyone has one laying around.
Thanks,
Chris Cox
Aerial Acquisition
404-697-3069
ccox(at)aerialgroup.net
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richard.goode(at)russiana
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| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:29 am Post subject: Need a prop! |
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To Chris Cox
If you have any sense of self preservation,DO NOT just bolt on a new prop and fly the Yak !!
An estimate of $6600 is indicative of a serious ground-strike,and the engine could well be damaged.
At its very least,you should remove the gearbox,and send it to be stripped and crack -tested,and at the same time check the run-out on the end of the crank-it should not be more than 0.03mm.
We had a UK Sukhoi,where the owner just replaced the prop after a strike,and went on flying.About 3 hours later,when he was taxiing in from an aerobatic sequence,the engine locked solid-a satelite gear in the gearbox had broken up and jammed the whole gearbox.
Even at idle,it broke the engine mount,a couple of instruments etc.Had it been 5 minutes before the engine would certainly have come out in flight.
Richard
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
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| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 6:02 am Post subject: Need a prop! |
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Chris,
Richard is absolutely correct. The fact that you need an engine mount leg tells me that engine took a hit in a worst kind of way. I personally would not trust it on a ferry flight. Not sure where the mount is broken but considering it is welded where the arms support and are mounted to the ring. It is bolted to the fire wall in 4 places. It took some force to break a mount that is for sure. You have no idea what kind of force in the form of a rotational moment that was applied to the gears until you tear down the nose case and check.
Think about it. It is your rosey pink that is going to be sitting behind it on this ferry flight.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:28 AM
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Need a prop!
To Chris Cox
If you have any sense of self preservation,DO NOT just bolt on a new prop and fly the Yak !!
An estimate of $6600 is indicative of a serious ground-strike,and the engine could well be damaged.
At its very least,you should remove the gearbox,and send it to be stripped and crack -tested,and at the same time check the run-out on the end of the crank-it should not be more than 0.03mm.
We had a UK Sukhoi,where the owner just replaced the prop after a strike,and went on flying.About 3 hours later,when he was taxiing in from an aerobatic sequence,the engine locked solid-a satelite gear in the gearbox had broken up and jammed the whole gearbox.
Even at idle,it broke the engine mount,a couple of instruments etc.Had it been 5 minutes before the engine would certainly have come out in flight.
Richard
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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Hello,
Well just cleaned out the bank buying a yak 55m with a prop
strike(only 24 yrs old).It has a 3 blade whirlwind and they
want 6600 to fix it.Does anyone have a old 2 blade laying
around? I could rent or buy? to ferry the plane home. I have
3000+hrs and 500+ in pitts so it will be safe if i can just
rent one to get it home.Also in need of a Engine mount leg
if anyone has one laying around.
Thanks,
Chris Cox
Aerial Acquisition
404-697-3069
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| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 6:29 am Post subject: Need a prop! |
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We are dialing the crank for sure before the flight
I have talked with several people here in the us about it
We plan on doing an Iran when we get it home
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On Feb 21, 2009, at 8:58 AM, "Roger Kemp MD" <viperdoc(at)mindspring.com (viperdoc(at)mindspring.com)> wrote:
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Chris,
Richard is absolutely correct. The fact that you need an engine mount leg tells me that engine took a hit in a worst kind of way. I personally would not trust it on a ferry flight. Not sure where the mount is broken but considering it is welded where the arms support and are mounted to the ring. It is bolted to the fire wall in 4 places. It took some force to break a mount that is for sure. You have no idea what kind of force in the form of a rotational moment that was applied to the gears until you tear down the nose case and check.
Think about it. It is your rosey pink that is going to be sitting behind it on this ferry flight.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:28 AM
To: [url=mailto:yak-list(at)matronics.com]yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]
Subject: Re: Need a prop!
To Chris Cox
If you have any sense of self preservation,DO NOT just bolt on a new prop and fly the Yak !!
An estimate of $6600 is indicative of a serious ground-strike,and the engine could well be damaged.
At its very least,you should remove the gearbox,and send it to be stripped and crack -tested,and at the same time check the run-out on the end of the crank-it should not be more than 0.03mm.
We had a UK Sukhoi,where the owner just replaced the prop after a strike,and went on flying.About 3 hours later,when he was taxiing in from an aerobatic sequence,the engine locked solid-a satelite gear in the gearbox had broken up and jammed the whole gearbox.
Even at idle,it broke the engine mount,a couple of instruments etc.Had it been 5 minutes before the engine would certainly have come out in flight.
Richard
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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richard.goode(at)russiana
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| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 6:57 am Post subject: Need a prop! |
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Chris-when you say "the crank" I assume you do not mean the propshaft flange,as you might do with a Lycoming-that is irelevant with a geared engine.
Also,you have no way of knowing what damage there might be in the gearbox,and if the original accident broke an engine mount,it was so severe that internal damage is a reasonable possibility.
The manufacturer's strict instructions are that ANY ground strike must then have,at a minimum,a gearbox check.
In the end,it is not only your neck that could be affected,it is also our insurance premiums and the reputation of these Russian aircraft!!
Richard
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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ccox(at)aerialgroup.net
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| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 7:03 am Post subject: Need a prop! |
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The reason it's 6600 is that it's an older whirlwind
They will not fix one blade they want to put 3
New blades in
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 21, 2009, at 8:58 AM, "Roger Kemp MD" <viperdoc(at)mindspring.com (viperdoc(at)mindspring.com)> wrote:
[quote]
Chris,
Richard is absolutely correct. The fact that you need an engine mount leg tells me that engine took a hit in a worst kind of way. I personally would not trust it on a ferry flight. Not sure where the mount is broken but considering it is welded where the arms support and are mounted to the ring. It is bolted to the fire wall in 4 places. It took some force to break a mount that is for sure. You have no idea what kind of force in the form of a rotational moment that was applied to the gears until you tear down the nose case and check.
Think about it. It is your rosey pink that is going to be sitting behind it on this ferry flight.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:28 AM
To: [url=mailto:yak-list(at)matronics.com]yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]
Subject: Re: Need a prop!
To Chris Cox
If you have any sense of self preservation,DO NOT just bolt on a new prop and fly the Yak !!
An estimate of $6600 is indicative of a serious ground-strike,and the engine could well be damaged.
At its very least,you should remove the gearbox,and send it to be stripped and crack -tested,and at the same time check the run-out on the end of the crank-it should not be more than 0.03mm.
We had a UK Sukhoi,where the owner just replaced the prop after a strike,and went on flying.About 3 hours later,when he was taxiing in from an aerobatic sequence,the engine locked solid-a satelite gear in the gearbox had broken up and jammed the whole gearbox.
Even at idle,it broke the engine mount,a couple of instruments etc.Had it been 5 minutes before the engine would certainly have come out in flight.
Richard
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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ccox(at)aerialgroup.net
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| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 7:03 am Post subject: Need a prop! |
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It won't effect your insurance I don't have insurance
As I paid cash for the plane.
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 21, 2009, at 9:56 AM, "Richard Goode" <richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com (richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com)> wrote:
[quote] Chris-when you say "the crank" I assume you do not mean the propshaft flange,as you might do with a Lycoming-that is irelevant with a geared engine.
Also,you have no way of knowing what damage there might be in the gearbox,and if the original accident broke an engine mount,it was so severe that internal damage is a reasonable possibility.
The manufacturer's strict instructions are that ANY ground strike must then have,at a minimum,a gearbox check.
In the end,it is not only your neck that could be affected,it is also our insurance premiums and the reputation of these Russian aircraft!!
Richard
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:53 am Post subject: Need a prop! |
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Chris should you get the engine started and it doesn't make manifold 80+ pressure at max throttle and 72 % power, the gear has sheared that turns the blower. We flew this aircraft but it never made full power and didn't run right at full power, had the blower moved probably would have sent the rest of the gear teeth through the engine. Just sharing my experience
From: Chris <ccox(at)aerialgroup.net>
To: "yak-list(at)matronics.com" <yak-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 9:59:30 AM
Subject: Re: Need a prop!
The reason it's 6600 is that it's an older whirlwind
They will not fix one blade they want to put 3
New blades in
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 21, 2009, at 8:58 AM, "Roger Kemp MD" <viperdoc(at)mindspring.com (viperdoc(at)mindspring.com)> wrote:
[quote]
Chris,
Richard is absolutely correct. The fact that you need an engine mount leg tells me that engine took a hit in a worst kind of way. I personally would not trust it on a ferry flight. Not sure where the mount is broken but considering it is welded where the arms support and are mounted to the ring. It is bolted to the fire wall in 4 places. It took some force to break a mount that is for sure. You have no idea what kind of force in the form of a rotational moment that was applied to the gears until you tear down the nose case and check.
Think about it. It is your rosey pink that is going to be sitting behind it on this ferry flight.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:28 AM
To: [url=mailto:yak-list(at)matronics.com]yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]
Subject: Re: Need a prop!
To Chris Cox
If you have any sense of self preservation,DO NOT just bolt on a new prop and fly the Yak !!
An estimate of $6600 is indicative of a serious ground-strike,and the engine could well be damaged.
At its very least,you should remove the gearbox,and send it to be stripped and crack -tested,and at the same time check the run-out on the end of the crank-it should not be more than 0.03mm.
We had a UK Sukhoi,where the owner just replaced the prop after a strike,and went on flying.About 3 hours later,when he was taxiing in from an aerobatic sequence,the engine locked solid-a satelite gear in the gearbox had broken up and jammed the whole gearbox.
Even at idle,it broke the engine mount,a couple of instruments etc.Had it been 5 minutes before the engine would certainly have come out in flight.
Richard
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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ccox(at)aerialgroup.net
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| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:31 am Post subject: Need a prop! |
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Bill
You are saying you have flown this aircraft before they hit a taxi light?
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 21, 2009, at 11:52 AM, bill wade <bwade154(at)yahoo.com (bwade154(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
[quote]Chris should you get the engine started and it doesn't make manifold 80+ pressure at max throttle and 72 % power, the gear has sheared that turns the blower. We flew this aircraft but it never made full power and didn't run right at full power, had the blower moved probably would have sent the rest of the gear teeth through the engine. Just sharing my experience
From: Chris <ccox(at)aerialgroup.net (ccox(at)aerialgroup.net)>
To: "yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)" <yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)>
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 9:59:30 AM
Subject: Re: Need a prop!
The reason it's 6600 is that it's an older whirlwind
They will not fix one blade they want to put 3
New blades in
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 21, 2009, at 8:58 AM, "Roger Kemp MD" <[url=mailto:viperdoc(at)mindspring.com]viperdoc(at)mindspring.com (viperdoc(at)mindspring.com)[/url]> wrote:
[quote]
Chris,
Richard is absolutely correct. The fact that you need an engine mount leg tells me that engine took a hit in a worst kind of way. I personally would not trust it on a ferry flight. Not sure where the mount is broken but considering it is welded where the arms support and are mounted to the ring. It is bolted to the fire wall in 4 places. It took some force to break a mount that is for sure. You have no idea what kind of force in the form of a rotational moment that was applied to the gears until you tear down the nose case and check.
Think about it. It is your rosey pink that is going to be sitting behind it on this ferry flight.
Doc
From: [url=mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com]owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com)[/url] [[url=mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com]mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com)[/url]] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:28 AM
To: (yak-list(at)matronics.com)[url=mailto:yak-list(at)matronics.com]yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]
Subject: Re: Need a prop!
To Chris Cox
If you have any sense of self preservation,DO NOT just bolt on a new prop and fly the Yak !!
An estimate of $6600 is indicative of a serious ground-strike,and the engine could well be damaged.
At its very least,you should remove the gearbox,and send it to be stripped and crack -tested,and at the same time check the run-out on the end of the crank-it should not be more than 0.03mm.
We had a UK Sukhoi,where the owner just replaced the prop after a strike,and went on flying.About 3 hours later,when he was taxiing in from an aerobatic sequence,the engine locked solid-a satelite gear in the gearbox had broken up and jammed the whole gearbox.
Even at idle,it broke the engine mount,a couple of instruments etc.Had it been 5 minutes before the engine would certainly have come out in flight.
Richard
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
[/url][url=http://www.russianaeros.com/]www.russianaeros.com
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bwade154(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:14 am Post subject: Need a prop! |
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no Chris I'm saying I flew an M14P that had a prop strike and it had a problem, although not in the propeller gear box. Must have been a big light to tear a mount loose.
From: Chris <ccox(at)aerialgroup.net>
To: "yak-list(at)matronics.com" <yak-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 12:27:58 PM
Subject: Re: Need a prop!
Bill
You are saying you have flown this aircraft before they hit a taxi light?
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 21, 2009, at 11:52 AM, bill wade <bwade154(at)yahoo.com (bwade154(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
[quote] Chris should you get the engine started and it doesn't make manifold 80+ pressure at max throttle and 72 % power, the gear has sheared that turns the blower. We flew this aircraft but it never made full power and didn't run right at full power, had the blower moved probably would have sent the rest of the gear teeth through the engine. Just sharing my experience
From: Chris <ccox(at)aerialgroup.net (ccox(at)aerialgroup.net)>
To: "yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)" <yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)>
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 9:59:30 AM
Subject: Re: Need a prop!
The reason it's 6600 is that it's an older whirlwind
They will not fix one blade they want to put 3
New blades in
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 21, 2009, at 8:58 AM, "Roger Kemp MD" <[url=mailto:viperdoc(at)mindspring.com]viperdoc(at)mindspring.com (viperdoc(at)mindspring.com)[/url]> wrote:
[quote]
Chris,
Richard is absolutely correct. The fact that you need an engine mount leg tells me that engine took a hit in a worst kind of way. I personally would not trust it on a ferry flight. Not sure where the mount is broken but considering it is welded where the arms support and are mounted to the ring. It is bolted to the fire wall in 4 places. It took some force to break a mount that is for sure. You have no idea what kind of force in the form of a rotational moment that was applied to the gears until you tear down the nose case and check.
Think about it. It is your rosey pink that is going to be sitting behind it on this ferry flight.
Doc
From: [url=mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com]owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com)[/url] [[url=mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com]mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com)[/url]] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:28 AM
To: (yak-list(at)matronics.com)[url=mailto:yak-list(at)matronics.com]yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]
Subject: Re: Need a prop!
To Chris Cox
If you have any sense of self preservation,DO NOT just bolt on a new prop and fly the Yak !!
An estimate of $6600 is indicative of a serious ground-strike,and the engine could well be damaged.
At its very least,you should remove the gearbox,and send it to be stripped and crack -tested,and at the same time check the run-out on the end of the crank-it should not be more than 0.03mm.
We had a UK Sukhoi,where the owner just replaced the prop after a strike,and went on flying.About 3 hours later,when he was taxiing in from an aerobatic sequence,the engine locked solid-a satelite gear in the gearbox had broken up and jammed the whole gearbox.
Even at idle,it broke the engine mount,a couple of instruments etc.Had it been 5 minutes before the engine would certainly have come out in flight.
Richard
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
[/url][url=http://www.russianaeros.com/]www.russianaeros.com
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ccox(at)aerialgroup.net
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| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:40 am Post subject: Need a prop! |
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ahhh ok thanks...Well what happened was that it took about 3
inchs of the tip off and it set and it was vibrating so bad
it broke the mount! Im not trying to get out of what i need
to do just trying to get it home so working on it would be
easy.I thanks this group a lot for the insite and sure i
will have more questions.Still looking for a prop to buy/use
to ferry it home.
Chris Cox
Aerial Acquisition
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ccox(at)aerialgroup.net
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wlannon(at)persona.ca
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| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 5:08 pm Post subject: Need a prop! |
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Chris;
I very seriously suggest that you truck it home. In addition to possible
internal engine damage the broken engine mount is an indicator of possible
airframe damage as well.
Walt
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yakplt(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:17 pm Post subject: Need a prop! |
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Mr Cox, it seems rather clear that you fully well intend to ignore the advice of some of the best experts on this list server. You want to ferry this aircraft home, and by God, you are going to do that no matter how many people (who are far more experienced than you) suggest otherwise. You appreciate their well meaning advice, but really let's face it, you made up your mind about this quite some time ago, and you really do not want to be confused with any facts that might change your decision.
As for insurance, ......of course you will not have any. Anyone who knows the true circumstances of this flight would never insure your aircraft to begin with. Of course it is YOUR MONEY... but you honestly can not be sure that should the worst happen, that it will just be you that gets hurt or dies. You clearly could end up killing someone else in the process.
Of course everyone that has read your comments has had these thoughts go through their mind. A wise person would just shake their head and walk away. I am sure a lot of readers have done just that. But you see, anyone on this system will tell you... I have a big mouth. But I also pride myself on doing my very best to tell the truth, no matter where the cards fall. So read the following carefully:
"Life's tough, it's even tougher if you're stupid". - John Wayne
I know in my heart that there is nothing anyone can say that will change your mind . So, I will wish you the best of luck and will honestly say a prayer for you. However, there is not a chance in hell that I will help you find a prop to fly your YAK-55 home and I truly hope everyone else feels the same way. If this upsets you, then so be it. I see no valid reason why any person on this list should help you do something that we all know is less than safe and in fact borders on reckless. Yes, I know I am going to catch a lot of grief for being less than politically correct with this message, but my conscience simply will not allow me to bury my head in the sand on this one.
Best Regards, .
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
From: Walter Lannon <wlannon(at)persona.ca>
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 8:05:36 PM
Subject: Re: Need a prop!
--> Yak-List message posted by: Walter Lannon <wlannon(at)persona.ca (wlannon(at)persona.ca)>
Chris;
I very seriously suggest that you truck it home. In addition to possible
internal engine damage the broken engine mount is an indicator of possible
airframe damage as well.
Walt
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jan.mevis(at)informavia.b
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| Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 12:56 am Post subject: Need a prop! |
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Well, I do agree with Mark’s conclusion.
Here in Europe, I would personally contact the authorities to keep such an aircraft on the ground if I knew of a serious risk.
We cannot afford having accidents with Yak or Sukhoi aircraft, not only for the obvious risk to persons and goods, but because EASA, the new European Aviation Safety Agency, will almost certainly take advantage of such cases to prohibit flying non certified aircraft. Until now Joint Aviation Regulations are implemented per country which offers some “souplesse”, but it is only a matter of time having it all being regulated by Big Brother EASA.
And at last, Aviation Laws in Europe state it very clearly: the pilot has to be CERTAIN of the airworthiness of the aircraft BEFORE flying. When in doubt, it’s a NO FLY.
Jan
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Yak Pilot
Sent: zondag 22 februari 2009 7:14
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Need a prop!
Mr Cox, it seems rather clear that you fully well intend to ignore the advice of some of the best experts on this list server. You want to ferry this aircraft home, and by God, you are going to do that no matter how many people (who are far more experienced than you) suggest otherwise. You appreciate their well meaning advice, but really let's face it, you made up your mind about this quite some time ago, and you really do not want to be confused with any facts that might change your decision.
As for insurance, ......of course you will not have any. Anyone who knows the true circumstances of this flight would never insure your aircraft to begin with. Of course it is YOUR MONEY... but you honestly can not be sure that should the worst happen, that it will just be you that gets hurt or dies. You clearly could end up killing someone else in the process.
Of course everyone that has read your comments has had these thoughts go through their mind. A wise person would just shake their head and walk away. I am sure a lot of readers have done just that. But you see, anyone on this system will tell you... I have a big mouth. But I also pride myself on doing my very best to tell the truth, no matter where the cards fall. So read the following carefully:
"Life's tough, it's even tougher if you're stupid". - John Wayne
I know in my heart that there is nothing anyone can say that will change your mind . So, I will wish you the best of luck and will honestly say a prayer for you. However, there is not a chance in hell that I will help you find a prop to fly your YAK-55 home and I truly hope everyone else feels the same way. If this upsets you, then so be it. I see no valid reason why any person on this list should help you do something that we all know is less than safe and in fact borders on reckless. Yes, I know I am going to catch a lot of grief for being less than politically correct with this message, but my conscience simply will not allow me to bury my head in the sand on this one.
Best Regards, .
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
From: Walter Lannon <wlannon(at)persona.ca>
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 8:05:36 PM
Subject: Re: Need a prop!
--> Yak-List message posted by: Walter Lannon <wlannon(at)persona.ca (wlannon(at)persona.ca)>
Chris;
I very seriously suggest that you truck it home. In addition to possible
internal engine damage the broken engine mount is an indicator of possible
airframe damage as well.
Walt
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ccox(at)aerialgroup.net
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| Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 5:48 am Post subject: Need a prop! |
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Well guys I do have a prop but there was slot of info held
back about the aircraft when I bought it. I thank everyone for the advise
I'm going to pass on this plane and keep looking
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 22, 2009, at 1:14 AM, Yak Pilot <yakplt(at)yahoo.com (yakplt(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
[quote] Mr Cox, it seems rather clear that you fully well intend to ignore the advice of some of the best experts on this list server. You want to ferry this aircraft home, and by God, you are going to do that no matter how many people (who are far more experienced than you) suggest otherwise. You appreciate their well meaning advice, but really let's face it, you made up your mind about this quite some time ago, and you really do not want to be confused with any facts that might change your decision.
As for insurance, ......of course you will not have any. Anyone who knows the true circumstances of this flight would never insure your aircraft to begin with. Of course it is YOUR MONEY... but you honestly can not be sure that should the worst happen, that it will just be you that gets hurt or dies. You clearly could end up killing someone else in the process.
Of course everyone that has read your comments has had these thoughts go through their mind. A wise person would just shake their head and walk away. I am sure a lot of readers have done just that. But you see, anyone on this system will tell you... I have a big mouth. But I also pride myself on doing my very best to tell the truth, no matter where the cards fall. So read the following carefully:
"Life's tough, it's even tougher if you're stupid". - John Wayne
I know in my heart that there is nothing anyone can say that will change your mind . So, I will wish you the best of luck and will honestly say a prayer for you. However, there is not a chance in hell that I will help you find a prop to fly your YAK-55 home and I truly hope everyone else feels the same way. If this upsets you, then so be it. I see no valid reason why any person on this list should help you do something that we all know is less than safe and in fact borders on reckless. Yes, I know I am going to catch a lot of grief for being less than politically correct with this message, but my conscience simply will not allow me to bury my head in the sand on this one.
Best Regards, .
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
From: Walter Lannon <wlannon(at)persona.ca (wlannon(at)persona.ca)>
To: [url=mailto:yak-list(at)matronics.com]yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 8:05:36 PM
Subject: Re: Need a prop!
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vectorwarbirds(at)AOL.COM
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| Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 7:20 am Post subject: Need a prop! |
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Well put Mark, I applaud your Big Mouth, sometimes that is exactly what it takes!!
Bunndini
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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
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| Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 7:23 am Post subject: Need a prop! |
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Young man, good choice. “There are bold pilots. There are old pilots. But there are no old bold pilots.”
doc
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:46 AM
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Need a prop!
Well guys I do have a prop but there was slot of info held
back about the aircraft when I bought it. I thank everyone for the advise
I'm going to pass on this plane and keep looking
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 22, 2009, at 1:14 AM, Yak Pilot <yakplt(at)yahoo.com (yakplt(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
[quote]
Mr Cox, it seems rather clear that you fully well intend to ignore the advice of some of the best experts on this list server. You want to ferry this aircraft home, and by God, you are going to do that no matter how many people (who are far more experienced than you) suggest otherwise. You appreciate their well meaning advice, but really let's face it, you made up your mind about this quite some time ago, and you really do not want to be confused with any facts that might change your decision.
As for insurance, ......of course you will not have any. Anyone who knows the true circumstances of this flight would never insure your aircraft to begin with. Of course it is YOUR MONEY... but you honestly can not be sure that should the worst happen, that it will just be you that gets hurt or dies. You clearly could end up killing someone else in the process.
Of course everyone that has read your comments has had these thoughts go through their mind. A wise person would just shake their head and walk away. I am sure a lot of readers have done just that. But you see, anyone on this system will tell you... I have a big mouth. But I also pride myself on doing my very best to tell the truth, no matter where the cards fall. So read the following carefully:
"Life's tough, it's even tougher if you're stupid". - John Wayne
I know in my heart that there is nothing anyone can say that will change your mind . So, I will wish you the best of luck and will honestly say a prayer for you. However, there is not a chance in hell that I will help you find a prop to fly your YAK-55 home and I truly hope everyone else feels the same way. If this upsets you, then so be it. I see no valid reason why any person on this list should help you do something that we all know is less than safe and in fact borders on reckless. Yes, I know I am going to catch a lot of grief for being less than politically correct with this message, but my conscience simply will not allow me to bury my head in the sand on this one.
Best Regards, .
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
From: Walter Lannon <wlannon(at)persona.ca (wlannon(at)persona.ca)>
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 8:05:36 PM
Subject: Re: Need a prop!
--> Yak-List message posted by: Walter Lannon <wlannon(at)persona.ca (wlannon(at)persona.ca)>
Chris;
I very seriously suggest that you truck it home. In addition to possible
internal engine damage the broken engine mount is an indicator of possible
airframe damage as well.
Walt
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AV8ORJWC
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Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"
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| Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 7:46 am Post subject: Need a prop! |
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Let me make it clear that Chris Cox is no known relation to John Cox.
Quietly watching the old bold pilots in the Pacific NW during a protracted winter. The dialog reminds me of my Three Strike Rule. I have used it several times in thirty years of flying. There must be more to this story.
John Cox "Foto" GIB (sometimes for "Batman" Morley)
Oregon, USA
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Yak Pilot
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:14 PM
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Need a prop!
Mr Cox, it seems rather clear that you fully well intend to ignore the advice of some of the best experts on this list server. You want to ferry this aircraft home, and by God, you are going to do that no matter how many people (who are far more experienced than you) suggest otherwise. You appreciate their well meaning advice, but really let's face it, you made up your mind about this quite some time ago, and you really do not want to be confused with any facts that might change your decision.
As for insurance, ......of course you will not have any. Anyone who knows the true circumstances of this flight would never insure your aircraft to begin with. Of course it is YOUR MONEY... but you honestly can not be sure that should the worst happen, that it will just be you that gets hurt or dies. You clearly could end up killing someone else in the process.
Of course everyone that has read your comments has had these thoughts go through their mind. A wise person would just shake their head and walk away. I am sure a lot of readers have done just that. But you see, anyone on this system will tell you... I have a big mouth. But I also pride myself on doing my very best to tell the truth, no matter where the cards fall. So read the following carefully:
"Life's tough, it's even tougher if you're stupid". - John Wayne
I know in my heart that there is nothing anyone can say that will change your mind . So, I will wish you the best of luck and will honestly say a prayer for you. However, there is not a chance in hell that I will help you find a prop to fly your YAK-55 home and I truly hope everyone else feels the same way. If this upsets you, then so be it. I see no valid reason why any person on this list should help you do something that we all know is less than safe and in fact borders on reckless. Yes, I know I am going to catch a lot of grief for being less than politically correct with this message, but my conscience simply will not allow me to bury my head in the sand on this one.
Best Regards, .
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
From: Walter Lannon <wlannon(at)persona.ca>
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 8:05:36 PM
Subject: Re: Need a prop!
--> Yak-List message posted by: Walter Lannon <wlannon(at)persona.ca (wlannon(at)persona.ca)>
Chris;
I very seriously suggest that you truck it home. In addition to possible
internal engine damage the broken engine mount is an indicator of possible
airframe damage as well.
Walt
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yakplt(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 4:37 pm Post subject: Need a prop! |
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I am very happy to be totally wrong.
Mark
From: Chris <ccox(at)aerialgroup.net>
To: "yak-list(at)matronics.com" <yak-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 8:45:34 AM
Subject: Re: Need a prop!
Well guys I do have a prop but there was slot of info held
back about the aircraft when I bought it. I thank everyone for the advise
I'm going to pass on this plane and keep looking
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 22, 2009, at 1:14 AM, Yak Pilot <yakplt(at)yahoo.com (yakplt(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
[quote] Mr Cox, it seems rather clear that you fully well intend to ignore the advice of some of the best experts on this list server. You want to ferry this aircraft home, and by God, you are going to do that no matter how many people (who are far more experienced than you) suggest otherwise. You appreciate their well meaning advice, but really let's face it, you made up your mind about this quite some time ago, and you really do not want to be confused with any facts that might change your decision.
As for insurance, ......of course you will not have any. Anyone who knows the true circumstances of this flight would never insure your aircraft to begin with. Of course it is YOUR MONEY... but you honestly can not be sure that should the worst happen, that it will just be you that gets hurt or dies. You clearly could end up killing someone else in the process.
Of course everyone that has read your comments has had these thoughts go through their mind. A wise person would just shake their head and walk away. I am sure a lot of readers have done just that. But you see, anyone on this system will tell you... I have a big mouth. But I also pride myself on doing my very best to tell the truth, no matter where the cards fall. So read the following carefully:
"Life's tough, it's even tougher if you're stupid". - John Wayne
I know in my heart that there is nothing anyone can say that will change your mind . So, I will wish you the best of luck and will honestly say a prayer for you. However, there is not a chance in hell that I will help you find a prop to fly your YAK-55 home and I truly hope everyone else feels the same way. If this upsets you, then so be it. I see no valid reason why any person on this list should help you do something that we all know is less than safe and in fact borders on reckless. Yes, I know I am going to catch a lot of grief for being less than politically correct with this message, but my conscience simply will not allow me to bury my head in the sand on this one.
Best Regards, .
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
From: Walter Lannon <wlannon(at)persona.ca (wlannon(at)persona.ca)>
To: [url=mailto:yak-list(at)matronics.com]yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 8:05:36 PM
Subject: Re: Need a prop!
--> Yak-List message posted by: Walter Lannon <[url=mailto:wlannon(at)persona.ca]wlannon(at)persona.ca (wlannon(at)persona.ca)[/url]>
Chris;
I very seriously suggest that you truck it home. In addition to possible
internal engine damage the broken engine mount is an indicator of possible
airframe damage as well.
Walt
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